Not taking sides on who's right or wrong, but where exactly are all these studies to show either way? Until you do that, it's all just assumptions.Novan Leon said:
Poll: Segregating schools: A Good Idea?
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I would die inside!! Most of my friends are men and I often find the others of my gender to be backstabbing whores....so I would hate life if all I had to talk to all day were other women, no offense to gals and I do have a few wonderful ladies in my life, but when I listen to most teenage girls' conversations these days...I shake my head and try not to lose IQ points by the second...No thank you!!
Our school segregates only two mandatory classes, Composition and Life Management Skills (LMS for short), for a good reason and that's because LMS is about dealing rather touchy subjects sometimes (sex, drugs, racism) and it alternates with Composition daily (one day Composition, one day LMS), so then, it's a good idea, but the rest of our classes have both genders. In those classes, the atmosphere is open because the members are more familiar with each other.
Anyway, I think that classes like LMS (Sex Ed, etc.) should be segregated for the sake of comfort, but every class in the school should be kept co-ed for the sake of social and emotional development.
Like others have said, it's not worth a few points to reduce interaction with the opposite sex.
Anyway, I think that classes like LMS (Sex Ed, etc.) should be segregated for the sake of comfort, but every class in the school should be kept co-ed for the sake of social and emotional development.
Like others have said, it's not worth a few points to reduce interaction with the opposite sex.
Recently ive been collecting (yes, collecting) reports of friends of mine who went from a segregated secondary school to higher education only to go bat shit crazy at the leap. School should be a work up to real life. Complete protection only makes the eventual exposure much worse.
This is the exact point I agree on. I think it's a horrible idea. Without the different sexes within a classroom, you won'thave that varied social interactions. Plus, like stated above, the knowing your own sexuality would be harder if everyone was opprssing theirs on you.Larenxis said:
Is that because they don't agree with you? Being of another opinion than you doesn't count as being uninformed.Joeshie said:
I can show you studies proving anything, really, if you want me to. I can prove that every one of 20, or 30 or 60 different ways is the best one to teach people, to educate (I'd need a budget a few years for that), I could also fake the results if that's desired.
The thing is that studies like these never consider everything. On it's own, with no other factors involved, measuring only how much knowledge we can cram into someone's head, then yes. Segregation in schools is good, as much of it as possible.
However, if we include other factors, background, bullies, individual traits, family situation, and then measure more things, like how people will work in society later, how people will react in social situations, how the education will change after a sudden change of enviroment (from segregation to mixed, or instance), then the results will be different.
And again, this is a classic case of not going to the source, and attacking the problem where it would cause the best results. Segregation between genders might have a small, very small, impact on study results short term. Segregation between individuals based on their performance, and education based on their level would inste raise study results everywhere drastically, for everone, on a long-term basis.
all boys catholic school doesnt sound like a very good idea to me.......though i hate catholocism.my dads familys catholic....and fucking mentalnova18 said:Yeah I agree, my cousin who lives in Ireland went to an all boys Catholic School where as I went to a British mixed school. We both have similar results academically, I have a better Maths grade but he has a better Science, which is the only difference.joystickjunki3 said:
On his last visit he admitted that he often did not know how to interact with females, because he had no experience from his school life, where as I have no trouble talking to girls and can hold down relationships.
So my personal opinion is that whilst grades are not going to greatly differ with segregation, the social effects will alter the students attitudes towards the opposite sex, most likely for the worst.
Agreed, I was slightly worried when I saw the title. People may be under the impression that your suggesting a kind of pre-Civil Rights Movement style segregation.Ionami said:
EDIT: Just re-read the OP and read your idea about segregating classes instead of whole schools, now this seems more reasonable. The benefits of added concentration are there but there would still be an opportunity to socialize with opposite genders during breaks.
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I disagree, the only schools that are single sex are private, expensive schools. They usually test applicants, even very young children. They get better scores not because of the segregation but because they start with brighter students. Compare this to the (greatly more common) schools who will take anyone and it's obvious why you would see an improvement from public to private schools.Valiance said:
I went to your standard school and, though I did plenty of flirting, it was my friendships with other males that caused the most disruption to classes. Kids don't like to pay attention, girls are just one of many things we can be distracted by.
Children who don't interact much with the opposite sex, don't skip the stages of social development many of us go through in high/senior school. They will simply have to experience it when they go to University or out into the real world and then it can be far more damaging.
Segregating classes is a good idea, because alot of studies lean towards the idea that boys and girls learn differently therefore they should be taught differently. There is a trend towards academic disadvantages in "co- ed" schools (what some people call schools with both males and females) and there is a trend towards social disadvantages in single- sex schools. Note that I say trend... I went to an all- boys school and we all knew girls our age. Obviously some knew alot and some knew not many but these sort of debates tend to exxagerate the social effect of being in a single- sex school. It isn't as bad as some people tend to make out, it isn't like the first time I saw a girl my age was after I started University. I'm also sure that both- gender schools aren't just packed with people shirtless lying all over each other.
I'd say the academic effect is the same. Boys and girls do learn differently and tend to be better (going off general trends) in some areas rather than others. The thing to realise though is that we all know people who didn't do well but went to a single- sex school and we know someone who did very well at a school with both genders.
