Poll: Ninja or Samurai

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Necron_warrior

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WHAT!?!

No pirate option?

*reported*

OT: I lieu of a pirate option, Ninjas. I mean, I do like easy money. (well, easy after a while anyway)
 

Lt._nefarious

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Ninja because:

If you can see a ninja they can see you.
If you can't see a ninja you may be seconds away from death.
 

Yopaz

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Abandon4093 said:
Yopaz said:
MetalMagpie said:
Yopaz said:
I might be wrong here, but samurai were warriors right? So there are armies of samurai.
They were mainly warlords. So they led armies. Which is also a problem for a ninja.
Well in that case I stand by my idea that a ninja would win against a single samurai, but ninjas aren't really the warrior kind so they could probably be wiped out if the samurai was in his right element.
They wouldn't be fighting.

A ninja would try to kill a samurai whilst he was asleep, or by poisoning his sake/rice and if he failed he'd run.

That's what ninjas did. They didn't train to fight, they trained to escape bad situations.
The part where I explained why I thought ninjas would win in their own environment is in the part of my original post that was re3moved when it was quoted. To get to the part where I explained why a ninja would win I have to quote a bigger part:

I might be wrong here, but samurai were warriors right? So there are armies of samurai. I think this fight would depends solely on the conditions they were fighting in. One on one and a ninja would kill the samurai and he wouldn't know it
Now I am aware that ninja wouldn't be fighting, but samurai would fight their enemies regardless if they fought back or not. So as I said, ninjas would win if they were in their environment. Correct me if I'm wrong, not if I am quoted out of context.
 

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Not going to vote because I go both ways on this one (... heh). THE best ninja vs. THE best samurai? Hard to tell... Ninjas were developed from local farmers to specifically counter against Samurai who were (at the time) corrupted, often testing their new swords out on local villagers and generally being all-around bullies because they wielded swords, if my history is correct; and they always had the element of surprise, ingenuity, and advanced guerrilla tactics. Samurai, however, were literal walking tanks that could take out anything and everything with strength, speed, and precision. Everything from their armor and weapons to their fighting styles were designed to eliminate their enemies as fast and as efficiently as possible while leaving the battle with as little damage to themselves as possible.
 

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SckizoBoy said:
A Satanic Panda said:
In a fight? Tough to say. Ninjas have the element of surprise on their side, and reflexes that make a Navy SEAL jealous, but the Samurai are well armored, master sword fighters. A ninja's worst nightmare.
A ninja's worst nightmare? Nah, don't think so, a ninja's worst nightmare is a better ninja with a different employer.
Actually you're both wrong, a ninja's worst nightmare is the lone outcast ninja. Nobody racks up a bigger ninja body count than the lone outcast ninja. If you happen to be that lone outcast ninja well then there ain't a god damn thing you fear.
 
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I'd probably go with ninja. After all, they were peasants who were tired of being treated like dirt by the elite, upper class samurai. So they banded together and leveled the playing field with tricks, stealth, and a fighting style build to counter their opponents.

Now that I think about it, that sounds very similar to the methods of a certain anti-bending organization.
 

verdant monkai

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The Ninja would obviously be the better lover. They are more flexible and generally more women are Ninja's than they are Samurai. Ninja's are very flexible = good sex positions.

What.. that's not how everyone else took the post?
 

Yopaz

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Abandon4093 said:
Yopaz said:
Abandon4093 said:
Yopaz said:
MetalMagpie said:
Yopaz said:
I might be wrong here, but samurai were warriors right? So there are armies of samurai.
They were mainly warlords. So they led armies. Which is also a problem for a ninja.
Well in that case I stand by my idea that a ninja would win against a single samurai, but ninjas aren't really the warrior kind so they could probably be wiped out if the samurai was in his right element.
They wouldn't be fighting.

A ninja would try to kill a samurai whilst he was asleep, or by poisoning his sake/rice and if he failed he'd run.

That's what ninjas did. They didn't train to fight, they trained to escape bad situations.
The part where I explained why I thought ninjas would win in their own environment is in the part of my original post that was re3moved when it was quoted. To get to the part where I explained why a ninja would win I have to quote a bigger part:

I might be wrong here, but samurai were warriors right? So there are armies of samurai. I think this fight would depends solely on the conditions they were fighting in. One on one and a ninja would kill the samurai and he wouldn't know it
Now I am aware that ninja wouldn't be fighting, but samurai would fight their enemies regardless if they fought back or not. So as I said, ninjas would win if they were in their environment. Correct me if I'm wrong, not if I am quoted out of context.
What I quoted was your full quote. Nothing out of context.

