Poll: Should UK police be given guns as standard issue?
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Then the gangs should be killed. Plain and simple. There is no humane reason as to why a gang should exist in the first place. People shouldn't have to bow down to wrongdoing, ignorance, and the perceived "injustice" towards those who aren't trying to make themselves better human beings in society. If England controlled the ability to get firearms yet armed their own...it would be beneficial to the people of the UK entirely. (Yes. I know it comprises all four nations, but I shouldn't have to state that I obviously know.)Rawne1980 said:
I am American. I come from a smaller town. I will not tell the Brits how to run their country (so long as they do the same). So here is my stance: Guns, maybe, for EMERGANCYS ONLY, as in return fire. What the local Sheriff/Police departments do is if you draw your weapon and it is not a warning shot or return fire, you are kick out of the force. However, a good idea would be standard-issue Tasers. I know the local Sheriff/Police department does that, and about the only crimes are high-speed chases (rare) and robbery (also rare).
Guns vs arsehole youths throwing bricks and bottles. Yeah, can see how that would look bad.
But tasers and rubber bullets/bean bag guns for crowd control is fine. As is tear gas. Yes its good police have PC rules to treat people a certain way. But when trouble comes, then PC goes out the window and upholding the law starts. An it should use its main weapons straight away instead of watching youths burn the place down.
As soon as it started, and the youths didnt back down and disperse. BAM. Tear gas. Rubber bullets and baton charges. Show them who is boss and that they wont take this shit in london. Also show the many innocents that they are protected, as is their property. These rioters are criminals, and should be treated as such. They have no rights as they took those off every innocent person that has the right to live and work without having to put up with these scumbags.
But tasers and rubber bullets/bean bag guns for crowd control is fine. As is tear gas. Yes its good police have PC rules to treat people a certain way. But when trouble comes, then PC goes out the window and upholding the law starts. An it should use its main weapons straight away instead of watching youths burn the place down.
As soon as it started, and the youths didnt back down and disperse. BAM. Tear gas. Rubber bullets and baton charges. Show them who is boss and that they wont take this shit in london. Also show the many innocents that they are protected, as is their property. These rioters are criminals, and should be treated as such. They have no rights as they took those off every innocent person that has the right to live and work without having to put up with these scumbags.
Per capita, according to the statistics found here [http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita] the UK is ranked 32nd on firearm homicides, and America is 8th. We have a problem with knife crime because guns aren't as neccessary, but I'd rather have the higher chance of escape when confronted with a knife, than with a gun. In totals, America is 3rd, and the UK is still 32nd.ShadowKatt said:
Why do we need greater gun proliferation again?
We have gun police in the UK. They are the ones that were called in to deal with the situation. And they did.pandasaw said:
I agree with this. And if there's one thing that pisses me off about the Escapist, it's how quickly supposedly intelligent people degenerate into a Fox News like generalization and removal of context about guns. it's childish. If the police had guns, their presence would stop more crimes. Guns are just as useful as symbols as they are as weapons. There would obviously be protocol, and in any case, police carrying guns =/= gunning down "innocent" rioters. This isn't like a video game where both teams get the same weapons spawning. Police being given guns doesn't automatically equal guns for the masses. Not any more than it already is. Yes, we have teams to go in and stop major gun crime and such, but I see no valid reason why police shouldn't at least be more frequently issued with sidearms.ShadowKatt said:
The initial protest for the whole police shooting a guy thing was peaceful. These rioters do not in fact give a shit, they just took a half baked excuse for rioting and looting.
people will run from those friggin sticks, not from guns. i think its just an era that they need to step into. whether or not they use them correctly or justified is of their own volition.
Using a few days of rioting as a reason. What about this.binnsyboy said:
America. Guns - Check. School shooting - Check. Crime - Check. Innocent kids finding their dads arsenal and blowing their friend away by accident. Check. Need i go on? Their are more deaths in america and a huge prision population. And still america has the most crime. Guns have not helped one bit.
Arm the hell out of the police. It's scary that people in ultra-liberal Europe view guns in such a negative, insane light. The only problem in America is that the lower ranks of society believe that an armed policeman has this ability to "persecute them" and in a sense feel threatened with an ignorant, falsehood of a reason.