I think the quality of a school's teachers and facilities is far more of a factor in how a child performs than whether there are girls there.
So, to me the fact that a school only has one gender isn't as important compared tp whether it has state of the art classrooms and libraries and sporting facilities. If someone really did have the energy to design a school based around segregation though, I think the school should have boys and girls, but the classes should be single-sex. That gives you the best of both worlds.
I'd say the academic effect is the same. Boys and girls do learn differently and tend to be better (going off general trends) in some areas rather than others. The thing to realise though is that we all know people who didn't do well but went to a single- sex school and we know someone who did very well at a school with both genders.
I think the quality of a school's teachers and facilities is far more of a factor in how a child performs than whether there are girls there.
So, to me the fact that a school only has one gender isn't as important compared tp whether it has state of the art classrooms and libraries and sporting facilities. If someone really did have the energy to design a school based around segregation though, I think the school should have boys and girls, but the classes should be single-sex. That gives you the best of both worlds.
I don't agree with something just because a study says it does.Joeshie said:
Also, regardless of what the studies say, my fellow man is better at distracting me mid-class than girls no matter how hot or scary the girls are. Girls could just say something to a guy in between classes that distracts them all day. 90% of my interruptions that are big enough to distract me from listening that happen in the middle of class are from my gender.
Well after reading the OP I can say this.
We've tried it before. It did not work out well. There were considerable loss of female rights, etc etc. And the birth of Wymen, and Chauvanism.
I'd rather we didn't go down that road again please.
But since its just classes you are suggesting....well to be honest there's not much point since flirting doesn't affect grades. Idiocy does. People who are too stupid to realise the 'clown' in the class is not entertaining by showing he has the IQ and maturity of a 5 year old who just heard his first fart joke.
Wanna increase grades? Develop a way to bring mental maturity forward to the age of...whenever they start school. They'll focus better and realise that you should ostracise the morons and not the geeks. After all, later in life you'll be working for one (a geek that is).
We've tried it before. It did not work out well. There were considerable loss of female rights, etc etc. And the birth of Wymen, and Chauvanism.
I'd rather we didn't go down that road again please.
But since its just classes you are suggesting....well to be honest there's not much point since flirting doesn't affect grades. Idiocy does. People who are too stupid to realise the 'clown' in the class is not entertaining by showing he has the IQ and maturity of a 5 year old who just heard his first fart joke.
Wanna increase grades? Develop a way to bring mental maturity forward to the age of...whenever they start school. They'll focus better and realise that you should ostracise the morons and not the geeks. After all, later in life you'll be working for one
(a geek that is).
It begins with segregating schools by gender...
It ends with flying planes into skyscrapers. Just saying.
It ends with flying planes into skyscrapers. Just saying.
They already have private schools that do it, so theres no need to do it for public.
And anyways, how are us computer geeky guys, supposed to even see what we are missing out of in real life, if you were to take that out of schools? (You know, assuming you are still in school. + in 'reality' where you have to 'work for a living', you probably arne't going to see any hawt girls like that again where you actually stand a chance.... Unless your bill gates)
And anyways, how are us computer geeky guys, supposed to even see what we are missing out of in real life, if you were to take that out of schools? (You know, assuming you are still in school. + in 'reality' where you have to 'work for a living', you probably arne't going to see any hawt girls like that again where you actually stand a chance.... Unless your bill gates)
of course schools shouldnt be segregated by gender, or by anything at all. I understand what your saying to an extent about the whole dating thing, because for kids that can get in the way, but that is part of being a kid is learning to interact with the opposite sex. there is more to learn in school then what the teachers teach you i.e social skills and interacting with peers
Mmm...there are a lot of aspects to this.
On base logic level, dividing two distinct sorts of people is inevetably going to create a divide between them. Men and women have a hard enough time dealing with each other; imagine how hard it would be if the two of them were unable to see one another until they were twenty.
There's also the idea that creating a divide during youth encourages a constand divide. Imagine having different resturants, hotels, buisinessess and whatnot for men and women. It might very well happen. A divide like that also creates problems (naturally).
On the other hand, you would have better acedemic records, and it might lower the population by quite a fair bit. Both...reasonably good things, I suppose.
So, yes, you may have a better acedemic record, but would that be worth the harm to society? No. I don't think so. If someone wants their child sent to a sterile envornment, they can send them to a private school.
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On base logic level, dividing two distinct sorts of people is inevetably going to create a divide between them. Men and women have a hard enough time dealing with each other; imagine how hard it would be if the two of them were unable to see one another until they were twenty.
There's also the idea that creating a divide during youth encourages a constand divide. Imagine having different resturants, hotels, buisinessess and whatnot for men and women. It might very well happen. A divide like that also creates problems (naturally).
On the other hand, you would have better acedemic records, and it might lower the population by quite a fair bit. Both...reasonably good things, I suppose.
So, yes, you may have a better acedemic record, but would that be worth the harm to society? No. I don't think so. If someone wants their child sent to a sterile envornment, they can send them to a private school.
Apologies Abound