And the point still stands that they wouldn't be fighting each other. One would be trying to assassinate the other and they'd run away if they failed.

It's like saying who'd win in a boxing match, a heavy weight boxer or an assassin.

They're two very different professions, so pitting them against each other in a straight up fight is completely pointless. That's the kinda shit deadliest warrior does.
No, you did not refer to my full post at all. You replied to one of my posts which was a reply to someone who quoted me out of context. Read my post again. I did not blame you of quoting me out of context. I said you corrected me WHEN I was quoted out of context. The post you quoted was a reply that was in no way meant to be me repeating my original post. It was merely meant to reinforce the conclusion of my original post.

Alsop I never said they would be fighting each other. I said they would be killing each other in their different environments. A samurai using numbers to slaughter all opposition and a ninja killing someone without being noticed.

Please, read my fucking post before you start. I will repeat what I said in my last post: correct me if I'm wrong, not if I've been quoted out of context. Also since you didn't seem to understand i8t the last time, I have been quoted out of context, but you were not the one to do so. You are the one to correct me because I've been quoted out of context.

Still believe I mentioned fighting? Read this part from my last post:
I might be wrong here, but samurai were warriors right? So there are armies of samurai. I think this fight would depends solely on the conditions they were fighting in. One on one and a ninja would kill the samurai and he wouldn't know it
Here is me saying ninjas wouldn't be fighting. Just please, if you still feel like replying to this post, read it before you tell me I'm wrong. I'm begging you.
 

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I have a great deal of interest in all the little tricks and devices ninja had and used to great effect, like shurikens and short swords in long sheaths so that the enemy would underestimate your draw time, but the design of the yoroi is just great. Samurai for me.
 

Yopaz

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Abandon4093 said:
Yopaz said:
As I said, I quoted a full post. Don't believe I used the term 'refer'. And I have read all of your posts.

Saying that X wins on X's terms and Y wins on Y's terms is just asinine. The whole who would win thing is just pointless. A ninja wouldn't fight a samurai so what's the point in asking who'd win? Ninjas assassinate, samurai's fight. You can't compare apples and oranges.

Also

Still believe I mentioned fighting? Read this part from my last post:
I might be wrong here, but samurai were warriors right? So there are armies of samurai. I think this fight would depends solely on the conditions they were fighting in. One on one and a ninja would kill the samurai and he wouldn't know it
Be clearer about what you're saying before you get all pissy.
Thank you. In this post you clearly show that I never mentioned them ACTUALLY fighting. You also managed to blatantly ignore the fact that I did not accuse you of quoting me out of context. I worked really hard to make that clear. You accuse me of not being clear yet this:
I will repeat what I said in my last post: correct me if I'm wrong, not if I've been quoted out of context. Also since you didn't seem to understand it the last time, I have been quoted out of context, but you were not the one to do so.
Is not clear enough for you. Please, is there any way I can make it more clear?
 

Dandark

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Im going to go with Samarai, I just like them a lot better. Im not sure what the exact requirments are but im going with

Ninja= Smart, sneaky, stealthy and deadly efficiant, sneaks into enemy army camp to assasianate the leader.

Samari= Badass who values swords and honour above all else, walks up to enemy camp and challenges the enemy leader to a dual.

I just prefer Samarai characters more.

 

SpAc3man

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Ninja are just Samurai that aren't held back by the shackles of duty towards a clan. They are better spies too. Ninja wins.
 

Yopaz

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Abandon4093 said:
Yopaz said:
Except for the part where you say 'the fight'.

Saying 'the ninja could kill the samurai before he knows what's happening' could mean any number of things. It wasn't clear what you were saying, especially considering you said the fight could go either way.

And the point I'm getting at is that I quoted a full post. If you don't think that's enough context for someone to quote you on you should put qualifiers on the post.
Yes, the part that you quoted included me using the word fight. It also included me explaining that it wouldn't be an actual fight, but a samurai that would try to slaughter ninjas with their numbers and a ninja using stealth and killing the enemy without being noticed.

