Poll: religon: a 7 point scale

[Cavouku]

Oh no. Now now everyone, we can state our religions or beliefs without our reasons, such things only start arguments... Oh who the hell am I kidding? *hides in bunker* Flame on.

 

[Supraliminal]

gotcha, no problem.... I was just curious about how someone could have that kind of belief, not religious but believe in a god I mean... It's very interesting to me

I Believe in God 110% and I hate religions. How is it possible to believe in God and not religion? Its a personal relationship with God. Cant say that my relationship with my friends is a religion, can you?

My 2 cents.

That's the spirit. You don't let yourself been molded into the faceless mob that follows blindly their Religious leaders.
Everyone should, and only should, have their very own personal faith.
Then the World would be a better place.

 

[Cavouku]

I am curious, how exactly would you prove that God exists, or does not exist?

From what I have seen, people who believe in God usually do so as a matter of faith. Although they can site examples of creative design, miracles, and other suppossedly "God" inspired things, it always boils down to faith. As well it should, since it is a matter of spirituallity rather than science. In Christianity, faith in Jesus/God is the point. So it becomes more of an issue of whether you believe the idea, rather than ability to prove the existence.

For people who claim athieism, the question is equally if not more confusing. Since God is a considered a spiritual being by most people, there is no scientific evidence that can be applied. If there is no scientific evidence, then you must rely on YOUR ability to accept a God or not. Which quickly spirals into ridiculousness. How does not liking the way the world works and thinking life is unfair or unjust, prove that there is no God? Just because things don't happen the way you think they should, doesn't mean there is no God.

Maybe it would be a better world for everyone if the religious relied on faith to influence the non-religious, rather than invading privacy, attacking, and insisting everyone except them was going to hell. Maybe it would be a better world if the atheist's and others like them stopped antagonizing, insulting, and attacking the beliefs of the religious.

Greatest idea ever! I think I'll start praying now.

I'm not a Christian, but I'm 100% certain that God exists.

When a rabbit runs through the snow, does it not leave footprints?

That's deep...
Sometimes I think about the uncountable amount of life on the planet; it all shares the same atoms and molecules; all those atoms were created in the center of our solar system; and any one of those atoms is billions of years old; and I think there has to be some purpose there has to be a God. This is me at my most certain.

Have you ever studied biology? Are you aware of how mind-buggeringly complex even some of the most simple creatures are? It's just impossible that this happened by coincidence.

Obviously you haven't studied Evolution, because it's nothing at all like 'coincidence'. It's natural reproduction with survival of the fittest kicking in with genes.

Cliff_m85 my answer is God created evolution; no mortal can recreate evolution especially not knowing what every gene does. Then what gene groups do and God knows why some genes are dormant, how many genes make up a group are there dormant groups? How one mutation only happen once in a while in a rather large amount of time specially in larger animals that have offspring in seasons. Consider AIDS, my favorite virus, there a a couple of million of people infected with it there is probably a million if not more viruses reproducing fast if not exponentially. So out of all of those walking petri dishes wouldn't one of them have an evolved version of airborne AIDS, well I know the answer is no because thats not how HIV works but according to evolution it could happen but it hasn't. YES Akai Shizuku biology is "mind-buggeringly" complex that's why I'm studying Chemistry instead lol.

Abiogenesis can say that the first life could have happened unnaturaly. You know, proteins mixing with this and that and whatever. But still, this didn't answer some question about the nucleoid or whatever it was. And in truth, I think that there's too much stuff that conveniently happens, personally, and at the very least there should be a conductor.

 

[Supraliminal]

Cliff_m85 my answer is God created evolution; no mortal can recreate evolution especially not knowing what every gene does. Then what gene groups do and God knows why some genes are dormant, how many genes make up a group are there dormant groups? How one mutation only happen once in a while in a rather large amount of time specially in larger animals that have offspring in seasons. Consider AIDS, my favorite virus, there a a couple of million of people infected with it there is probably a million if not more viruses reproducing fast if not exponentially. So out of all of those walking petri dishes wouldn't one of them have an evolved version of airborne AIDS, well I know the answer is no because thats not how HIV works but according to evolution it could happen but it hasn't. YES Akai Shizuku biology is "mind-buggeringly" complex that's why I'm studying Chemistry instead lol.

DAmn I pressed post instead of preview. Wait a sec...

God created Evolution. Very clever, trying to mix religion and science. Why not they are both invented by humans.

"according to evolution it could happen but it hasn't."
Ehhh.... It could happen means that it's not going to happen for sure. And changes in life forms according to evolution take thousands of thousands of years. AIDS? Ain't that quite a "new" thing.

