Poll: Playing As The Third Riech

[Nergui]

I haven't played EU4 much yet, but in 2 and 3, my favourite nations were the Ottomans or one of the Russian states. Draw a line from Latvia down to Greece and conquering everything east of there was too much fun.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Eh, only a matter of time before Nazis are redeemed into troubled heroes like pirates or vampires have been.

Maybe they'll sparkle.

 

[RealRT]

The very idea of it baffles me to the core. Of course not. No fucking way in hell I am comfortable with playing as them.

Why is that? You would not actually be committing those atrocities, only acting them out for entertainment.

I view it as disrespectful to my great-grandfather who fought in the war and millions of my countrymates who died from that.

 

[Lieju]

Eh, only a matter of time before Nazis are redeemed into troubled heroes like pirates or vampires have been.

Maybe they'll sparkle.

Or rather the Crusades.
It's already idealized in fiction.
And I've been fairly creeped out by several people who thought they were a good thing, and well-organized armies of righteous Christians fighting for their faith.

And not huge uncomfortable messes.

 

[Roofstone]

I actually do want a game where you are soldier on the nazi side for once. Not a evil bastard of course, someone who struggles with morals and loyalty and relationships and so forth and so forth.

A more historical version of The Line or whatever that game was called I suppose it would be.

...I also want someone with good skills to write it.

 

[Flames66]

The very idea of it baffles me to the core. Of course not. No fucking way in hell I am comfortable with playing as them.

Why is that? You would not actually be committing those atrocities, only acting them out for entertainment.

I view it as disrespectful to my great-grandfather who fought in the war and millions of my countrymates who died from that.

Fair enough.

I actually do want a game where you are soldier on the nazi side for once. Not a evil bastard of course, someone who struggles with morals and loyalty and relationships and so forth and so forth.

A more historical version of The Line or whatever that game was called I suppose it would be.

...I also want someone with good skills to write it.

That could be a very moving and emotional game. Personally, I would want to play as an evil bastard. I would love a WWII game that let me be cartoonishly evil.

 

[Roofstone]

I actually do want a game where you are soldier on the nazi side for once. Not a evil bastard of course, someone who struggles with morals and loyalty and relationships and so forth and so forth.

A more historical version of The Line or whatever that game was called I suppose it would be.

...I also want someone with good skills to write it.

That could be a very moving and emotional game. Personally, I would want to play as an evil bastard. I would love a WWII game that let me be cartoonishly evil.

Could also be entertaining. Though it would be very hard to make a comical game about the jew gassing faction. At least one that most people would accept. Many people might avoid something like that on principle alone.

 

[zen5887]

The very idea of it baffles me to the core. Of course not. No fucking way in hell I am comfortable with playing as them.

Why is that? You would not actually be committing those atrocities, only acting them out for entertainment.

I view it as disrespectful to my great-grandfather who fought in the war and millions of my countrymates who died from that.

Entertainment is definitely not the right word to use.

If a game was going to tackle something like this there is no way it should be something light or easy to deal with. It should be confronting and challenging. I mean, there have been movies about Hitler and the German side to WWII, why can't there be a videogame?

The biggest issue is though (and here I am about to answer my own question), I really don't trust game devs (AAA game devs, at least) to put out something that with the maturity level that this subject matter demands.

 

[RealRT]

Entertainment is definitely not the right word to use.

If a game was going to tackle something like this there is no way it should be something light or easy to deal with. It should be confronting and challenging. I mean, there have been movies about Hitler and the German side to WWII, why can't there be a videogame?

The biggest issue is though (and here I am about to answer my own question), I really don't trust game devs (AAA game devs, at least) to put out something that with the maturity level that this subject matter demands.

Well the question wasn't about whether or not it can be done. It can. The question was whether people are comfortable with the idea. Most people are, which I find disturbing, I am not, but my opinion doesn't matter anyway.

 

[Macsen Wledig]

Don't know about him. But I'm fairly sure most people wouldn't want to play as Islamic Extremists in a modern shooter. Frankly anyone who would want to would either be an extremist themselves or some armchair warrior who's anti military who doesn't have a fucking clue what's happened in the last 15 years.

Not even when the Islamic extremists were the good guys and America was giving them guns, money and training to fight those evil Russians in Afghanistan?

 

[Redryhno]

Well the question wasn't about whether or not it can be done. It can. The question was whether people are comfortable with the idea. Most people are, which I find disturbing, I am not, but my opinion doesn't matter anyway.

They're comfortable in the sense that they want to see it be done. There's been tons of other media depicting the war from the German AND Nazi side, very rarely pulling punches with how it's portrayed in either case. It was a shitty situation for pretty much every German, and a game showing how shitty it could be while still having actual PEOPLE instead of the caricatures they've become in the last few years is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

Hell, anything that clears the air so that every German forever isn't tagged as a Nazi because their great-grandfather happened to be a tower guard at one of the camps is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

Off-Topic: as much as you say your opinion doesn't matter, you sure have responded and made your opinion of this idea and everyone supporting it very well known...

 

[DSK-]

Absolutely!. I've played as American soldiers, American special forces, British special forces, British "desert rats" tank driver, Russian soldiers, Russian terrorists, SIGINT Ninjas and all sorts. No problem with playing anything German from WW1/WW2.

 

[beastro]

I'm unabashedly Euro-centric in such games, the Middle east in a place to conquer, not a place to conquer from, unless you happen to be European as well.

You should play EU4 sometime. It sounds like your kind of game.

If you're European in EU4, you actually do just get to sail around the world conquering whatever the hell you want, wiping out cultures and civilizations and converting the survivors to Christianity because.. you know.. that was an actual thing that happened.

