Poll: One world language... that isn't yours.

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Patrick Dare

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snave said:
No surprise that so many people voted Japanese here... but I kinda question why?

Its got definite advantages over English, don't get me wrong, but its got equal number of siadvantages, biggest of which being it's perpetually in flux. Does anyone who voted for it realise just how many of the youth within Japan are functionally illiterate? No, really. I'm dead serious. Its got to this insane point where the newspapers are increasing kanji use because modern computers mean its easy to, and the youth are sitting there in uni writing exclusively in kana. Too many homophones? Thats easy, grab a word you learnt from your failed English classes and substitute in an approximation. Theres more flux in modern Japanese than there is in English, and English is spoken in how many countries?
I wondered this too. I mean obviously there are a bunch of people who are super into Japan because of anime but speaking from a more pragmatic mindset I think Japanese would be a poor choice. Sure speaking/comprehension may not be any more or less difficult than most languages but learning to read/write is a nightmare. It's not really inherently hard, it's just that there's so damn much to remember it's ridiculous, even native speakers have trouble with it.

Anyways, I chose German because I already know a bit and I like it. However, again, from a more pragmatic stance I'm sure there's something better (or something better could be created). I don't know about Esperanto because I've never heard of it before.
 

Blemontea

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I would say Latin but you didn't have it posted...

So instead Spanish, its easy to learn(ish). Plus we get to torment the rednecks and Racist bastards. MUWHAHAHA!
 

Daughterofether

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japanese because i already speak it.

but more seriously - the majority of these languages dont really deserve a place on the list and would make no sense to use as a world language. take my choice (japanese) for example, sure i'd be ok with it, but really? the language is the native tongue of one country and mere few hundred million people. French is apparently one of the international languages (look at your passport and see what languages it's printed in) despite not being very significant in terms of the number of users nor the significance of those uses.

the actual languages that may deserve a place on this list;

English (If it werent disqualified by the 'not your language' in the title; each day more resources and services change hands as a result of negotiations done in english than any other language, the language of commerce)

Mandarin Chinese (Spoken by more people than any other language. by a large margin.)

Spanish and Portugese are spoken as the national language of more countries

Several european languages might make a claim based on the amount and significance of scientific research published in those languages, including german, french, sweedish and russian.

Esperanto is actually the choice that makes the most sense. As an engineered language it has properties that other languages cannot claim. It is minimalist in vocabulary, consistently logical, designed to be both easy to learn and easy to use to learn other languages.
 

monkey_man

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Serenegoose said:
oh man, Dutch. All kinds of voting for Dutch. I don't know why, but I love that language, and I don't know how to speak it. :(
it's easy! hell, i can teach you!
 

Anarchemitis

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Es wäre am sinnvollsten für mich aufgrund meiner Familiengeschichte zu machen.
Ist es nicht wunderbar?
monkey_man said:
Serenegoose said:
oh man, Dutch. All kinds of voting for Dutch. I don't know why, but I love that language, and I don't know how to speak it. :(
it's easy! hell, i can teach you!
Klaar!
 

smashmaniac64

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bleachigo10 said:
Japanese. I hope to go to Japan someday so learning it would probably be a good idea.
same but its easier said than done, jap is kinda hard to learn because of having 3 main writing languages -_-
 

Akihiko

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Shame Latin isn't on the list. I would have chosen that.

Despite liking the language, Japanese is out of the question purely because it would take ages to become fluent in it.
 

Therumancer

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Squilookle said:
So the world decides to unify everyone under a common language, but doesn't know how to do it. So, they decide everyone must vote for the language they think would be best that isn't their primary language already. That means for most of you English is out. What would you vote for?

Personally I'd vote for Spanish. That language is simply music to my ears.
Good to see a fellow "Stainless Steel Rat" fan (or so I guess with Esperanto being listed).

Yeas ago I did some reading on socio-linguistic studies. The idea being that people's thoughts and speed of thought is affected by the language they first learn. Some languages being capable of much faster, and more detailed dissemination of information than others, and apparently leading to people who think faster and in more detail.

Where that eventually went I had no idea, but I seem to remember that "German" was at the top of the list for lingual efficiency. Apparently it includes a lot more "specialized" words for complicated concepts than other languages, things like the popular "Schaetenfreude" and the like. If I recall it also pointed to all the german scientists, engineers, and bankers which have been a step ahead of most of the world for a long time (or so it seems) as an example.

English was pretty highly ranked for similar reasons, where most of the "Romance" languages like French, Spanish, Italian, etc... were very middle of the road, as was Japanese though it's reliance on tone was considered to have weakened it somewhat.

I seem to remember that the big losers were various Tribal tongues and obscure languages, including some like Cherokee. The biggest loser of major languages was Chinese (and this was before a lot of the current tensions) largely due to the fact that it's written language was not up to what it's verbal component could sometimes achieve. The problem being that "classically" it's not phonetically based, but rather relies on each word having it's own symbol. I seem to also remember the sheer number of dialects of Chinese was mentioned as being staggering, and as they can melt together in some places it can create a giant mess.

That's how I remember things, so no need to argue with me, the conclusions weren't really mine, and I don't remember all the details.

