Poll: Segregating schools: A Good Idea?

[BubbleGumSnareDrum]

What the hell would be the point of this?

In America, at least, public schooling is more about learning how to deal with other people than it is about actually learning. Most of the knowledge I have gained was gained on my own time.

 

[sneakypenguin]

This so called evidence is likely to just be crap. I doubt that the evidence covers a significant sample size. I also suspect that evidence of this nature fails to consider significant cultural and regional differences.

The fact is that these test are conducted with wilful prejudice. They generally group people participants by gender and compare the results to their previous achievements. They very often fail to address that they set the test up to derive the desired results. They often omit the fact that the act of observing directly alters the experiment.


Basically, there are so many flaws in the studies that look at the differences between gender because that are looking for evidence to support their theory rather than deriving a theory from the data.

You have to admit boys and girls are different mentally and learn differently though, surely. I think test showing boys as more hands on/practical application learners than girls shows they learn differently in general.

 

[Deadman Walkin]

I believe it is not a good idea for several reasons. Almost everyone learns differently, and we can't have a teacher for every student. Secondly, if not for school, guys and girls would not learn to interact with eachother, thus making people more sexiest because of lack of interaction. Everything in my opinion would start to get worse.

 

[notyouraveragejoe]

No because this will screw up the ENTIRE of society. I mean seriously if you separate males and females early on when you release them into the "real world" after school they will flounder. In addition the human race will likely be brought close to extinction as males and females would be unlikely to reproduce.

Stunted Society. Not a good idea.

Edit: Yes girls and boys learn differently. Theoretically. Males generally have work better with hands-on work and think better in space. Females work better through audio-visual aids and logic. Again theoretically.

Now imagine we do this segregation. We cater to the schools. We gain an increase in efficiency of about 5% due to specialized learning. However in business we lose an efficiency of about 10-15% because of a lack of knowledge from working in gender. To fix this though we can segregate through-out life. Therefore the human race reproduction efficiency drops dramatically and we all die. I don't believe we should be segregated... for any reason.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I don't think the argument on either side needs much adding to, but I think it does more harm than good, for the reasons posted above.

 

[Uncompetative]

No not by race, but by gender.
EDIT
Also segregating classes not schools(thread title is to catch eyes)

We where discussing this in my business ethics class today, well not discussing but it was brought up in our debate over affirmative action and discrimination in the workplace. I found it to be intriguing, my professor pulled up some data about how schools/classes that separate boys and girls improve scores(for math and science) for both parties.

Now I personally find separating schools/classes by sex to be a good thing, boys and girls both learn differently so why not teach them differently? It would also lessen the distraction of the whole middle school/high school dating/flirting crap that goes on

Do you believe this would be beneficial? In what ways? Are there downsides?

Look, if you meant to say Segregating classes in school by gender (like that), why didn't you? Stop wasting my time...

 

[Zykon TheLich]

You have to admit boys and girls are different mentally and learn differently though, surely. I think test showing boys as more hands on/practical application learners than girls shows they learn differently in general.

That's a social construct. Perhaps instead of seperating we should be treating girls and boys the same from an earlier age.

I had a clip from Alan Davies standup routine on this but I can't find it...It explains what I mean in an amusing way.

EDIT: @ Sneakypenguin below...yes, altering your title so it actually says what you mean would be a good idea.

 

[sneakypenguin]

What the hell would be the point of this?

In America, at least, public schooling is more about learning how to deal with other people than it is about actually learning. Most of the knowledge I have gained was gained on my own time.

Great then lets just make school a giant day care, where people can socialize to their hearts content. We can have a snack bar, some videogames, a few play areas. It will be awesome!
Nope school is there to learn things, to learn to think and analyze, the social aspect is just a side effect of the large group of people. Plus time in the CLASSROOM is not meant for socializing between the sexes there is time in between classes and after school for that.

I think I need to further edit my OP to just say classes. ugh

 

[beddo]

This so called evidence is likely to just be crap. I doubt that the evidence covers a significant sample size. I also suspect that evidence of this nature fails to consider significant cultural and regional differences.

The fact is that these test are conducted with wilful prejudice. They generally group people participants by gender and compare the results to their previous achievements. They very often fail to address that they set the test up to derive the desired results. They often omit the fact that the act of observing directly alters the experiment.


Basically, there are so many flaws in the studies that look at the differences between gender because that are looking for evidence to support their theory rather than deriving a theory from the data.

You have to admit boys and girls are different mentally and learn differently though, surely. I think test showing boys as more hands on/practical application learners than girls shows they learn differently in general.

I don't have to admit that because I see no evidence that it is true. Yes there are some difference in brain biology on different levels however, similar differences can be seen within people of each gender.

I think it's far too narrow minded to assume that you can somehow lump people into one of two groups roughly equal in size. No wonder there are so many gender imbalances, we should stop seeing people as being different because of their gender!

All it has done is led to outrageous expectations and discrimination against both on so many levels.

