Poll: Should homosexuality be considered a criminal offense/act? Also, what's your view on Morality?

[acosn]

People in at least one african nation are in danger of being fucking executed for being gay.

I have very little problem with the idea of cultural imperialism for the purposes of preventing the institutionalized murder of thousands.

It's archaic, but at the end of the day it's not really our place to step in and tell them how to do things. Unfortunately while it may be well intended to step in and stop blatant murder, you ultimately only treat the symptoms of a much larger disease.


People tend to ignore their own history, or much more so, how long it took for homosexuality to even be recognized as acceptable in the west.

 

[Muspelheim]

Well, I suppose if they so wish, it's their right to remain locked in the bronze age. But then it is also our right to stop funding them until they begin to progress. Is it unfair to require them to meet a certain standard? Yes, I suppose it is. But in the end, it will benefit everyone, simple as that.

It's archaic, but at the end of the day it's not really our place to step in and tell them how to do things. Unfortunately while it may be well intended to step in and stop blatant murder, you ultimately only treat the symptoms of a much larger disease.


People tend to ignore their own history, or much more so, how long it took for homosexuality to even be recognized as acceptable in the west.

That's true, it's been one helluva long, depressing story. But it's undeniable that we're getting somewhere, and so could everyone. Furthermore, some cultural phenomenoms are simply... Stupid, and detrimental to a developing society overall. I don't think such things should be considered sacred and untouchable. I'm sure there are at least one such phenomenom in my own culture I can't notice for all the trees, however. It's a difficult question.

 

[Tselis]

All they are trying to do is to stop people from being executed for being attracted to the same sex as they are. I don't believe in CI, because variety is the spice of live. That being said, I also don't believe that it should be a criminal offense to love someone that society deems 'wrong' for you to love. What you do on you own time is for you alone, so long as it is between consenting adults. Honestly, humanity as a whole needs to stop being so fucking nosey. I pose these two questions to all of you who feel homosexuality should be criminalized, and that it is wrong in the eyes of God; 1)How does it hurt you (physically, finalcially, tangibly) for two men, or two women to have sex, and if it doesn't why are you so worked up about it? 2)How do you know what is and isn't 'wrong' in the eyes of God, do you have a direct line (ala Bat phone) to heaven, if not, then how do you honestly know? (And no, you may not point to a moldy, 2000 year old text that has been retranslated and edited so many times that we don't actually know what the original said. Or did you not know why it's called the King James' version?) Okay, so maybe that was more than two, but whatever ..

 

[Madara XIII]

Ok Escapist community, this is a two part question, the first on justification for cultural imperialism and the second on the different views of morality.


NOTE: For the poll answers, CI stands for Cultural Imperialism, MU stands for Moral Universalism, MR stands for Moral Relativism, an MN stands for Moral Nihilism.

*Reads the title of the thread*

Oh shit! Head for the Flame Bunker!!!!

First: Homosexuality should in no way be considered a criminal act. EVER!!
Secondly: I believe in Moral Universalism.

Feel free to ask why if needed. Just don't plan on a debate. I'm busy with video editing at the moment.

[HEADING=1]DAMMIT YOUTUBE UPLOADER! Y U NO FASTER!?[/HEADING]

 

[DevilMayhem666]

As long as it's consensual I don't care.

 

[Madara XIII]

*Reads the title of the thread*

Oh shit! Head for the Flame Bunker!!!!

Secondly I believe in Moral Universalism.

Feel free to ask why if needed. Just don't plan on a debate. I'm busy with video editing at the moment.

[HEADING=1]DAMMIT YOUTUBE UPLOADER! Y U NO FASTER!?[/HEADING]

Why do you believe in Moral Universalism (and what the hell does that mean)? Does it have anything to with how YOU AREN'T ACTUALLY MADARA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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-Kurama fury-

Pfffft If anything I'd say I'm the essence of what Madara stands for.
So QED: I'm Madara

Well I do believe in a Moral Universalism mostly because despite what others say I believe that there can be a universal right and wrong.
After all Murder is still highly frowned upon, not just by certain cultures, but through a humanistic point of view I can see no justification of murder no matter what the situation.

