Poll: Project Natal. Doomed to Fail.

[Sixties Spidey]

For god's sake though, do support the hardware.
Anybody remember the 32X? Yeah, I'm sorry for tarnishing your memories.

That thing was released on the brink of the Saturn's release. Might as well have been a different console.

 

[Ventuquies]

I think there are some things about Natal you did not really think about.

1st: Yes MS stated there would be no controller, but I guess that will not be true in the final stage and MS showed it already a bit with the "use your own gear" stuff. Natal captures everything, so you can just use whatever you like as a controler. Want to play baseball? Just use your own baseball bat! Maybe for some games it would be difficult to play with this kind of game control, like FPS, however, I think there are numerous ways for MS to figure out how to do that right.

2nd: I think its wrong to talk about Natal as just "Motion Control" and compare it in any way with the Wii. There is no device which lets you control something in the game. It can put YOU inside the game! Imagine Natal with VR glasses on some kind of moving walkway. Natal is not like the Wiimote, its already the next more advanced game control. They can just bring out the technology piece by piece and I am sure MS has enough money for the research.

(P.S.: The clowndildos from Sony I just see as a bad joke, they just took the idea from Nintendo with the Wiimote and improved it. Its not like there is a lot of innovation or risktaking in it..)

The Wii showed that to take the risks to try something new can really pay off. Also Natal is going further than typical innovations for gaming consoles and I think therefore it will have great success too.

 

[Logan Westbrook]

Is it a good idea to introduce it right now? No. No. Not at all. Give Motion Controls time to grow into something much better. Where developers can use motion controls to a great advantage for shooters, fighting games, driving games, RPG titles, Horror titles, and action titles, rather than something reserved for gimmicky shovelware. I believe that when motion controls materialize into something greater, that is when Project Natal should hit the spotlight.

That's just my two cents anyway.

Just to throw a metaphorical cat amongst the pigeons, how are motion controls going to develop into something better if no one is using them except the Wii?

 

[Eldritch Warlord]

Here's a Natal idea, use the controller but Natal still senses your movement. You could flail your arms (while still holding the controller) for a melee attack. Or use leg motions or leaning for extra input.

 

[Sixties Spidey]

Project Natal is trying to cease the casual gamer market, which isn't a market, it's a one trick pony which Nintendo have satisfied.
Plus the Sony motion is better in every way as it's a camera and two controllers. Just check ut Eyepets to see how MS are already behind in the competition.
Also, a virtual little boy as a friend? That's just wierd, and the option to have a little girl...well just hop on over to 4chan to see what that bastion of morality and intelligence thinks of that idea....

Actually, I never thought of that. What would happen if you like, abused it? Like, you took off your clothes and Natal scanned it or something?

 

[Sixties Spidey]

Project Natal is trying to cease the casual gamer market, which isn't a market, it's a one trick pony which Nintendo have satisfied.
Plus the Sony motion is better in every way as it's a camera and two controllers. Just check ut Eyepets to see how MS are already behind in the competition.
Also, a virtual little boy as a friend? That's just wierd, and the option to have a little girl...well just hop on over to 4chan to see what that bastion of morality and intelligence thinks of that idea....

Actually, I never thought of that. What would happen if you like, abused it? Like, you took off your clothes and Natal scanned it or something?

On second thought, that's something I don't want to think about. >_<

 

[Sixties Spidey]

Is it a good idea to introduce it right now? No. No. Not at all. Give Motion Controls time to grow into something much better. Where developers can use motion controls to a great advantage for shooters, fighting games, driving games, RPG titles, Horror titles, and action titles, rather than something reserved for gimmicky shovelware. I believe that when motion controls materialize into something greater, that is when Project Natal should hit the spotlight.

That's just my two cents anyway.

Just to throw a metaphorical cat amongst the pigeons, how are motion controls going to develop into something better if no one is using them except the Wii?

The SixAxis counts, right?

 

[traceur_]

hmmm...
why am I reminded of the Eyetoy?

Because this will suck as much as the eyetoy.

Motion controls are not precise enough to be a good idea, at least for now anyway. I'll always stick to controllers, I don't want to stand in front of my TV, waving my arms around like a dickhead when I'm playing. I want to lie down on the couch and have nothing moving except my hands. Gaming and exercise should stay the hell away from each other.

 

[Sixties Spidey]

Natal is a peripheral that adds some new features to the 360, and it's completely optional (unlike the Wii which was built around motion controls). How many years has it been since the first guitar controller came out with Guitar Hero? You don't see everyone playing Halo 3 with guitars, do you?

Guitar Hero's a different type of game. One requires that specific controller for the gameplay. The other utilizes a regular controller and traditional control scheme.

 

[Logan Westbrook]

The SixAxis counts, right?

Sure, but the fact that Sony have brought out a Wii-Mote of their own suggests that the SixAxis wasn't quite what they wanted their motion controls to be.