 

[sneakypenguin]

No because this will screw up the ENTIRE of society. I mean seriously if you separate males and females early on when you release them into the "real world" after school they will flounder. In addition the human race will likely be brought close to extinction as males and females would be unlikely to reproduce.

Stunted Society. Not a good idea.

Surely this is sarcasm, I mean it's not like theres sporting events, dances, school groups, and time in between classes for people to meet....

 

[Gearran]

Unless the improvement is a very significant one, there is really no point to this. Besides, being able to meet the opposite sex in a controlled environment like a school is vastly more preferable to meeting them out on one's own. This is a bad idea.

 

[BLOONINJA 503]

Not to mention how akward it would be to just walk up to a girl that has NO social skills...

actually that would probaly let me take the lead!!!

 

[sneakypenguin]

I don't have to admit that because I see no evidence that it is true. Yes there are some difference in brain biology on different levels however, similar differences can be seen within people of each gender.

I think it's far too narrow minded to assume that you can somehow lump people into one of two groups roughly equal in size. No wonder there are so many gender imbalances, we should stop seeing people as being different because of their gender!

All it has done is led to outrageous expectations and discrimination against both on so many levels.

So instead we lump everyone into on big pile without recognizing the differences of people? People are different because of their gender.This does not mean that one sex is lesser just that they are different.
I realize that not everyone will fit into their gender stereotype but surely its better to provide the best education for most rather than a mildly less effective education for all?

 

[Zykon TheLich]

I mean it's not like theres sporting events, dances, school groups, and time in between classes for people to meet....

Yeah, people could meet at those events, but they'd be a hell of a lot less familiar with each other.

Face it, people like social interaction and they especially like social interaction with the opposite sex. Take any of that away by force and prepare for a shitstorm.

 

[Novan Leon]

Why all the worry about socializing? I didn't think class time was time to look for a girlfriend.... Really are people that inept at interacting with people that school is the only way to make friends/gf/bf, you would see members of the opposite sex after school during breaks, when your about town, with friends. Separating the classroom doesn't stop you from interacting.

Agreed. Besides, this whole "gender segregation/homeschooling = social ineptitude" argument is complete bunk. Until someone can explain exactly what advanced social skills they've acquired during their time in public school that gives them an edge in society, I remain unconvinced.

 

[BubbleGumSnareDrum]

Great then lets just make school a giant day care, where people can socialize to their hearts content. We can have a snack bar, some videogames, a few play areas. It will be awesome!
Nope school is there to learn things, to learn to think and analyze, the social aspect is just a side effect of the large group of people. Plus time in the CLASSROOM is not meant for socializing between the sexes there is time in between classes and after school for that.

I think I need to further edit my OP to just say classes. ugh

I see you're a Christian, conservative American. So naturally you're under the impression that the American schooling system is an effective and legitimate one, yes? I'll give you a hint; factually speaking, it is not, and in fact we have one of the most ridiculed state-run school systems of any major nation. High school especially is a very social environment and as far as actual learning and knowledge goes, I learned very little from teachers. I spend a lot of time learnin on my own time whether I am in schooling or not and if other people did the same the American schooling system would not be held in the regard that it is by so many of the ignorant people in our country. In my economics class they didn't even teach us how to balance a checkbook. I'm not an idiot and thus have known how to do that since I was 10 or 11, but I can guarantee you that somewhere right now a HS senior is sitting in an econ class and is being taught vague economic terms that have nothing to do with the way our goofball lie of an economy works.

There is no reason to segregate schools again. We moved past that on a large scale a long time ago with race and it needs to stay that way if we ever plan to evolve as a species. I'm sorry if that word [evolve] burned a little bit when you read it, it's just what I've been doing as a secular anti-political anti-government thought criminal.

 

[Sir Ollie]

In class i would say yes, because out of experience in my school we did alot better without girls in the class to well i say disturb but there are the guys who always try to impress the girls by doing something stupid, and the same can be said about girls. I would not have a problem in class time separating.

 

[guardian001]

Nope school is there to learn things, to learn to think and analyze, the social aspect is just a side effect of the large group of people. Plus time in the CLASSROOM is not meant for socializing between the sexes there is time in between classes and after school for that.

Okay, since you appear to have totally ignored my other post, I'll cut the main Idea out and put it here for you to read.

What happens when they get to a mixed workplace environment, and they have no idea how to interact in a structured environment? they will only know how to socialize, since they never learned how to work effectively with the opposite gender. Really this would only make the situation worse in the long run. better to have them learning how to interact in school, when they can afford to be wasting a little time, than when they have a job and can be fired for their total lack of ability to work with the opposite gender.

 

[jamesworkshop]

I dont see the point at the end of the day 2+2 equals 4 I dont see how gender is going to effect someones ability to learn a fact

 

[Ballistic Bum]

Hell no. This would cause way too many problems. I don't even want to begin to list them.