Seeing as you think I was accusing you for quoting me out of context when I threw in a few sentences explicitly I can understand that you would be unable to see the meaning of a sentence when I used a word that you didn't think fit in. It's hard to remember what you read a second ago, I understand that and believe me, I am really struggling trying to get you to understand both my first post and that the post you originally responded to. Please, give me some hints on how I can make this clear enough.

Also to all those who are confused. My last post was not just the word snip. I have been quoted by someone who doesn't want to make a huge wall of text or because the poster only wants to respond to a small part of a post, so a part of my post has been removed to save you the trouble from reading what you might have possibly read before. Do not think that this post, which is a response to a post that I wrote once that got quoted, is my original post on this thread. If you want to see the full post the easiest way to do this is to click on the blue letters with my name to see the full post.

As you can see, specifying the basics of how a forum works in every post takes a little extra time and I assume most people understand that this is done. However I think I might have to start doing so based on your posts because you prove that not even seasoned forum users can be expected to understand the basics or even something spoken as clearly as I know how.
 

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Samurai, because Seven Samurai is a fantastic movie.

I think Ninja and I just think those guys that got beat up by Daredevil a lot back when Frank Miller was still sane.

On the other hand there was Tenchu, which was a really good game and might almost make me change my vote.
 

Yopaz

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Abandon4093 said:
Yopaz said:
snip because *yawn*
Your condescending attitude does you no favours.

You said

I think this fight would depends solely on the conditions they were fighting in. One on one and a ninja would kill the samurai and he wouldn't know it
That isn't clear enough for you to snark at someone when they assume you're talking about a ninja and a samurai fighting.... It's right fucking there in plain English.

"I think this fight would depends solely on the conditions they were fighting in."

They were fighting in

THEY WERE FIGHTING IN

[HEADING=1]THEY WERE FIGHTING IN[/HEADING]

Saying he'd 'kill a Samurai and he wouldn't know it' is about as vague a qualifier as you could possibly have made it.

Do you mean he would assassinate him? Because that wouldn't be a fight, rendering the first part of your sentence contradictory. Do you mean he'd use trickery in a fight? Do you mean he'd poison him before a fight?

You can't make unclear statements and then get all pissy when someone doesn't read your exact intentions from them..... Especially after you'd said


[HEADING=1]THEY WERE FIGHTING[/HEADING]

One sentence before.

And as I said
Saying that X wins on X's terms and Y wins on Y's terms is just asinine. The whole who would win thing is just pointless. A ninja wouldn't fight a samurai so what's the point in asking who'd win? Ninjas assassinate, samurai's fight. You can't compare apples and oranges.
The whole comparison is retarded.

Also

As you can see, specifying the basics of how a forum works in every post takes a little extra time and I assume most people understand that this is done. However I think I might have to start doing so based on your posts because you prove that not even seasoned forum users can be expected to understand the basics or even something spoken as clearly as I know how.
You see this?

Abandon4093 said:
Yopaz said:
MetalMagpie said:
Yopaz said:
I might be wrong here, but samurai were warriors right? So there are armies of samurai.
They were mainly warlords. So they led armies. Which is also a problem for a ninja.
Well in that case I stand by my idea that a ninja would win against a single samurai, but ninjas aren't really the warrior kind so they could probably be wiped out if the samurai was in his right element.
They wouldn't be fighting.

A ninja would try to kill a samurai whilst he was asleep, or by poisoning his sake/rice and if he failed he'd run.

That's what ninjas did. They didn't train to fight, they trained to escape bad situations.
That was a response to a single and whole comment that has contained within, all the context required for someone to make a reply.


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Yopaz said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, not if I am quoted out of context.
incorrect.

The earlier post had no relevance to what I'd said, as what I said was a reply to one of your posts... and entire one.... irrespective of your earlier post that had been 'quoted out of context.'

Comprende senor?

See, I can be snarky too!
You're right, my condescending attitude here does nothing. I have spent several posts here trying to say that when I used the word fight I didn't mean an actual fight. I have repeated that numerous times in my posts and you don't seem to understand. I really don't think I can be bothered to try to explain this anymore since you're either trolling, unwilling to understand or simply too dense to understand. I don't care which one it is. I just really don't see a reason to explain my posts to someone who wants to ounce on someone for being wrong while not seeing that he didn't understand the posts he was trying to correct.
 

