Poll: Should Xbox Silver have Multiplayer?

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AgentBJ09

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No. Gold is Gold for a reason: it is a paid service that allows access to data before free users, as well as services that cost money to service and keep running.

For all of you who think Silver/Free should have multiplayer just because others do, let's look at this from a economical perspective.

Say you're running a service out of a personal business that people have to pay for to use, LAN based gaming for instance. You charge 5 dollars an hour for the service and provide the games as well. That money can go to nearly anything: cleaning the store, improving the computers, providing rewards for loyal customers, ect.

Now, imagine that someone opened another service like this nearby and charged nothing for the same service. Would you do the same in response?

As a Business major, I would not change my services just because my competitor thinks differently. I would instead keep my business as is because I have customers who pay to receive a superior service. They would like it to be free, I'm sure, but here's why that's a poor business move.

If you are running a service that costs money to maintain, you cannot have it free unless you are taking in extra revenue elsewhere to cover the overhead costs. Now, Nintendo and Sony can make this service free if they like; that's their decision. However, there a few things that need pointing out.

First, Nintendo's online service is barren of good multiplayer content because most Japanese players game at home or in places like a gaming cafe. They're not going to charge any money for the online services because barely anyone is using them. They instead allow the service free and charge you for micro-transactions of Virtual Console titles. As a result, updates and new channels are slow to come.

Next is the Playstation Plus, Sony's pay for perks service. Anyone who has paid attention to the Playstation Plus service should know that the only thing it has over Gold on XBOX Live right now is the reduced prices on DLC and games you buy online, as well as full game trials. It does not guarantee a better online multiplayer service even though you are paying for it. Like Nintendo, Sony can absorb most of the costs since they make a lot of money on Sony branded stuff.

Lastly, PC gaming. Not much to point out here besides the fact that many gaming services that you pay for in some way are often superior to those you don't. Sure, Steam is free, but the service has gaming ads everywhere else, which provide some revenue to pay for the servers.

In short, Free and Gold should remain as they are. Now, I don't play multiplayer, unless it's a very special occasion, so a 1 month subscription is fine at those times. So, if I don't pay to play multiplayer, you may be thinking why should I support Gold? The answer is simple: because the service is for people who want to play multiplayer and are dedicated to spending time doing so.

It is not there for folks like me, and I will admit that. I use the Free service to browse for demos and videos and catch up on some Microsoft news. I have no need to pay for Gold since I don't use it, but I like the fact that during the times I do use Silver, it's reliable and responsive, unlike other 'free' services.

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Arehexes

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If I'm going to pay for gold anymore I want to make custom stuff like PC servers can do. AND I WANT MY TF2 UPDATE #_#.
 

Erana

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Wait, people are arguing for the Xbox live charge? We are talking about Microsoft, right? I'm all for money going to the people who work hard in the gaming industry, but the thing about the Xbox live charge that bothers me is that its Microsoft that profits, not the game devs.
 

AzrealMaximillion

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arc1991 said:
Azaraxzealot said:
thahat said:
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NO, that's what Gold is for.

In life you get what you pay for.

Paying for an online service = tech support, regular updates, improving service, server upkeep etc


Imagine if WOW was free to play, no updates, no fixes of bugs, no online support, no large servers, no dedicated servers (if there was they would be small and laggy/unstable) etc etc..


Sorry but I have both a PS3 and 360. XBox live is far, far better that PS online. There is simply no comparison in terms of quality of service.

It's why in the real world you don't hear people complaining about their rolls royce/bentley but talk to someone with a trebant/skoda and they can give you a list of faults.
soo how about the pc games never pay for multiplayer XD? according to me, the price of multiplayer is already in the price of your game ( roughly 60 bucks times ohh maybe a few million does that for a person.. )
well, unlike with PCs, for consoles you don't have to worry as much about another player having an unfair advantage because they have a "better system" with "higher specs"

but you SHOULD have to pay for Gold since the console itself is making microsoft lose money (they sell it cheaper than it costs to produce)

and if you dont like it? invest in single-player games (that works just fine)
I agree with that statement^

And really? i didn't know the system was losing Microsoft money :O

If anything, they are being kind of generous selling it cheaper than it is to produce, although it's probably because of their rivals (Nintendo and Sony etc)
The console isn't losing money. Maybe at launch when it was $200 more, but now that the technology of the colsole is so easy to create they're making money selling 360s and PS3s.

Now for the topic. Silver should allow for multiplayer. Really that's the one thing that has me not purchasing a 360. People like to fool themselves by saying that the 360's online is better, but it's not. It really depends on the servers of the game you're playing. It's not like MS is hosting the 3rd party servers, so why charge for multiplayer? The only things an XBL Gold account gives you is access to the following:

Facebook(Which is free on PS3 and Wii)
Twitter (who cares, that's what a PC is for)
Netflix (which you have to buy a subscription for)(don't need a special account to buy this subscription on the PS3 and Wii)
Sky Player (which you have to buy a subscription for)
Last. Fm (who cares, that's what music players are for)
Video Chat (who cares, skype, MSN, and PS3 do this for free)
Party Chat (who cares?)
and Multiplayer (which is free on all other platforms)

So how is paying for the oppurtunity to pay for Movies and TV subscriptions is worth an extra $60?

How is paying $60 a year for services thatare offer for free on PS3, Wii and the PC worth it?
You probabaly won't need a Playstation Plus subscription to get Steamworks on the PS3 next year either.

They should just let Silver members play multiplayer at ther very least.
 

jpoon

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After having both XBL and PSN I can definitely say in my account XBL is just a bunch of stuff I don't need. PSN is equal in performance for most games I have seen, there's nothing worth an extra $60 a year on XBL that I don't already get for free on PSN. I would say free multiplayer silver and make your customers very happy!

