Poll: Pokemon's Starting Elements

[Rooker]

That's easy. A little more complex in thought but plants consume water. You see a five year old dump water on mommy's rose bush and come back an hour later to find that spot utterly sapped of the puddle that had been there. Thus Water < Grass

 

[Keepitclean]

Guess who mine would be...

Scyther? ;D

You were close. Scyther would be in my top 10. Think more like a stag beetle.

Heracross?

Forgot Heracross was a beetle. Um... well, it has two things on it's head, instead of the one horn the Heracross has.

It also has a spiked vagina for a mouth.

R/S definitely started the trend of adding subtypes to starters' evolutions.

Isn't Charizard Fire/Flying? Venusaur is Grass/Poison too...

I wanna say Pinsir, but I know that's not right because he has a spike mouth for a vagina.

Is is Spinarak?

Charmander is just normal fire isn't it?

 

[Raykuza]

You explained why water does less damage to plants, not why plants do more damage to water.

 

[Georgie_Leech]

It should remain the same. The whole point of the triangle is to introduce the new players to the basics of typing. It is the simplest triangle, and the easiest to remember. It helps new players get used to the idea that some pokemon will always be at a disadvantage to others.

Incidentally, FlyingRock Works, but that's needlessly complicated and obtuse for a new player. I've still yet to hear a decent argumeent as to why flying is good against fighting, from a logical perspective.

Then why is water weak to grass? If you throw water on a fire, the fire goes out. If you set a plant on fire, it will burn up. If you toss leaves in a puddle? lolwut?

If you put a live plant in water and the water gets absorbed? Considering that water is not something that you generally think of as a plant-killer, but rather is associated with their food, it's not that much of a leap. Heck, it has more justifcation than some of the SE/NVE's out there.

Incidentally, I don't think any grass pokemon have the ability Water Absorb. Odd.

 

[Raykuza]

It should remain the same. The whole point of the triangle is to introduce the new players to the basics of typing. It is the simplest triangle, and the easiest to remember. It helps new players get used to the idea that some pokemon will always be at a disadvantage to others.

Incidentally, FlyingRock Works, but that's needlessly complicated and obtuse for a new player. I've still yet to hear a decent argumeent as to why flying is good against fighting, from a logical perspective.

Then why is water weak to grass? If you throw water on a fire, the fire goes out. If you set a plant on fire, it will burn up. If you toss leaves in a puddle? lolwut?

If you put a live plant in water and the water gets absorbed? Considering that water is not something that you generally think of as a plant-killer, but rather is associated with their food, it's not that much of a leap. Heck, it has more justifcation than some of the SE/NVE's out there.

Incidentally, I don't think any grass pokemon have the ability Water Absorb. Odd.

Depends on the plant. Most plants CAN drown. Though that is a bit nitpicky. The point I'm trying to make is, none of this crap makes much sense (grass resists thunder yet when lighting strikes a tree, it causes a forest fire), but it certainly is still fun.

 

[oppp7]

It would have to be Ground-Poison-Plant because no other combination would be the same.

 

[Georgie_Leech]

It should remain the same. The whole point of the triangle is to introduce the new players to the basics of typing. It is the simplest triangle, and the easiest to remember. It helps new players get used to the idea that some pokemon will always be at a disadvantage to others.

Incidentally, FlyingRock Works, but that's needlessly complicated and obtuse for a new player. I've still yet to hear a decent argumeent as to why flying is good against fighting, from a logical perspective.

Then why is water weak to grass? If you throw water on a fire, the fire goes out. If you set a plant on fire, it will burn up. If you toss leaves in a puddle? lolwut?

If you put a live plant in water and the water gets absorbed? Considering that water is not something that you generally think of as a plant-killer, but rather is associated with their food, it's not that much of a leap. Heck, it has more justifcation than some of the SE/NVE's out there.

Incidentally, I don't think any grass pokemon have the ability Water Absorb. Odd.

Depends on the plant. Most plants CAN drown. Though that is a bit nitpicky. The point I'm trying to make is, none of this crap makes much sense (grass resists thunder yet when lighting strikes a tree, it causes a forest fire), but it certainly is still fun.

Actually, a lot of trees can survive lightning strikes. The subsequent fire is something else entirely. And that water killing plants makes sense too; enough fire will evaporate water. It just takes a lot.

 

[Raykuza]

It should remain the same. The whole point of the triangle is to introduce the new players to the basics of typing. It is the simplest triangle, and the easiest to remember. It helps new players get used to the idea that some pokemon will always be at a disadvantage to others.

Incidentally, FlyingRock Works, but that's needlessly complicated and obtuse for a new player. I've still yet to hear a decent argumeent as to why flying is good against fighting, from a logical perspective.

