Poll: *sigh* Why do school systems suck so much ass?

HontooNoNeko

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lifesucksadapt said:
School is about learning to be a drone and do as you're told. Just stick it out, don't make too many waves, and then when you get into the real world try and unlearn everything school taught you.

I agree with the above statement, not only do they teach you to be a drone before they do that, they will strip you of your individuallity and throw you into a pile of many other people in the same situation. One thing I noticed about my school system is that not only do they want me to conform to the drone way of life, they spend alot of their time bossing me and the other students around, laughing at us when we mess something up, and being super strict with the rules. Sorry im off topic, school sucks; everybody has to go through it and so what if you said the word fuck, its not a big deal to anybody but the school systems and since there isn't much you can do about it you might as well try to avoid words like those and be a good little drone. At least until you get out of there.
I find the entertaining part about this is that after they force you to conform into a single minded group the moment drugs gets tossed in they say don't give into peer pressure.
So they want me to submit my learning experience to the teachers like a mindless drone and disregard what ever anyone else is saying? Schools teach elitism quite well I might add.
 

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As a teacher the answer is yes.

Where I live the teacher is mandated by law to ensure the order and functioning of a good, safe learning environment for all students.

Allowing someone to flaunt a "fuck you" would be a slippery slope. If you let it go, next time what might someone get away with. Mostly you seem pissed that you got nailed but your friend did not.

The severity may seem a little intense, but why does one need to curse in a classroom. There are way more creative ways to curse at someone, the utterance of which would not bring trouble upon your head.

lifesucksadapt said:
School is about learning to be a drone and do as you're told. Just stick it out, don't make too many waves, and then when you get into the real world try and unlearn everything school taught you.

It is true that enculturalization is of paramount importance. Might I suggest you tell the very next cop you see "Fuck off". Then, you can be introduced to the circle of force, and perhaps come to understand that teachers enforce these rules for a reason. Or, less extremely, try it with your boss, then enjoy the starvation diet.

Most teachers really hate cracking down on their students, but the other options are far less tenable. A bad learning environment, or worse children who graduate from high school unable to function effectively in life. Typically these rules are aimed at the vast majority, to ensure that the greatest number possible leave school with an understanding of how to live in society as a good citizen.

Sorry if this is less than cogent.
 

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You didnt deserve ALL that, maybe a strict warning but thats it.

come to think of it, ive never had much school related problems, except for my algebra teacher. He makes you read the board aloud which is basically as long as this
then calls on someone else to repeat it, then over, and over, and over..........

Also, if you ask him a question about any problem, he fully answers everything BUT your question.

In his Study Halls, you can barely breathe without getting yelled at. If you turn around its a referal, and he gives a smart ass answer to EVERYTHING. I mean you're older than dust so like dust, just shut up and get off our porch of righteous education!!!! /rant
 

Kiju

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I don't think the question for this poll is 'Why do school systems suck?', so much as 'Why do schools crack down so hard on vulgar language?'

The answer? ...because they're trying to teach you to be polite. Yes, they went a little overboard on the punishment for cursing in the classroom, but I suppose it did get the message across, hm? You won't be telling your colleagues to fuck off when you're in the middle of a business conference unless you want your ass fired faster than you can get to the third letter in that word.
 

Yoshemo

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My pricipal, teachers, and even the lunch ladies swear and talk about their sex lives in front of, and even to the kids. And kids are allowed to swear in class (to a point.) My school also has 85% of kids on drugs...
 

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Generally schools are there to teach the rules of life, in theory you would not swear at a policeman unless you want to spend time in the cells. So why swear at a teacher? Why use disrespectful language around an authority figure?

Oh yeah I forget there just teachers, which means in this society of ours they are just slightly above Peadophiles in the social order! Politicians continuously speak of education but legislate against them, parents hate them for not instilling the morals they should have done and they certainly in Britain are one of the most abused and depressed professions in the UK.

Yeah it's a tough break when you have to follow seemingly arbitrary rules, just wait when your working and half your wages go on taxes for services you never use and you see M.P's using the money you could use to feed yourself for a year on getting their moat cleaned!

I am currently training to be a teacher despite all this! I must be mad!
As long as you don't become one of the teachers who is walked all over and has no authority. We had a teacher like that, she was a lovely woman but she couldn't control a class. She got locked in her cupboard by the shitty chavs on multiple occasions =/

And haha at the MP part, that whole scandal even pissed me off and I don't pay taxes yet. Jacqui Smith's husband was one of the worst, I mean buying porn with tax payer money is just taking the piss.
 

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Ok, so heres where the story starts. This morning, I make a joke about friend in guitar class, he laughs and flicks me off, and I tell him "Fuck you" in a joking manner. The teacher heard and then sent me to the (nazi) principals office where I was subsequently suspended from school for three days and told that if it happened again, I would be expelled and this would go on my record. Now, I'm not saying thats bad (It's basically a vacation), but, Is this proper punishment for something so harmless?

EDIT: It probably looks like I saw that "Texas boy suspended. . ." thread and made this one, but this actually happened, I just didn't notice the other thread.

