SoulSalmon said:
Yes but emotional pain is EXCLUSIVELY in the mind, physical harm is backed up by actual injury and nerve endings releasing chemicals that specialize in making you suffer.
Emotional pain... well it's pretty much just 'negative' emotions like sadness from what I can tell, and I can't imagine why people let themselves get so worked up about it.
Except it's not just in the mind. It has real-world, physical consequences as you agree.
Its cause is often due to physical circumstances, too. The only real difference is that emotional pain rarely finds its cause in actual kinetic energy impacting the individual.
Both the causes and responses to emotional pain are observable in the natural world, and both are processed temporally. They're the same thing, you see?
The reason they can still be compared despite being effectively the same thing is that they have different causes. Physical pain is most often caused by a discrete action, whereas emotional pain is caused by a continuous unchangeable characteristic of the social or physical environment. The cause of emotional pain never goes away. That person will always be dead, there will never be an objective point to life, things will always be less than they could be, you will never achieve all your dreams, ideals can by definition never be reached.
In fact, even in a tortuous situation, much of the pain is itself emotional in the knowledge that you'll never be able to escape the physical pain. It becomes a matter of willpower, of 'breaking their spirit' in the words of torturers. Even in that most physically painful of situations, it isn't about physical pain, but emotional strength.
And you lost me...
Feeling actual pain because life is pointless?
Since when does anything ever have a neatly defined 'point' to it anyway?
That's precisely the point.
Heh.
No but really, it is. The
problem people have is that there is no point to anything.
Just in case I made it sound like PEOPLE who commit suicide are stupid, let me clarify that I do not.
The ACTION is what I find stupid
I don't think you can distinguish like that. If a person takes a 'stupid' action, whatever that's even supposed to mean, they are a stupid person. I don't think a 'stupid' action can exist independently of a stupid person or persons. In the same way you can't have a dent without a surface or a smile without a face.
First world problems much?
Yes, that was an example I thought you'd be able to relate to, seeing as you're from the first world. Pointing out that an example is narrow in scope does not undermine the principal it's trying to get across. There is no flaw here despite the implication of your question.
And, actually, having been to a few developing countries, I can tell you that their reasons for depression are not that different to ours. They are perhaps more fundamental sometimes, but then fundamentality can only be judged in relation to social circumstances.
I'll have to see if I can find out how this works at another time, maybe something will change.
Should do. I've a more practiced empathetic mind due to my familial circumstances, which is why I can spout off and speculate motivations like this despite not being much older than you.
And in the end you'd be experiencing the emotional pain BECAUSE of physical pain anyway, just not your own.
That's wrong. Each independent experience of pain is a discreet entity. A husband killing himself because his wife died because she was hit by a car does not equate to the husband dying because he was hit by a car. His pain is entirely emotional. Her pain was entirely physical (if it was quick).
Physical pain can cause emotional pain which may cause something else, but that doesn't mean it is the proximate cause of that something else.