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Because of the fact that I am 6'4", over 300 pounds, and can still sneak up on people without really trying, I go ninja. Every time.
 

Yopaz

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Abandon4093 said:
Yopaz said:
You're right, my condescending attitude here does nothing. I have spent several posts here trying to say that when I used the word fight I didn't mean an actual fight. I have repeated that numerous times in my posts and you don't seem to understand. I really don't think I can be bothered to try to explain this anymore since you're either trolling, unwilling to understand or simply too dense to understand. I don't care which one it is. I just really don't see a reason to explain my posts to someone who wants to ounce on someone for being wrong while not seeing that he didn't understand the posts he was trying to correct.
You know what's ironic, you're claiming that I'm the one who's not understanding what you're saying whilst you're either ignoring what I've said or are
Yopaz said:
simply too dense to understand.
I'll post it again. Do us all a favour and read it before posting another pointless comment.

Pay close attention to the parts where I'm telling you that your original post was unclear. Nothing to do with me not understanding now, everything to do with your incompetence at getting your point across and how that incompetence weakens your footing when you try and act condescending, especially about people taking what you said the wrong way.

It's explained pretty clearly, although you might want to read it a few times... make sure it sinks in.

Abandon4093 said:
Yopaz said:
snip because *yawn*
Your condescending attitude does you no favours.

You said

I think this fight would depends solely on the conditions they were fighting in. One on one and a ninja would kill the samurai and he wouldn't know it
That isn't clear enough for you to snark at someone when they assume you're talking about a ninja and a samurai fighting.... It's right fucking there in plain English.

"I think this fight would depends solely on the conditions they were fighting in."

They were fighting in

THEY WERE FIGHTING IN

[HEADING=1]THEY WERE FIGHTING IN[/HEADING]

Saying he'd 'kill a Samurai and he wouldn't know it' is about as vague a qualifier as you could possibly have made it.

Do you mean he would assassinate him? Because that wouldn't be a fight, rendering the first part of your sentence contradictory. Do you mean he'd use trickery in a fight? Do you mean he'd poison him before a fight?

You can't make unclear statements and then get all pissy when someone doesn't read your exact intentions from them..... Especially after you'd said


[HEADING=1]THEY WERE FIGHTING[/HEADING]

One sentence before.

And as I said
Saying that X wins on X's terms and Y wins on Y's terms is just asinine. The whole who would win thing is just pointless. A ninja wouldn't fight a samurai so what's the point in asking who'd win? Ninjas assassinate, samurai's fight. You can't compare apples and oranges.
The whole comparison is retarded.

Also

As you can see, specifying the basics of how a forum works in every post takes a little extra time and I assume most people understand that this is done. However I think I might have to start doing so based on your posts because you prove that not even seasoned forum users can be expected to understand the basics or even something spoken as clearly as I know how.
You see this?

Abandon4093 said:
Yopaz said:
MetalMagpie said:
Yopaz said:
I might be wrong here, but samurai were warriors right? So there are armies of samurai.
They were mainly warlords. So they led armies. Which is also a problem for a ninja.
Well in that case I stand by my idea that a ninja would win against a single samurai, but ninjas aren't really the warrior kind so they could probably be wiped out if the samurai was in his right element.
They wouldn't be fighting.

A ninja would try to kill a samurai whilst he was asleep, or by poisoning his sake/rice and if he failed he'd run.

That's what ninjas did. They didn't train to fight, they trained to escape bad situations.
That was a response to a single and whole comment that has contained within, all the context required for someone to make a reply.


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Yopaz said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, not if I am quoted out of context.
incorrect.

The earlier post had no relevance to what I'd said, as what I said was a reply to one of your posts... and entire one.... irrespective of your earlier post that had been 'quoted out of context.'

Comprende senor?

See, I can be snarky too!
Sure, I used the word fight incorrectly in my post so you not understanding that is perfectly normal. I can get past that you pounce on me for that. However four posts of me saying in plain English that I did not mean there would be an actual fight should suffice. My first post was vague and poorly worded because I didn't think this discussion was important enough to do the effort of having the correct semantics.

Now before you feel like quoting the part where I used the word fight and repeat that, write it in big blue letters and all that crap. I know I used the word fight. I'm not going to deny that. Also you guessed correctly. I am ignoring the "points" you make because all of your "points" are based on you ignoring my explanation of my original posts.