My mate gave a teacher a Wedgey after class one day and he recieved 3 detentions for it, will go down as the funniest thing I've ever seen, the teachers arms flailing trying to grab his undies hahaha.

we were all scumbags at my school though

I think you got a very rough sentence on this one!
 

rekabdarb

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do a cartman from south park movie.

"Whats the big fucking deal, it doesn't hurt anyone... see watch FUCK FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK!"
 

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Yoshemo said:
My pricipal, teachers, and even the lunch ladies swear and talk about their sex lives in front of, and even to the kids. And kids are allowed to swear in class (to a point.) My school also has 85% of kids on drugs...
This should not be happening. I am sorry that you are not being taught by professionals!
 

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HontooNoNeko said:
I would say you deserve it but my opinion is biased based on how my school was. Any swear word was a suspension and saying "you want her" is considered sexual harassment. I was once suspended cause I was talking to some guys girlfriend, he asked "why you hitting on my girl?" and punched me in the face. Upon seeing this a teacher broke it up and the 3 of us got suspended cause any involvement in a fight is terms of suspension regardless of innocence.
That is an awesomely easily abused rule. Want to get someone in trouble and don't care what happens to you? Make sure there's a teacher around to notice, then walk up to whoever you don't like and punch them. It's like real live griefing. Awesome.
 

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BonsaiK said:
IHateDaManSkirt said:
BonsaiK said:
Couch_Ridden_Gamer said:
Ok, so heres where the story starts. This morning, I make a joke about friend in guitar class, he laughs and flicks me off, and I tell him "Fuck you" in a joking manner. The teacher heard and then sent me to the (nazi) principals office where I was subsequently suspended from school for three days and told that if it happened again, I would be expelled and this would go on my record. Now, I'm not saying thats bad (It's basically a vacation), but, Is this proper punishment for something so harmless?

EDIT: It probably looks like I saw that "Texas boy suspended. . ." thread and made this one, but this actually happened, I just didn't notice the other thread.
School is about learning to be a drone and do as you're told. Just stick it out, don't make too many waves, and then when you get into the real world try and unlearn everything school taught you.
Haha. That's what I do. Acts of civil disobedience towards my teachers come as second nature now. I may be a nerdy kid, but I usually try to cause as much frakin' funny shat as possible. On several occasions, I've out-smarted my teachers. Such as, bringing up the LHC and saying using "they" as a singular, genderless pronoun.
No no, that's not what I suggested at all. I said don't make too many waves. "Stick it out" doesn't mean "stick out your tongue", it means "suck it up". Don't do silly stuff, just get the work done, keep a low profile and get through it with the best scores you can.
Tried that in the beginning of the year, it got pretty boring and did not really have a great effect on my social life, which wasn't what I would call "flourishing" at the time. I, of course, let the brunt of all the stupidity around me go, but those teachers had it coming. One even called me something in Italian, that I didn't understand, for not having a red pen with me. Frankly, I just come up with puns in my head most of the time, but it bursts out into disobedience sometimes. Suppression is kind of unhealthy, you know. Anyway, I keep my grades up. Too nerdy to not do that. I'll try to follow your advice when Spring Break ends. Got any other advice?
 

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School systems are run by beurucrats, to them almost nothing's acceptable without at least 1 or 2 strips of red tape.

I simply do what I feel I should to slip pass the red tape, by doing certain things I like where either they can't do anything about it.

and I have to deal with the Spokane School District, which being in America, is all the more reason why I wish someone would remind them we live in an equal-oppotunity society, not a corporation.
 

DustyDrB

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Teacher pay is a big thing. Seriously, if salaries for a job are low then the job is less attractive, generates less competition, and those who make it through the system to become teachers will be subpar.

Money is mishandled often when the schools get them, though. Too much is spent on sports, while little generally goes to lab equipment, books, etc. I know when I was in high school, my textbooks were often the same ones used 8 years or more before, which is a lot of years, especially for any science textbook.
 

natster43

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That is kinda bullshit. They really should have just told you to not say that. Getting suspended is way too extreme for just saying that.
 

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I dunno about you, But when I was in school...Saying "fuck you" to a fellow student would give you 30 minutes lunch detention : /
I don't understand what made the school systems so severe
 

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Much like I replied in that texas kid thread.. Again, completely unfathomable. You can't even get suspended here, you either get detention, or extra work. Cursing would probably get you detention.

So yeah, I'd consider you extremely wronged. Detention, or a warning, would've been my answers.
 

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I went to the principal about 5 times in 7th grade. Every time it was because of some kid who thought I was bullying him even though I never talked to him.
Occasionally a friend would do something like try to grab my arse and I'd say "Dude... that's gay. Don't do it again" followed by a girl overhearing, telling that kid who then reported it.

The principal threatened to suspend me twice, but I managed to argue my way out.
 

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carpathic said:
Yoshemo said:
My pricipal, teachers, and even the lunch ladies swear and talk about their sex lives in front of, and even to the kids. And kids are allowed to swear in class (to a point.) My school also has 85% of kids on drugs...
This should not be happening. I am sorry that you are not being taught by professionals!
The teachers teach well, they just swear. And as for the drugs.. thats what happens when rednecks repopulate