Guess what? It's usually the guy who ends up getting tazed, beaten down, or otherwise "becomes a victim of police brutality" who was the one that started the conflict in the first place. People just refuse to humble around their governmental authorities. They think the very idea is beneath them in some respect. Police officers have to go through HELL in their day to day lives. Nobody gives them respect, they are always scrutinized for using bare essential force, are underpaid, and treated like shit when they are meant to be given a good amount of respect.
And no. Quoting me a few links about actual police brutality isn't going to reshape my opinion or give your argument favoritism/seem better. Those are just the ones reported. Even then what consitutes as police brutality is up to opinion. The poor, lesser educated, ignorant fool in the world will ALWAYS without reason believe he or she is being persecuted by the police officer regardless of what the reason is.
Are ALL cops good? No. There are some obvious bad ones.
However, the overall majority of them are good guys who just want to do their part in society and then go home to their wife and kids. Obeying them in an honest matter means nothing bad happens at the end of the day. Get over yourself Mr. "Police Brutality Victim".
Guess what? It's usually the guy who ends up getting tazed, beaten down, or otherwise "becomes a victim of police brutality" who was the one that started the conflict in the first place. People just refuse to humble around their governmental authorities. They think the very idea is beneath them in some respect. Police officers have to go through HELL in their day to day lives. Nobody gives them respect, they are always scrutinized for using bare essential force, are underpaid, and treated like shit when they are meant to be given a good amount of respect.
And no. Quoting me a few links about actual police brutality isn't going to reshape my opinion or give your argument favoritism/seem better. Those are just the ones reported. Even then what consitutes as police brutality is up to opinion. The poor, lesser educated, ignorant fool in the world will ALWAYS without reason believe he or she is being persecuted by the police officer regardless of what the reason is.
Are ALL cops good? No. There are some obvious bad ones.
However, the overall majority of them are good guys who just want to do their part in society and then go home to their wife and kids. Obeying them in an honest matter means nothing bad happens at the end of the day. Get over yourself Mr. "Police Brutality Victim".
QFFT!!!The_root_of_all_evil said:
Honestly when have guns ever EVER made things better in any terms? Oh sure we may end the riots and may be fine for a while... then the rioters, thugs and all manner of scum will pick up guns and then ooohhh will we be red faced..... red in the colour OF BLOOD!!!
So yeah, guns. Not a good idea. Riots have been tame as it is.
Lethal force on rioters wont stop riots because it will encourage more people to join in. Beanbag rounds will stop rioters and allow them to tell others that they hurt like a ***** and that they probably dont want to do something stupid.
Of course beanbag rounds are shot from 12 gauge shotguns. Just the image of a shotgun firing stinging do-not-want at several hundred fps will slow down the riots. Besides the rioters were hiding in amongst people who were actually just demonstrating so live fire isnt a good plan.
Now if the entire fucking crowd starts burning shops thats a different story.
on another note:
If it was my shop and I saw someone trying to burn it, and there were people inside, your damn fucking straight I would put a bullet into them before they torched the building. I might even put in 2 or 3.
Of course beanbag rounds are shot from 12 gauge shotguns. Just the image of a shotgun firing stinging do-not-want at several hundred fps will slow down the riots. Besides the rioters were hiding in amongst people who were actually just demonstrating so live fire isnt a good plan.
Now if the entire fucking crowd starts burning shops thats a different story.
on another note:
If it was my shop and I saw someone trying to burn it, and there were people inside, your damn fucking straight I would put a bullet into them before they torched the building. I might even put in 2 or 3.
Even if I generally feel that the British police force, especially the MET, can be a bunch of idiots, I feel safer knowing that if the general rank and file make a mistake, it's going to be in the region of a baton to the face or too much pepper-spray. CT forces and armed response units should (I don't know whether they are) be held to a higher standard and by creating the distinction you help create a difference in mentality.
The amount of accidental police shootings in the UK are definitely a lot lower than the US, as are the number of times the police feel unmatched against criminals, due to the lack of a general gun -> SMG -> assault rifle + body armour type of escalation, instead relying on specially tasked units for critical situations.
The amount of accidental police shootings in the UK are definitely a lot lower than the US, as are the number of times the police feel unmatched against criminals, due to the lack of a general gun -> SMG -> assault rifle + body armour type of escalation, instead relying on specially tasked units for critical situations.