 

[Cavouku]

My dad's got a saying;

"There are no Atheists in a plane crash."
I Just thought it was funny ^ ^

 

[inflamessoilwork]

I chose 6, because there was no 6.9999

 

[Akai Shizuku]

I am curious, how exactly would you prove that God exists, or does not exist?

From what I have seen, people who believe in God usually do so as a matter of faith. Although they can site examples of creative design, miracles, and other suppossedly "God" inspired things, it always boils down to faith. As well it should, since it is a matter of spirituallity rather than science. In Christianity, faith in Jesus/God is the point. So it becomes more of an issue of whether you believe the idea, rather than ability to prove the existence.

For people who claim athieism, the question is equally if not more confusing. Since God is a considered a spiritual being by most people, there is no scientific evidence that can be applied. If there is no scientific evidence, then you must rely on YOUR ability to accept a God or not. Which quickly spirals into ridiculousness. How does not liking the way the world works and thinking life is unfair or unjust, prove that there is no God? Just because things don't happen the way you think they should, doesn't mean there is no God.

Maybe it would be a better world for everyone if the religious relied on faith to influence the non-religious, rather than invading privacy, attacking, and insisting everyone except them was going to hell. Maybe it would be a better world if the atheist's and others like them stopped antagonizing, insulting, and attacking the beliefs of the religious.

Greatest idea ever! I think I'll start praying now.

I'm not a Christian, but I'm 100% certain that God exists.

When a rabbit runs through the snow, does it not leave footprints?

That's deep...
Sometimes I think about the uncountable amount of life on the planet; it all shares the same atoms and molecules; all those atoms were created in the center of our solar system; and any one of those atoms is billions of years old; and I think there has to be some purpose there has to be a God. This is me at my most certain.

Have you ever studied biology? Are you aware of how mind-buggeringly complex even some of the most simple creatures are? It's just impossible that this happened by coincidence.

Obviously you haven't studied Evolution, because it's nothing at all like 'coincidence'. It's natural reproduction with survival of the fittest kicking in with genes.

Yes, because such complicated systems can just happen all by themselves.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

My dad's got a saying;

"There are no Atheists in a plane crash."
|Just thought it was funny ^ ^

That's a good point, and it works towards the theory that it is human nature to worship.

 

[googleboy]

I have an idea I've been mulling around for a while:
What if God and the Big Bang are one and the same? IE, what if divinity is the human construct to explain the incredible truth that we exist? Christians would have us believe that God created heaven and Earth, and that we are created in his image (love/creation). The Big Bang, created the universe and by extension created man; we endeavor to create both technology and life. So, that in mind, aren't these the same thing?

For the record, I responded as 50/50 to the poll. Sorry, this may just be a drunken ramble, but its been on my mind.

 

[Lusty]

I'm a 6 if we're talking about a possibility of 'a God'. However if we're talking about the existence of the Christian God I'm bumped up to a 7, since it is simply not possible for the God described in the bible to exist.

 

[Cpt. Red]

I'm not a Christian, but I'm 100% certain that God exists.

When a rabbit runs through the snow, does it not leave footprints?

Perhaps but how do you know what left the tracks?

 

[CosmicCommander]

I said 7, but I'm actually an 8, I dont just not believe in a God, I'm dedicated to abolishing the concept of one

 

[Cavouku]

My dad's got a saying;

"There are no Atheists in a plane crash."
|Just thought it was funny ^ ^

That's a good point, and it works towards the theory that it is human nature to worship.

Save my soul and whatnot. And forgive me for thinking that if it's in our nature, it is for a reason.

 

[Goldbling]

I voted 2.00 but I'm really 1.00, I Firmly believe there is a God. Maybe not the one I believe in, but there is defiantly a God.

I can understand perfectly why 6's and 7's believe the way they do. But the thing I ask to them is this: Why should you care what I do with my spirit? Let me believe what I please, and you can do the same.

This.

 

[Falcon22]

Being Agnostic is not believing that there's a 50/50 chance of God, it means you don't care if he exists or not.

Because that's where I am, so I answered 'other'.

 

[Mookie_Magnus]

I chose 3.

I believe in God, I do. I do have my moments of doubt, but overall I believe he's there. Usually when people say that they 'know' God exists, those people have had something happen that they interpreted as God speaking to them. I have not yet had one of those experiences, but I await it.

I can understand perfectly why 6's and 7's believe the way they do. But the thing I ask to them is this: Why should you care what I do with my spirit? Let me believe what I please, and you can do the same.