NOTICE how I said Murder. Not Killing

 

[Iron Lightning]

Fuck any country that criminalizes victimless, non-reckless acts.

nuff' said

 

[Frostwhisper21]

Who the hell considers this a Criminal act besides fundies? I'm curious, really.

It's shocking really, that people consider this harmful to others in any rational way whatsoever.

Nevermind that saying it's choice is like saying I choose to be attracted to skinny white women.

Nevermind that there are more than two sexes (I've been told 1/2000 babies are born without genitals, and 80% are just given vaginas because it's easier, evidently).

Nevermind that sex and gender are not the same thing.

I'm starting to think that the ones who think this and are also bible-thumpers only say they're Christian because they were raised so and never thought for themselves for once...believe because they're told to, I suppose.

Anyway, I do think that we try to impose our beliefs onto others. Hell, we do it all the time in our own borders here in America. (Prayer in School, War on Christmas, Abortion Rights, Marijuana and other drugs are bad but Alcohol, Tobacco, and Obesity aren't as bad!)

I do agree with some other poster(s) though, Culture is such a poor way of identifying oneself- there is little choice, thought, or achievement yet people still use it to define themselves. I just think that many people don't really choose to act cultural, they just accept it because that's what they were raised in (like some religious people).

 

[chadachada123]

People in several african nations are being fucking executed for being gay.

I have very little problem with the idea of cultural imperialism for the purposes of preventing the institutionalized murder of thousands.

far enough, but what about when it doesn't involve such extreme forms of punishment? Would you also be in favor of Western nations if they tried to manipulate Saudi Arabia to change their laws on prohibiting women from driving? Or would you feel that, regardless of what your culture might say, they also have a right to practice their own culture and enforce such laws?

We certainly shouldn't give any aid whatsoever to a government that endorses that kind of shit. We should not give any money to Saudi Arabia when they are, by far, one of the worst countries in the Middle East as far as rights go. (Helping individual people like the UN does is different, we should help individuals).

They have a "right" to their own culture, but they have no such rights to our tax-dollars.

 

[Astoria]

They can rationalise homosexuality being immoral all they want, it doesn't mean it should be illegal. Religion/morality should have no place when it comes to making laws. Does being gay hurt others? Of course not so it shouldn't be illegal. Laws are meant to keep society intact, not tell people how they should live their lives.

 

[Ulquiorra4sama]

To accept that there's some kind of universal moral rule that applies to everyone would imply we accept limits of the human mind and behavior. I don't buy into that 'cause i believe there's nothing the human psyche isn't capable of, and that goes for both the "bad" and the "good" extremes.

In that respect i say it IS cultural imperialism to impose western values on a nation that might not be ready to change some major paradigme (unsure of spelling) like religious faith or the punishment revolving around it.

That said i'm of the idea that people SHOULDN'T be killed for their beliefs no matter what they may be and like so i, personally, wouldn't label it as "bad" if western nations wanted to put that sort of restriction on laws in some african countries.

Personal thoughts all of it, hopefully i managed to convey it in a way that makes sense.

 

[The Dutchess]

Oppression of people on the basis of who they sleep with is wrong. Oppression of any subset of people is wrong. If the apartheid was still going on would you not intervene? Or do you think intervening would undermine the country's beliefs and values? No, because it's wrong to discriminate and wrong to oppress.

 

[Sixcess]

A century or so ago we* 'influenced' african nations by occupying their land, looting their natural resources and opressing the hell out of them. Now we do it by withholding foreign aid. I'd say that's progress.

[sub]*'we' meaning western Europe mostly. America hadn't really got into the imperialism game at that point...[/sub]

 

[Necrofudge]

It's cultural imperialism for a good cause, I guess. We're not the only country to ever impose our views on others.

At the very least, our views don't involve murdering innocent people and we might as well shove them down the throats of developing nations before some dictator does, turning a less-developed country into more of a shitter than it already is.

This could arguably be "morally wrong", but I guess I'd have to lean more toward moral nihilism in that neither view really means anything. The only difference is that our morals come from an arbitrary notion of equal rights while their morals come from an arbitrary rule in a religious text.