Maybe take some perspective from that..

If you'd read my post you'd have seen I already do.

I prefer EUIII atm.

And yeah, the world is a lesser place for not having the blood thirsty cultures of Meso-America, it's just a shame they were conquered by the Spanish and made to toil away for their silver and gold.

 

[beastro]

I don't mean to change your mind or anything, but radical modern Islam has jack-all in common with the Islamic world of antiquity, and 'Islamists' represent a tiny minority of the Islamic world today.

I'm fully aware of that fact, still doesn't mean I like it no differently than the people of my grandfathers generation who refuse to buy anything German or Japanese.

 

[beastro]

Yes, because the old Prussian generals that had nothing to do with the Nazi Party are vile creatures.

Oh course they did, the leadership bowing off to the Nazi's in order to maintain their position and eliminate the SA while the remainder stuck to be apolitical and participated in the war that produced those atrocities.

Prussian apoliticism failed Germany.

Don't know about him. But I'm fairly sure most people wouldn't want to play as Islamic Extremists in a modern shooter. Frankly anyone who would want to would either be an extremist themselves or some armchair warrior who's anti military who doesn't have a fucking clue what's happened in the last 15 years.

Not even when the Islamic extremists were the good guys and America was giving them guns, money and training to fight those evil Russians in Afghanistan?

Who ever said they were good?

They were a tool to use against our enemy at the time, nothing more.

 

[Macsen Wledig]

Don't know about him. But I'm fairly sure most people wouldn't want to play as Islamic Extremists in a modern shooter. Frankly anyone who would want to would either be an extremist themselves or some armchair warrior who's anti military who doesn't have a fucking clue what's happened in the last 15 years.

Not even when the Islamic extremists were the good guys and America was giving them guns, money and training to fight those evil Russians in Afghanistan?

Who ever said they were good?

They were a tool to use against our enemy at the time, nothing more.

Then we should question what kind of state uses such a tool. Not to mention that you can hardly view these events in isolation, the funding by the American state to Islamic fundamentalists to overthrow a liberal, pro-western republic in Afghanistan and the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in that country. Chickens come home to roost comes to mind.

 

[WouldYouKindly]

Eh, only a matter of time before Nazis are redeemed into troubled heroes like pirates or vampires have been.

Maybe they'll sparkle.

I wouldn't quite go that far. After all, vampires don't exist and pirates didn't try to systematically kill everyone for a really stupid reason.

The furthest I think they'll get is people respecting their ability in combat. I already recognize this.

But who knows? 400 years down the line, anything can happen.

 

[Chicago Ted]

Snip

In regards to RO2, it really comes down to teams more than weapons. That said, the Germans definitely do have an advantage over the Russians in regards to most automatic weapons. The MGs the Germans have are pretty much better in every way, and the SMGs can be as well. While the PPSH is great in CQB fighting, the MP40 has much better range with it that enables it to be more versatile I find. Not the mention the MKB just feels unfair sometimes. That said, when 60% of the team is playing riflemen, it's not as much of a game changer. A couple well coordinated squads will be just as effective either side.

And as for War Thunder, there is one exception to the Americans in that. That said, take this with a grain of salt, but I love the Americans... At Tier 2 planes on Arcade. Haven't really gone much beyond that as that's where I find myself having the most fun. The reason being for this is Airacobras with a 37mm cannon. Climbing to high altitudes and blasting bombers to bits with it always makes me giggle.

 

[beastro]

Don't know about him. But I'm fairly sure most people wouldn't want to play as Islamic Extremists in a modern shooter. Frankly anyone who would want to would either be an extremist themselves or some armchair warrior who's anti military who doesn't have a fucking clue what's happened in the last 15 years.

Not even when the Islamic extremists were the good guys and America was giving them guns, money and training to fight those evil Russians in Afghanistan?

Who ever said they were good?

They were a tool to use against our enemy at the time, nothing more.

Then we should question what kind of state uses such a tool. Not to mention that you can hardly view these events in isolation, the funding by the American state to Islamic fundamentalists to overthrow a liberal, pro-western republic in Afghanistan and the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in that country. Chickens come home to roost comes to mind.

All states use such tools, it's called dealing with the problems of today before getting to the problems of tomorrow.

Yes, a Soviet puppet was a pro-Western state...

 

[fix-the-spade]

Hell, in Warthunder they had to add korean war jets so germany won't seal club all the other planes with their jets. German propeller planes are one hit killers because they used 30 mm cannons which make American .50s look puny. The max power America gets is 20mm and thats at the end. When Germany had those cannons for a long ass while before they go up to 30mm.

The trouble with stuff like Warthunder is that they never include ammunition nor do they model it's characteristics realistically.

Those 30mm MK108s wouldn't be so game breaking if you had 25-40rnds per gun and an effective range of under 300m like the real thing did. 4, 6 or 8 fifty calls suddenly have a lot more punch when you can afford to put 250-400rnds in each gun, fire twenty shot per gun bursts and have an effective range pushing a mile (1 MK108 shell does not compare to the spread or damage of 120 .50bmg slugs).

Similarly those 20mm Hispano guns were much lighter than the MK108, carried 120+ shells per guns and fired shells at nearly double the muzzle velocity.

A single .50bmg slug is just as devastating to a flying aircraft as an exploding cannon shell, but this wouldn't lead to much game play as fights were simply decided by who hits first, or the german aircraft got smashed out of the sky whilst the Americans were still tiny specs in the distance. Then again the videogame solution of making the German 30mm somehow god like isn't much better.