 

[theultimateend]

I voted 2.00 but I'm really 1.00, I Firmly believe there is a God. Maybe not the one I believe in, but there is defiantly a God.

I've always wondered the "why" to this.

In the end it doesn't matter, people who don't like reality will continue to fluff it and there is nothing nice anyone else can do to change that.

To me I just don't see the evidence. What is there that would give the idea to anyone that there is some sort of almighty being. I'm a huge fan of the universe and I get a boner everytime I read an astrophysics book, I am a huge fan of life and I get a cognitive boner anytime a new discovery is made. I just don't see the evidence for a supreme being nor does it appear that faking it does any justice to an otherwise astoundingly interesting existence.

I'd rather not shit on this cake just because I really feel the need to take a dump.

I chose 3.

I believe in God, I do. I do have my moments of doubt, but overall I believe he's there. Usually when people say that they 'know' God exists, those people have had something happen that they interpreted as God speaking to them. I have not yet had one of those experiences, but I await it.

I can understand perfectly why 6's and 7's believe the way they do. But the thing I ask to them is this: Why should you care what I do with my spirit? Let me believe what I please, and you can do the same.

I don't think it is what you are doing but what you in your weak beliefs are unwillingly legitimizing. Anytime someone becomes a moderately religious person they justify the actions of an extremist. Because if no large group of people in the world believed in god, it wouldn't be an acceptable medium for war. Sure you can argue that war is over land or money but when you need to move your people you always quote some sort of faith. The concept of Aryan race sure as hell wasn't a secular (I believe that's the right term) one.

These almost endless wars in the middle east are over little more than a book. Imagine if it was the Twilight people waging a bloody and endless war with the Harry Potter people. Not as a joke either, I mean quite literally pregnant women being skeward and their babies being torn from their womb and thrown into a fire (this actually happens as of as recent as the early 2000's). This would look absolutely retarded to us and we'd not accept the conflict a single bit.

However instead these people are fighting over differences in belief. Because of this suddenly there is an air of acceptance. People understand their faiths and see that this is just people taking it the wrong way. It isn't people acting irrational or foolish its just people of higher faith.

Or even the Catholic Church. The many bullshitty things they've done over the centuries have been in the name of God. If they were the only group believing in it the rest of the world would be far less accepting. Course I'm skeptical since the guy who talks to god uses a bulletproof car.

Overall I doubt anyone cares if YOU in particular are faithful. It's more what you legitimize by being so. Just like Racism or any other nonsensical belief, once enough people are just 'kinda' it the extreme of the group are seen as a reality. They aren't seen as a cognitive plague that is creating conflict for their own petty insecurities.

At least that's my understanding. I don't hate anyone because they are scared, I just dislike that they are taking roads that do little more than give them optimism (which you can have without faith) and legitimizes centuries and even millenias of conflicts, some of the more wild genocides, and other terrible events.

I'm all for optimism, nobody should be down or blue, but seriously do it the most constructive way possible.

I'm sure someone is going to attack me for overlooking all the good that faith has brought, but if you want to see Faith in its purest form. Look at North Korea. Sounds like a cheap shot but that is a nation that is almost entirely segregated from the rest of the world living in poverty beneath a man they think is god (or a god). That is the ultimate form of faith, that is religion at its purest level.

Anything less is just nice people being optimistic and helping one another and quite frankly you don't need a flying spaghetti monster for that, you just need to be you.

PS. To help give an example of my "you legitimize it" look at the point where a cult becomes a religion. It's all a matter of numbers (because lord knows Scientology is utterly insane even by religious standards but its got the numbers now).

 

[Cliff_m85]

I am curious, how exactly would you prove that God exists, or does not exist?

From what I have seen, people who believe in God usually do so as a matter of faith. Although they can site examples of creative design, miracles, and other suppossedly "God" inspired things, it always boils down to faith. As well it should, since it is a matter of spirituallity rather than science. In Christianity, faith in Jesus/God is the point. So it becomes more of an issue of whether you believe the idea, rather than ability to prove the existence.

For people who claim athieism, the question is equally if not more confusing. Since God is a considered a spiritual being by most people, there is no scientific evidence that can be applied. If there is no scientific evidence, then you must rely on YOUR ability to accept a God or not. Which quickly spirals into ridiculousness. How does not liking the way the world works and thinking life is unfair or unjust, prove that there is no God? Just because things don't happen the way you think they should, doesn't mean there is no God.

Maybe it would be a better world for everyone if the religious relied on faith to influence the non-religious, rather than invading privacy, attacking, and insisting everyone except them was going to hell. Maybe it would be a better world if the atheist's and others like them stopped antagonizing, insulting, and attacking the beliefs of the religious.