At the time though it made a lot of sense, not so much because of how it influanced individual thought processes, but also the arguement that efficient communication between members of a society can influance how fast and how well that society advances in the long term.

The arguement involving things like how language could have been a contributing factor to why a lot of tribal cultures remained tribal cultures, the quality of life in places like China (which was not always unified) can vary so greatly along with what is availible in any reason, and similar things.

The Egyptians having formed one of the first known systems of language and writing being one of the first majoe civilizations/world powers because of it, and dominated the entire fertile crescent region. They were themselves more or less replaced over times by the Greeks and Romans whose success and rate of advancement could quite probably be tied to more efficient ways of doing the same things.... etc... etc...


At any rate I know how "German is the best language" sounds in light of "World War II" but again, that was apparently the conclusion by my memory.
 

Sn1P3r M98

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German. I'd rather speak Russian but the alphabet is too confusing, and I like the sound of German as well.
 

klaynexas3

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you should've had latin up there. no one speaks it as a main language, and it's the root of most languages, so it'd be a good one that isn't a primary one without being hard to learn
 

Yureina

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Japanese because its the language I know the most of beyond English. Took two years of classes. :eek:
 

RooftopAssassin

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Woodsey said:
German. Always found it a lot easier than French and the words aren't structured in a stupid way ("the car blue").
Le voiture blu. Perfect example. Or when you have to say "French class"- Classe de francais= "Class of French". I like how you can clump words together in German like: Hoechsgeschwindigkeitsbegrenzung = maximum speed limit


I like the way Russian sounds, so I picked that. I was forced to learn Cyrillic in my world history class so it's be easier than most for me.
 

Michjo

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Continuity said:
SageRuffin said:
I say Japanese. I like the way the language sounds. Sure, the sentence structure is highly unorthodox (often going subject -> object -> verb as opposed to subject -> verb -> object like most other languages), but it's really not that hard to learn.

And I second Esperanto. Sure, it may seem like the poor man's Latin, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. :)
Esperanto is no good, too small a vocab, its not meant as a primary language but just as a common secondary language.
Esperanto's vocabulary is not only not too small, it is as least as large as that of the other languages suggested here. The number of ROOTS (or stems, if you like) is relatively small - about 10,000 official + 10,000 unofficial - but you can combine them with almost total freedom to create new words, giving an effective vocabulary of hundreds of thousands of words, most of which you don't have to learn, but can create on the fly.

Esperanto not being a primary language is irrelevant. What matters is this: does Esperanto keep its promise? Namely, can you express yourself as clearly and as richly as in your native language, but at a much lower cost than learning another ethnic language, and does that hold true regardless of your native language? The answer, based on my and other people's experience as Esperanto speakers, is a most definite yes.
 

Michjo

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Mr.Squishy said:
Oh man, I can't decide, most of them are good.
However, I want to object to the notion of Esperanto. That language is an abominiation, an awkward-sounding frankenstein sloppily cobbled together from European languages.
By "abomination, an awkward-sounding Frankenstein sloppily cobbled together from European languages", I suspect very strongly that Mr. Squishy really meant was that he IMAGINES Esperanto to be such. I speak Esperanto, and never have I felt it to be an abomination, or a Frankenstein, or awkward, or sloppy - it feels to me just as natural and seamless as the other languages I speak (French, Arabic, some German and Hebrew).

An excellent example of an ethnic language that, by Mr. Squishy's criteria, would be an "abomination, an awkward-sounding Frankenstein" because it is "sloppily cobbled together from European languages" is English. Yet, it doesn't feel that way. Why? Because everything imported into English has been thoroughly Anglicized, and no one stops to consider the source of they words they use - they just use them. When I use English words like "law", "angst", "giraffe", "John", "shampoo" or "ketchup", it never jumps out at me that they were taken from other languages (French, German, Arabic, Hebrew, Hindi, Malay); I just use them as the English words they now are. You can make any English word SOUND artificial by just saying it over and over again; do that with enough words, and you have the impression the whole language is an artificial mess.

The same holds for Esperanto: everything imported into Esperanto has been thoroughly Esperantized, and when I use Esperanto words, I don't stumble over the fact that they came from this or that language, I just use them as the Esperanto words they are. The result is a seamless whole, just as much so as any other language.
 

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Yankeedoodles said:
Spanish because:
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3. Unlike Esperanto a lot of people already speak Spanish (at least in the Western Hemisphere) so finding people to teach Spanish would be easy.
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The solution to that problem for Esperanto is actually quite simple: have existing teachers of other languages learn Esperanto. It's easy enough that if all language teachers were to start now, we'd have a corps of fully qualified of Esperanto teachers in a year, without anyone having to spend any time abroad.
 

Arsen

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German. It can sound romantic, articulate, intelligent, fearsome, and powerful all at the same time.
 

DanDeFool

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Lojban.

It's an engineered language, designed to be completely logical and unambiguous. It should be comparatively (or at least equivalently) easy for everyone to learn, and doesn't have any bizarre linguistic bullcrap that some languages are absolutely fraught with.

(English, I'm looking at you.)

I think that if we want to make everybody learn one universal language, we might as well pick a language that won't have half the world whining about racism and how white people are all yearning for the day when they can put all the darker-skinned races back on the plantation again.

(Again, English, looking DIRECTLY at you.)

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Lojban