It's worth mentioning as well that Natal is not a new idea. It bears a striking resemblance to the EyeToy, which has been around for years. It's the implementation of the ideas and the possibilities that the tech opens up that will drive innovation.

 

[darthzew]

If it doesn't succeed overwhelmingly, the technology is cool enough that it'll find somewhere to be happy.

Either that or this: Eye Toy wasn't exactly flying off shelves but it's still being sold. I speculate that it'll either have Eye Toy-like sales or it'll succeed in great numbers.

 

[BlueMartian]

I dunno, those soccer moms are getting pretty bored with Wii Fit....
Fuck I hope this goes away

 

[Sixties Spidey]

I dunno, those soccer moms are getting pretty bored with Wii Fit....
Fuck I hope this goes away

Probably won't. Nintendo's just going to shit out peripherals to be on top of the game, sooooo yeah..

 

[BlueMartian]

I dunno, those soccer moms are getting pretty bored with Wii Fit....
Fuck I hope this goes away

Probably won't. Nintendo's just going to shit out peripherals to be on top of the game, sooooo yeah..

....I just want to play good quality games with a controller I hold in my hands
Am I getting old?

 

[You_have_a_name]

Project Natal looks great nd they showed it working live at e3 so that proves it is gona work

 

[MalevolentJim]

How bad can it be?I mean the Eye Toy is the very definition of Fail.
It could work,but i don't get Lionheads "Milo".
I just..don't get it.

 

[Grampy_bone]

The Natal demo reminds me of the Half-Life 2 E3 demo, or the Killzone 2 "actual game footage" demo.

Recall that at E3 2006 Nintendo had ACTUAL GAMES to play with the Wiimote. Sony and Microsoft have produced bupkis thus far.

Does anyone remember Microsoft Surface?

 

[CriMs0nC0bra]

Another year, another E3, another round of games, and another group of doom forecasters. *yawn*

It's funny, I saw the same Natal presentation as everyone else but I can't seem to remember the part that everyone else seems to have heard, the part about Microsoft doing away with traditional controllers. Actually, one thing I do remember is something about how Natal would work with all the current versions of the Xbox 360, and all of the future versions of it. You know what else works with the 360? A controller.

Natal is a peripheral that adds some new features to the 360, and it's completely optional (unlike the Wii which was built around motion controls). How many years has it been since the first guitar controller came out with Guitar Hero? You don't see everyone playing Halo 3 with guitars, do you?

Sure, the Natal is probably going to attract some shovelware like the good old Wii, but that doesn't mean developers are going to stop making controller based games. There may be a few that can be controlled by both. Who knows? Maybe some really great games will come out of this and Sony's magic wand thing, but give them both a chance rather than getting all huffy about a couple of tech demos.

Calm down, Chicken Little, the sky isn't falling.

Thank you.
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Actually, I never thought of that. What would happen if you like, abused it? Like, you took off your clothes and Natal scanned it or something?

Yeah, on the surface it's a good idea, but as it's been brought up, it could really, really be abused by the morally sick.

How? As far as I can tell, Milo still requires programming to respond to what he is seeing, and what is going on. Do you really think Microsoft is going to allow for anything even close to that? If you get naked in front of it, I doubt it's going to react. They will never show Milo naked either, so what could a pedophile possibly do that he can't do already by watching nickelodeon?
If I missed the part of the E3 demo where they showed off a pedophile mode, let me know.

 

[CriMs0nC0bra]

The Natal demo reminds me of the Half-Life 2 E3 demo, or the Killzone 2 "actual game footage" demo.

Recall that at E3 2006 Nintendo had ACTUAL GAMES to play with the Wiimote. Sony and Microsoft have produced bupkis thus far.

Does anyone remember Microsoft Surface?

Yes. I still want to read my virtual newspaper.

 

[OddOzZy666]

Another year, another E3, another round of games, and another group of doom forecasters. *yawn*

It's funny, I saw the same Natal presentation as everyone else but I can't seem to remember the part that everyone else seems to have heard, the part about Microsoft doing away with traditional controllers. Actually, one thing I do remember is something about how Natal would work with all the current versions of the Xbox 360, and all of the future versions of it. You know what else works with the 360? A controller.

Natal is a peripheral that adds some new features to the 360, and it's completely optional (unlike the Wii which was built around motion controls). How many years has it been since the first guitar controller came out with Guitar Hero? You don't see everyone playing Halo 3 with guitars, do you?

Sure, the Natal is probably going to attract some shovelware like the good old Wii, but that doesn't mean developers are going to stop making controller based games. There may be a few that can be controlled by both. Who knows? Maybe some really great games will come out of this and Sony's magic wand thing, but give them both a chance rather than getting all huffy about a couple of tech demo

Calm down, Chicken Little, the sky isn't falling.

You forgot another fanboy war aswell.....just had t point that out sorry