Then why is water weak to grass? If you throw water on a fire, the fire goes out. If you set a plant on fire, it will burn up. If you toss leaves in a puddle? lolwut?

If you put a live plant in water and the water gets absorbed? Considering that water is not something that you generally think of as a plant-killer, but rather is associated with their food, it's not that much of a leap. Heck, it has more justifcation than some of the SE/NVE's out there.

Incidentally, I don't think any grass pokemon have the ability Water Absorb. Odd.

Depends on the plant. Most plants CAN drown. Though that is a bit nitpicky. The point I'm trying to make is, none of this crap makes much sense (grass resists thunder yet when lighting strikes a tree, it causes a forest fire), but it certainly is still fun.

Actually, a lot of trees can survive lightning strikes. The subsequent fire is something else entirely. And that water killing plants makes sense too; enough fire will evaporate water. It just takes a lot.

Of course plenty of trees survive. When the lighting strikes, it's probably raining so the tree is wet blah blah.

 

[Tinneh]

I'm fine with the starting combination of elements. I wish on a second playthrough that you could pick any Pokemon's first evolution to start with.

Guess who mine would be...

Pinsir?!

I'm more of a Heracross man, m'self, but hey, I don't judge. But my all-time favourite Pokemon will always be Haunter, just look how fucking badass he looks!

 

[AdamRBi]

Guess who mine would be...

Scyther? ;D

You were close. Scyther would be in my top 10. Think more like a stag beetle.

Heracross?

Forgot Heracross was a beetle. Um... well, it has two things on it's head, instead of the one horn the Heracross has.

It also has a spiked vagina for a mouth.

R/S definitely started the trend of adding subtypes to starters' evolutions.

Isn't Charizard Fire/Flying? Venusaur is Grass/Poison too...

Bulbasaur is actually Grass/Poison, all his forms are.

See, this I don't mind. If they add a secondary type to the starters from the beginning I wouldn't complain. It's just easier for new players to pick up on the Fire/Water/Grass Triangle. Ice/Grass/Rock is harder, who would guess Ice was weak against Rock unless they've player the game? Right?

 

[crudus]

No, mainly because it is so easy to screw it up. OP, the types you named contain the strongest pokemon and chances are you would have to trade your starter pokemon away to get it to the third evolution. Besides, there isn't a balanced triangle other than grass/fire/water.

 

[slowpoke999]

The only 3 types I can think of that go

1-SE>2-SE>3-SE>1
1<NVE-2<NVE-3<NVE-1

without using fire,grass or water is

Fighting,Rock and Flying.

Here are some other common misconceptions:

Dark, Fighting, Psy(Wouldn't work cause dark is immune to psychic)
Water, Ground, Electric(Ground immune to Electric)
Poison, Grass, Ground(Involves grass)
Steel, Grass, Ground(Steel isn't super effective against grass)
Rock, Flying, Grass(Involves Grass)
Fighting,ICe,Flying(Flying isn't NVE against ice)
Rock,Ice,Grass(Grass isn't NVE against Ice)
Ground,Ice,Grass(Same as above)

Also if they do release a Light type I want it to be

Light-SE>Dark-SE>Ghost-SE>Light
"<nve-Dark<nve-Ghost<NVE-Light

And maybe the new game can have 3 starting areas, where who can choose from one of the three sets.

Grass,Water,Fire
Rock.Flying,Fighting
Ghost,Dark,Light

Perfect.

 

[Evil_Gohan_Mixa_DJ]

There are a few different triangles that could be used, for example Grass-Poison-Ground, Fire-Rock-Steel, or Rock-Fighting-Flying. These groups all have the same effectivness loop that Grass-Fire-Water have. It is just that Fire-Grass-Water is easy to understand.

EDIT: If you want a detailed description of the types, and effectiveness loops, go here http://www.psypokes.com/lab/battlechart.php Easy to understand....

 

[knhirt]

What we need is a couple new elements.

Paper and Scissor. Hell, Scyther could do as the scissor-type starter. Not sure about the paper one, though, but that's what new pokemon are for, right?

 

[nerd51075]

Correct me please if I am wrong, but didn't R/S give the fire starter a fighting subtype (Combusken/Blaziken) as well as give the water starter a ground subtype (Marshtomp/Swampert)? I'll concede that D/P was the first pair of games to have all 3 starters gain a subtype after evolving (Torterra - Grass/Ground, Infernape - Fire/Fighting, and Empoleon - Water/Steel), but R/S definitely started the trend of adding subtypes to starters' evolutions.

Johto is the only one where all of them are pure Grass/Water/Fire
Charizard is Fire/Flying
Venusaur is Grass/Poison
Blastoise is a turtle.

I feel like a total moron. Thank you very much for heeding my request in the first sentence.