Greatest idea ever! I think I'll start praying now.

I'm not a Christian, but I'm 100% certain that God exists.

When a rabbit runs through the snow, does it not leave footprints?

That's deep...
Sometimes I think about the uncountable amount of life on the planet; it all shares the same atoms and molecules; all those atoms were created in the center of our solar system; and any one of those atoms is billions of years old; and I think there has to be some purpose there has to be a God. This is me at my most certain.

Have you ever studied biology? Are you aware of how mind-buggeringly complex even some of the most simple creatures are? It's just impossible that this happened by coincidence.

Obviously you haven't studied Evolution, because it's nothing at all like 'coincidence'. It's natural reproduction with survival of the fittest kicking in with genes.

Yes, because such complicated systems can just happen all by themselves.

With an actual education in science you can see that complicated systems happen by themselves all the time if taken gradually.

 

[Cliff_m85]

I am curious, how exactly would you prove that God exists, or does not exist?

From what I have seen, people who believe in God usually do so as a matter of faith. Although they can site examples of creative design, miracles, and other suppossedly "God" inspired things, it always boils down to faith. As well it should, since it is a matter of spirituallity rather than science. In Christianity, faith in Jesus/God is the point. So it becomes more of an issue of whether you believe the idea, rather than ability to prove the existence.

For people who claim athieism, the question is equally if not more confusing. Since God is a considered a spiritual being by most people, there is no scientific evidence that can be applied. If there is no scientific evidence, then you must rely on YOUR ability to accept a God or not. Which quickly spirals into ridiculousness. How does not liking the way the world works and thinking life is unfair or unjust, prove that there is no God? Just because things don't happen the way you think they should, doesn't mean there is no God.

Maybe it would be a better world for everyone if the religious relied on faith to influence the non-religious, rather than invading privacy, attacking, and insisting everyone except them was going to hell. Maybe it would be a better world if the atheist's and others like them stopped antagonizing, insulting, and attacking the beliefs of the religious.

Greatest idea ever! I think I'll start praying now.

I'm not a Christian, but I'm 100% certain that God exists.

When a rabbit runs through the snow, does it not leave footprints?

That's deep...
Sometimes I think about the uncountable amount of life on the planet; it all shares the same atoms and molecules; all those atoms were created in the center of our solar system; and any one of those atoms is billions of years old; and I think there has to be some purpose there has to be a God. This is me at my most certain.

Have you ever studied biology? Are you aware of how mind-buggeringly complex even some of the most simple creatures are? It's just impossible that this happened by coincidence.

Obviously you haven't studied Evolution, because it's nothing at all like 'coincidence'. It's natural reproduction with survival of the fittest kicking in with genes.

Cliff_m85 my answer is God created evolution; no mortal can recreate evolution especially not knowing what every gene does. Then what gene groups do and God knows why some genes are dormant, how many genes make up a group are there dormant groups? How one mutation only happen once in a while in a rather large amount of time specially in larger animals that have offspring in seasons. Consider AIDS, my favorite virus, there a a couple of million of people infected with it there is probably a million if not more viruses reproducing fast if not exponentially. So out of all of those walking petri dishes wouldn't one of them have an evolved version of airborne AIDS, well I know the answer is no because thats not how HIV works but according to evolution it could happen but it hasn't. YES Akai Shizuku biology is "mind-buggeringly" complex that's why I'm studying Chemistry instead lol.

Having mated fruit-flies and getting them to evolve I can clearly say "Yes, a mortal can recreate evolution".

All you're doing is tossing God into a completely naturalistic setting, hoping that people don't mind adding nonsense to science.

 

[Goldbling]

I voted 2.00 but I'm really 1.00, I Firmly believe there is a God. Maybe not the one I believe in, but there is defiantly a God.

I've always wondered the "why" to this.

In the end it doesn't matter, people who don't like reality will continue to fluff it and there is nothing nice anyone else can do to change that.

To me I just don't see the evidence. What is there that would give the idea to anyone that there is some sort of almighty being. I'm a huge fan of the universe and I get a boner everytime I read an astrophysics book, I am a huge fan of life and I get a cognitive boner anytime a new discovery is made. I just don't see the evidence for a supreme being nor does it appear that faking it does any justice to an otherwise astoundingly interesting existence.

I'd rather not shit on this cake just because I really feel the need to take a dump.

You believe what you believe and that's fine. No one can provide you with the "evidence" you need to know there is a God, you can only find that yourself.