Only my 2 cents.
 

Metazare

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To force your user base to pay for something that your competitors offer free of charge is foolish. What does live offer that PC and ps3 multiplayer doesn't? Cool little avatars that you can dress up like a digital barbie doll? Hardly seems worth it to me. They have their user base by the nads because if you don't pay their sub fee you can't access half of the game you already purchased. You can talk about how it goes to server upkeep and tech support, but it doesn't put any weight behind your argument when the competitors offer both for nothing.

They make people pay a sub fee because they know they can get away with doing it and people will pay it anyway. If the customers refused to pay for live, you would see the sub fee disappear pretty quickly. It was an experiment by microsoft to see how much more they could shake people down for and it worked. You're not getting a better service compared to anyone else, you're being robbed and saying "Thank you sir may I have another?"
 

Twilight_guy

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I'd like it, but its not going to happen.
Oh, well back to free multiplayer on TF2!
 

Atmos Duality

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Most games aren't even hosted over Xbox Live's network; they're hosted on the actual 360, or the Publisher's servers for that game.

In practice, Xbox Live is just a glorified webzone.
 

chronobreak

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mjc0961 said:
You should regret your inability to do research before purchasing. Whoever sold you a year of Xbox Live for $80 ripped you off and it's your own fault for not doing price comparisons and discovering this before putting down $80.

Also you can't factor in the router as part of the cost to owning a 360. If you would have needed a router to get your 360 online, you would have also needed it to get your PS3 online, or even your Wii if you had bought that instead.
Live is $10 a month. Multiply that by 12. Or hell, before the price change even, it was $8, now multiply that by 12. I'm not seeing the rip-off here, I am one of the many people who pay month-to-month, which is why they have those plans set up in the first place.

However, you are right about the router, I would have to have that either way.
 

Sun Flash

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Meh. I like my 360 exclusive (i.e, not on PS3/Wii) games and don't like PC Gaming. Plus I'm fortunate enough to have £40 to spend on yearly gold subscriptions.

Should Silver/Free have multiplayer? the Scrooge in me says yes, at which point I would stop paying. But as it stands I don't grudge paying it, as I believe I use it enough to warrant the money.
 

PxDn Ninja

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WOPR said:
TerribleAssassin said:
Yeah, considering quite a lot of people fork out extra money for that £40 wireless adapter, then having to pay more for online is ridculous.
I should note that the Slim comes with wireless

but what I'm getting at is you already PAY for the internet service (usually) so why should you pay extra?

this isn't WoW where it costs millions to keep the servers up per year
this is Xbox, where servers are user hosted!
There is a lot that goes into keeping the XBOX servers up and running. We have to test our titles against many requirements to keep in line with what the Live servers run, as well as making sure our own servers can connect to Live.

All this means there is a large overhead for Microsoft to keep the servers running. There is also an overhead on Sony's side to keep PSN up and running. Sony chooses to eat the loss and recoup it elsewhere in order to make the claim that their online network is indeed free. There choice, and a solid one, but don't lie yourself into believing that the XBOX Live system is free for MS to run.
 

soulasylum85

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in my opinion online gaming is superior on the 360 vs. wii and ps3. (i dont play pc games). so i dont mind paying what works out to $5 a month to have a superior service.
 

omega 616

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omega 616 said:
Considering there going to/have already jacked up the price it will never happen.

I think they should, I have never owned an 360 but it sounds like you guys get ripped off something fierce. High percentage of it going wrong, paying for adapters etc.

Although it would mean the end of such comments like "XBL shits on PSN 'cos we pay for it".
Meh I don't feel ripped off, I have great titles, a great online service. I don't always use the other applications but I quite like having Last.fm and Twitter on there.

But most importantly I can basically socialize, I sometimes just sit there on the PC with my headset plugged in talking to people in party.

I find £40 a year for all these services to be a damn good deal.
It is all just opinions. The main thing I do on mine is play games, as I would if I had a 360, so paying £40 a year to play games is a rip off to me.

I don't use home, the video player, the pictures feature, BBC iplayer, other than demo's I have downloaded 2 things off PSN, I have only sent and got a few messages, never used the chat feature, The friend system so far has yet to be used fully, I don't use the music features, I haven't got a PSP, the internet browser is awful, I have yet to watch a bluray on it and probably stuff I haven't even mentioned.
 

TheYellowCellPhone

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I don't own a 360, so needing Gold for Live is news to me. Rather angering news. I know it helps business, but I freaking hate the idea: any extra subscription fees should be able to play multiplayer, especially if I already bought the console and the game.

Before you say anything, I don't like MMOs, so don't use that argument.
 

Wintermoot

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yes but the whole concept of paying for online without using ANY OTHER EQUIPMENT BESIDES THE SYSTEM is pretty fucking greedy wich is also why some people spell Microsoft like this: Micro$oft and also the reason why I only play singleplayer and local multiplayer games on it
 

tgcPheonix

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Take Fable 3 as an example ...

Fable 3 Xbox 360 : RRP £49.99 + Gold Sub to play co-op...

Fable 3 PC : RRP £39.99

Silver should have multiplayer
 

Motiv_

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Yes, I think it should be free. But will it ever be? Nope.

Multiplayer is the main attraction of Gold. Literally everything else that you get with Gold can be gained on the PC or PS3 for free. So, if they wanted to make multiplayer free, they'd have to pull a PSN and make the whole service free.
 

viranimus

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Yes, in a limited capacity.

If its reached the level of greatest hits, Multiplayer should be opened to all.