Poll: Prison colony

[LV Solace]

Now for a moment I know this is like holding your arm out to a crocidile in ways to lose something. However I wanted to get myself some opinions. So lets put it out there.

How do you think the world would react to Australia being set up as an international prison colony. The current residents would be shipped of to the country of thier choice, and compensated for thier property. However thats not the point, sure Australians would be really pissed about beign shipped out, lets assume for this point that they are not, or they suck it up and they move.

Would an entire colony of convicted felons, living on an island without any support, or technological intervention work? I use australia as an example simply because of the horrible flora and fauna that live there, and the large area it covers.

If the entire nation was patrolled by a small fleet of vessels, and most modern technology was removed from the island could it work? Just leave the island as it is, no guards aside form the small patrol fleet. Just drop them there and let them be.

 

[Spartan Bannana]

I personally don't think it would work. Did it ever occur to you that some residents might not want to leave? Plus, prison is supposed to be punishment, and Australia isn't really as barren and punishing as it used to be.

 

[ObnoxiousTwat]

It could work, provided they didn't eat each other or build an escape boat.

 

[LV Solace]

@ Spartan Banana - Right the main two problems would be internation cooperation, and current australian residetns not wanting to move. Right australia isn't as bad as it used to be howver, it would solve certain problems, such as we now have an entire island to dump or severe criminals on, and no longer need our local prisons.

@ Obnoxious Twat - The smalll patrol fleet in addition to the natural fauna in place would almost guarentee that escape by boat is impossible. Plus I'm certain there is technology to support the containment of prisoners. As for turning on each other, well they're criminals do we really care?

 

[Monkfish Acc.]

Yes, and it would also make for an interesting family outing. All you'd need is a bunch of rifles and a few armoured vehicles.

 

[Robert0288]

Australlia is too big, why not move everyone out of the UK? Cold wet and rainny, compared to large and sunny.

 

[ObnoxiousTwat]

But no, I'm a pro-execution believer, if prisons are so overcrowded we need an entire nation/island to house them, bullets don't cost very much, and you only need one per inmate.

Very true. Bullets are cheap and islands are expensive.

 

[Labyrinth]

You'd come back 200 years later and be greeted with "G'day mate" and a warm beer.

 

[Grubnar]

Im not sure I understand the question. Are you talking about Australia or some imaginary island? Australia is not an island, it is in fact a continent.

If you are just wondering about it in general tearms. If a lot of prisoners who were left to fend for themself in a contained enviroment could form a self-sufficient community? Then yes. They could and most likely would.

P.S. i did not wote since I do not understand.

 

[JMeganSnow]

"Work" in what sense?

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

But no, I'm a pro-execution believer, if prisons are so overcrowded we need an entire nation/island to house them, bullets don't cost very much, and you only need one per inmate.

Very true. Bullets are cheap and islands are expensive.

Technically it is a continent. But yeah bullets are cheap right now...

 

[The Iron Ninja]

Im not sure I understand the question. Are you talking about Australia or some imaginary island? Australia is not an island, it is in fact a continent.

It's surrounded by ocean, it's an island (and yes, it is also a continent)

I say we use a different country, Australia has already had a turn being a penal colony.
Maybe the Falkland Islands (or Islas Malvinas if you're Argentinian), it's in two halves, so we could have two groups of convicts that we periodically pit against each other in Island-wide battles (Y'know, just to make room for more inmates)

 

[ke7eha]

How about we do like Heinlein suggested in 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress' and ship all of our convicts to the moon. Barring that we give them a mass driver and a self-aware computer, we would be fairly safe from them and there would be no possibility of escape.

 

[Jamash]

Even more difficult than relocating all the people would be the almost impossible task of dismantling & removing all the technology & industrial infrastructure which would be advantageous to the prisoners.

Also wouldn't in be a bit unfair on all the Aborigines & indigenous wildlife, who would invariably suffer at the hands of all the world's criminals?

It would be better to put the prisoners on a atoll or volcanic outcrop in the middle of the pacific, much more isolated than Australia, or just a huge man made prison ship.

Of course, if you were going to do that, it'll be more practical & probably more humane just to execute the prisoners, or use them in cutting edge medical research, at least that way they'd be some use to humanity.

 

[zachatree]

I doubt it. Australia like Georgia was not a real hard core prison colony anyways, mostly full of debtors and other pity criminals.

 

[LV Solace]

@ Khell_Sennet I'm for execution in cases where it is deserved, but these armed robbers who never actuallly hurt anyone, and still are charged with felony offences, while they dont deserve a nice .9mm round to the back of the head, they do deserve lock up.

I'm not in anyway saying it should be done, I'll do that around less intelligent people where I can win that argument by throwing around big words. I'm asking if it were done, would it suceed as a prison colony.

As for my reasons behind choosing australia. You have a single ant that can kill you with a single bite. Spiders that can bite through toenails. Many venomous snakes. Big things that dont need a trick to kill you. Many sharks around your shores. Jellyfish that can paralize you with one sting. And a mammel that lays eggs and in poisonous. What the fuck is up with those kinds of things.

And thats just with a minor knowledge of What goes on down there. I'm fairly certain that much sun would make me go insane.

As I've stated before it will likely never happen, people like that deathtrap of a country, and dont paticularly want to give their nice beaches up to a bunch of drug addled convicts.

 

[Mstrswrd]

Have you people learned nothing from TV and Film? This plan will only work if you first execute Kurt Russel, and don't for ANY reason ever send in an armed rescue team... EVER!

I was just about to mention that (Just saw Escape from L.A. Surfing Snake Pliskin for FTW!)

Anyway, no, nowadays it wouldn;t because, remember, "Prisoners have rights to!" If we put them on an island with no technology, all the humunists (the extreme ones, at least), would throw a hissy fit. Plus, if everyois a criminal, what happens when new life starts being brought in, like babies or convicted teenagers. Would you really expect a baby to survive in that environment. And you can;pt take a bay from it's mother without good reason. If the island is a prison, we wouldn't have reason to take the child. In a women's jail, at least, if an inmate is pregnant from before she was convicted/a male guard impregnates her, they can take the child.

 

[LV Solace]

Right we could just have al the good intelligent people on an island away from all the idiocy, and crime. Thats a different issue though, something of my utopia. But thats another thread for when i'm not getting ready for clases tomorrow.

M only issue with that scenario Khell is that non violent Felony offender would be put to death. I believe that only violent criminals should be pput to death, on there first offence. Which is my Island prison.

Or a real simple solution, just relax the laws make less things illigal, and make the punishment for every crime death. YOu stole over a hundred dollars worth of stuff from X. Bang .9mm your dead next.

As for the children inevitable born there, thats an issue that I cant reallly give a solution too. and one that essentially invalidates my Idea.

 

[PurpleRain]

Well, did it ever work (looks around him)... well I guess it did. But in modern times with the world media watching, I doubt it would without having some political uproar and 'ethical' codes broken.

If we were talking about something like Battle Royal (20 prisoners on an island, one escapes) I'd be all for it. My money's on the guy with the tattoos on his eyelids.

 

[LV Solace]

That would be another solution drop 100 prisoners on an island, and the last one alive goes back to prison. do that every week or so. Pllus the government could make omney off of it. All the sick fucks, could pay to watch these guys kill and eviscerate eachother for the chance to go back to prison.

Also two islands one for women and one for men, would solve that. YOu cant have two seperate populations mate.