Poll: Poll: Star Wars Episode VII

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Blue_vision

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I feel like it's going to be worse than the prequels in the sense that you'll exit the theatre without any recollection of what you just watched. I'd rather watch a spectacularly bad movie than an average one, and I feel like that's what the new trilogy is going to be. Average.

Of course, I stopped caring a long time ago...
 

Goofguy

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I have no friggin clue how to initially gauge what to expect from the next Star Wars movie. I'm optimistic for it but without much information revealed at the moment, it's hard for me to say. J.J. Abrams is a capable director who has the potential to do the original trilogy justice.

That said, the one Star Wars release I was most looking forward to was 1313. I was excited to see a grittier, darker side of the Star Wars universe. One where the protagonist is morally ambiguous and who has to make questionable decisions. The Star Wars universe is huge and I'm somewhat tired of seeing it portrayed within a classic good vs evil conflict.
 

Casual Shinji

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
It's funny you bring up Beserk, as I just this week finished watching the anime, which covers the Golden Age arc which I guess you're referring to. On that topic:

While I get what you're saying, I think it's worth pointing out that Beserk and the Star Wars prequels deal with very different character types, and very different falls.

The implication I got from the end of Beserk was that Griffith was always a bit of a sociopath. Not just sociopathic tendencies, but a full on sociopath. Throughout the series, we see that he's always valued the pursuit of his own dream over anything else. Whether he is fully aware of the Behelit and the whole 'demonic transformation' thing or not, it seems like he always knew that he was going to have to climb a mountain of corpses to get where he wants to go, and he just doesn't care. He doesn't so much 'fall' as willingly dives in. Now, you may disagree here, but my interpretation is that the only thing that gave him a moment's pause was the appearance of Guts, and what appears to be a very homoerotic attraction to him by Griffith. I know a lot of fans deny that, but for me the subtext in the anime is too strong to ignore. Griffith is willing to sacrifice everything right from the outset in order to achieve his dream, but the appearance of Guts gives him a brief period where he actually cares for someone other than himself. As soon as Guts fucks off, he reverts right back to being a selfish ****, going so far as to quasi-sorta-rape the Princess in order to make himself feel good. Cut to a year later, and he willingly murders the very people who rescued him in order to finally achieve his dream, and rapes Casca in order to get back at Guts for symbolically 'dumping' him.

I see the Eclipse not as Griffith falling, but as him finally manifesting as the **** he always was. Or at least, had been since a little kid. He was never a 'good' person, and the reason Beserk works so well is because in looking back, you realise that Griffith was always a heartless bastard.

Anakin is different, in that the story has to revolve around him at one point being a genuinely decent person. Griffith, as far as I'm aware, hasn't shown any sort of repentance or regret over his frankly awful actions. Whereas the Star Wars saga relies on Anakin/Vader eventually coming to regret his decisions, and briefly reverting back to a decent character before he dies. If he had always been a sociopath like Griffith, there would be nothing for him to revert back to. There'd be no remorse, as he'd feel genuinely empowered in his position as an evil Sith Lord. Whereas in the prequels, he may be whiny, bratty and self-centred, but you can at least get the impression (even if the execution is lacking) that at this core, he's supposed to be a decent person. Someone brash, egotistical and conceited, sure, but someone who genuinely wanted to do what was right.
I only ever read the manga so I don't know how much they changed in the anime.

With Griffith it's that he sees his love for Guts as a weakness. Griffith is ofcourse very egomaniacal, but you know he greatly cares for Guts. And when we truly care for someone, we doubt ourselves in their presence. After Griffith assassinates the queen and ties up all the loose ends, he turns to Guts and says, "Do you think me cruel?" He never would've asked that with Casca or anyone else, because he feels they're beneath him. But not Guts.

And that was the tragedy of it all. Guts left the Hawks because he wanted to become his own person who can stand next to Griffith as an equal. But too late he realizes that was already the case, and that him leaving his side sent Griffith spiraling down. Even at the very end, it's him seeing Guts' face and realizing he was the "cause" of his swayed ambition that makes his decission to join the Godhand final.


I never got the homoerotic tension though. At the very beginning when they meet there might be some, but in the end I think it's simply that Griffith can sense that unbreakable spirit in Guts.

The rumor that Brad Bird at one point was considered to direct also made my heart skip. The way he always creates these fun Rube Goldbergian action scenes, is something I think would be a pefect fit for Star Wars.
I dunno... I love his Pixar stuff, but John Carter left me questioning his live action sensibilities. Maybe an Indiana Jones flick would better suit those Rube Goldberg action scenes you mention, but I think I'd be just a teensy bit nervous if I heard he was helming the new Star Wars.
Oh I agree, John Cater was terrible, but thankfully that was directed by Andrew Stanton of WALL-E fame. Brad Bird directed Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocal. Not the greatest action movie, since it loosely hung together, but it had some really great moments. And it showed Brad Bird can make engaging action that doesn't just involve either punching, shooting, or explosions.