Poll: Sexism?
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Really? I put mine across my knee on a regular basis.tennisace said:
It isn't really sexist either, although it does encourage lazy males to dress up as women to get you to open doors for them, get to sit down on busses when you get up, etc.
Well, I think you'll find that a large majority of women would want a man to open and hold the door for them. From my experience, I believe it makes them women feel special and good about themselves that a man would care. Of course I can't speak for everyone. And if you do run into one of those feminists that gets angry at you for holding the door for them, just shrug, walk inside first, and then slam the door in her face.
As said above a lot of gentlemanly behavior had its roots in sexism but just as much of it was about being polite. Being polite is a good thing. Pushing in a seat is a little awkward because part of it has to do with protecting women from falling (thank you ballroom dance teacher). I'd rather the courtesy weren't motivated by my gender but I'm certainly not going to berate someone for being nice to me. That would be stupid.
I'm not saying I know anything about the opposite sex (haven't had a date in my entire life *cry*)but I think a girl who think being polite is sexist is insane.
I tend to hold doors and stuff open for everyone. But for female friends and my girlfriend I hold out chairs and car doors, etc.
I will, however, not restrain myself from hitting a girl if she bloody starts it and she is serious about it.
And I don't think it is outdated, just somewhat rare. It's not a bad thing, it's not implying anyone is weak or needs the help, it's just polite and kind of sweet.
I will, however, not restrain myself from hitting a girl if she bloody starts it and she is serious about it.
And I don't think it is outdated, just somewhat rare. It's not a bad thing, it's not implying anyone is weak or needs the help, it's just polite and kind of sweet.
Also, that.Simon Hadow said:
If you're a gentleman, you are polite to both genders: you merely reserve certain types of polite behavior for the opposite sex. There's no reason to claim it's because women are considered inferior; it could be considered along the lines of competitive marketing in the "seller's market" of men if one had to, though. For me, treating people equally doesn't demand pretending that both genders are the same and treating them both rudely.
Call me old-fashioned, but I believe that you offer to take a friend's coat at the door and offer a lady your coat if she's cold: there are biological reasons for her to feel colder than you anyway. It's the same courtesy you extend to breaking up physical fights between male friends. In both of these cases there's a sort of stereotype to initial state expectation, but a true gentleman is also going to do what he can to break up a physical fight between women (shut up, you) and offer his coat to the guy stupid enough to wear a sleeveless shirt.
You hold the door open for everybody, regardless. It's just what you do.
Call me old-fashioned, but I believe that you offer to take a friend's coat at the door and offer a lady your coat if she's cold: there are biological reasons for her to feel colder than you anyway. It's the same courtesy you extend to breaking up physical fights between male friends. In both of these cases there's a sort of stereotype to initial state expectation, but a true gentleman is also going to do what he can to break up a physical fight between women (shut up, you) and offer his coat to the guy stupid enough to wear a sleeveless shirt.
You hold the door open for everybody, regardless. It's just what you do.
Thanks man. Yeah, its Mr. Snugglesworth. When I made the name I had no idea this forum allowed spacing in names, so I just made it Mrsnugglesworth.Jarrid said:
i had something like that, i was holding the door for a couple ppl, both men and women, and a lady goes walking thru and goes "i can do that myself thank you" so i said "fine do just that" and the pushed her out of the way and pulled the door closed behind meJabbawocky said:
the best part was some other lady looks at me and goes "wow she was a real *****, you were just being nice" as she was laughing a bit
the issue i've been finding lately is they don't want equality they want more, ie you can't hit a woman but a woman can hit you all she wants or saying how hot and sexy guys are and so forth but complaining if guys say "omg she was so hot" or hanging pics of firefighters but complaining about women in bikinis
It depends on where you draw the line on being a gentleman. If it's basic courtesy (as in opening/holding doors for everyone, or helping everyone whenever possible), you're good. The issue most people take is that this kind of politeness is extended as an attempt to prove yourself, rather than out of a sincere desire to be helpful.tennisace said:
The only girls who have ever taken exception to it (in my experience) are ones who see men only being gentlemen toward women they want to sleep with. I've had women mention to me that if they hadn't seen me being courteous toward everyone, they would think I was trying to be manipulative.
It also depends on how much of an imposition it is. Holding a door for someone is nice, and if you happen to get to a door first, holding it for someone is nice. If you're having to rush past and sidestep them to do it, it's less about politeness and more about you showing off. Same thing with holding a chair. There's no real purpose to it, and it's counter-productive in most cases.
If it's politeness for the sake of politeness, more power to you and to hell with anyone who complains. If you're showing how gallant you are, you're being a jerk. If you're only using it as a tactic to get a girl you like to like you back, you're being a jerk.
This is one for the books, Labyrinth and I agree.Labyrinth said: