Poll: Skyrim: The Armour complaint.

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Sparrow

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Doesn't seem like much of a big deal to me. I quite enjoyed Oblivion, but this "change" honestly doesn't make me care in any way. If there's anything I want from Skyrim, it's better combat.

Stall said:
Why doesn't Bethesda just drop the act and make Skyrim an action game? It's clear they don't give a shit about RPGs anymore. Can they just drop the pretense already and say they just want to make action games?
BENZOOKA said:
People don't want change. Then they ***** about how nothing has changed.
I love how well these two quotes go together.
 

Lt. Vinciti

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BENZOOKA said:
It's not an issue.

It's not even a problem that appears solely with video game development:

People don't want change. Then they ***** about how nothing has changed.
This.

Why is Skyrim the cool kid to pick on?

Not enough MW3 to nitpick at?

I dont think Bethesda ever failed me when I bought their games....

If you dont like it...

Cancel your Preorder now....but dont cry and make a fake review on Metacritic on 11/12
 

Ranorak

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This reminds me of the Armour models in Warcraft.

When The Burning Crusade was released everyone complained that the quest items looked so differently, so you ended up like a clown at the end of the first zone.

So they tried to fix this in Wrath of the Lich King, by making more similar sets from quests, and everyone complained that everyone looked the same and there wasn't enough variation.

AKA, whiners are going to whine, haters are going to hate and gamers are going to complain.
 

CatoCaolan

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I see a lot of people mentioning enchanting and stats. I understand where they are coming from, but in the same breath they talk about TES moving away from RPGs. I find it interesting that people consider the term 'Role-Playing' to simply refer to statistics, number boosts, and general efficiency of the character without any thought of actually role-playing.

Personally, I missed the options from Morrowind. But I also understood why they went. It's not the same game. Different design philosophies help to better the game as a whole. Reading the reasons behind removing armor slots from skyrim is a little disheartening, but the game hasn't come out yet. Maybe they have made a more realized world because of the cuts. If that is true I will be happy with the end result. But I cannot judge a product that has yet to be seen.

I loved my Morrowind character. He wore something in every armor slot available. I remember the entire wardrobe off the top of my head, and not a single piece was enchanted. Stat boosts weren't the point to me. Every piece of everything I wore was either won as a trophy, or purchased for a specific purpose.

My oblivion characters all wore an attire fitting to them. But not because of enchantments. Again, everything was worn because it was found on my journey. I never tried to match sets. I never looked for stats. I never even repaired my armor. When it broke, it was time to move on. I will miss the mix and match options. But in truth, if I really missed them that much, I would just go play Morrowind again. I would don my Dreugh armor and try to impose my will over the artifacts I've collected. I would resist the temptation skooma brought and try to keep the sword Umbra from completely absorbing my soul as it has with nameless others before me. I would role-play.

What I wouldn't do is contemplate the statistical benefit of a troll bone helm. Cause that shit's gross no matter what.
 

GaryH

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I see no problem with it. The issue is that it reduces character customisation options, but when armour only looks good when worn with it's matching pieces it's sort of pointless having them separate.

Also, armour/equipment/stats don't make a game a Role Playing Game. The clue is in the name and all arguments that Skyrim is going to be an action game rather than an RPG are pointless.
 

Ironic Pirate

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Stall said:
Why doesn't Bethesda just drop the act and make Skyrim an action game? It's clear they don't give a shit about RPGs anymore. Can they just drop the pretense already and say they just want to make action games?
I agree. All real RPGs have the latest and most in-depth pants options available. I mean, Morrowind let you leave your fly open, and that came out years ago!
 

Black Watch

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I like to have my options, I remember in Morrowind I could have a truly unique looking character and then that started to combine stuff in Oblivion, which I didn't like. Doing this will also cut down on the amount of enchanted items you can equip to your character, which will be an even bigger issue to some b/c enchanting might be someone's key success in the game.
 

Hamster at Dawn

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Well it means I have less items to scroll through in my inventory at least. Can't say I'm too fussed about having less armour pieces when there's still more than one piece.
 

Mark Hardigan

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I really don't care. I cared a tiny bit (emphasis on tiny) that they took spears out of Oblivion, but I've always known Bethesda to make good design choices.
 

SomeBritishDude

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Honestly it was the same system in Fallout 3 and NV and I had no problem with it. I actually prefer those games and played them a great deal more, so it'd be weird if the armour was in separette bits.
 

The Woolly One

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If they were removing some armour slots for no reason the debate would be understandable.

Seeing as they removed 1 or 2 slots - meaning the option for customization is still there - so that they can have more characters on screen and better graphics to ensure the world they are making is more believable then I think the people complaining are seriously missing the point.

Which is better?
6 armour slots
5 armour slots, better graphics, more characters on screen

Having the ability to buy upper body armour and lower body armour instead of just body armour isn't worth the price of a less believable world.
 

Wayneguard

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I'm very skeptical about the armor decision but having an increased number of high level armors is definitely a plus for TES. If you're rping a paladin in Morrowind, you're going to end up in full daedric... which makes 0 sense. I'm looking forward to more unique sets and some fucking variety within armor classes.
 

The Woolly One

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Ironic Pirate said:
Stall said:
Why doesn't Bethesda just drop the act and make Skyrim an action game? It's clear they don't give a shit about RPGs anymore. Can they just drop the pretense already and say they just want to make action games?
I agree. All real RPGs have the latest and most in-depth pants options available. I mean, Morrowind let you leave your fly open, and that came out years ago!
Saints Row the Third will be the greatest game ever:

you have the option of NO PANTS AT ALL. You can even choose NO UNDERWEAR.
 

bakan

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The Woolly One said:
If they were removing some armour slots for no reason the debate would be understandable.

Seeing as they removed 1 or 2 slots - meaning the option for customization is still there - so that they can have more characters on screen and better graphics to ensure the world they are making is more believable then I think the people complaining are seriously missing the point.

Which is better?
6 armour slots
5 armour slots, better graphics, more characters on screen

Having the ability to buy upper body armour and lower body armour instead of just body armour isn't worth the price of a less believable world.
Or third option reintegrate some things you got rid of because you try to squeeze out the best graphics on consoles and then have to cut out things because the hardware can't handle it. (short lower the graphic detail on consoles)

Well, or just don't develop it for consoles if you have to cut out stuff when you want to keep the graphics... (flames incoming - but note that I play on consoles and PC :p)
 

F'Angus

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My main annoyance is because I like to mix the best looking pieces of armour. I spent most oblivion with dwarvern greaves.. II was annoyed that they got rid of my ability to have seperate pauldrons or seperate gauntlets. The customisation is gone.
 

Sizzle Montyjing

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this isnt my name said:
Noooo not the numbers, my head it hurts.

What pisses me off is how they sacrafice GAMEPLAY for GRAPHICS. I am playing a fucking rpg, if I wanted shit to shine I would be playing fucking crysis. i put up with DAOs terrible graphics and limited npcs. DAO sold well and was well accepted. hy sacrafice the thingthat adds to a game for something so petty.
The worst thing is, i'm a console gamer, (my PC just dies whenever i try to run something more complicated then minecraft) and i loved all the stats in oblivion, they didn't seem like BIG, CONFUSING NUMBERS, they seemed useful.
And isn't the best thing about current gen games that we can have both great gameplay AND great graphics?
But i'm still pretty hyped, let's just hope they don't fuck it up TOO much :p
 

AwesomeNinjaPowers

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I shall look fab no matter what the armor looks like. And this mostly sounds like fanboy whinging to me. Bless them it's what they live for =D
 

Nightmare-Child

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I am not going anywhere near Skyrim, until they get some of the inevitable bugs worked out. This is a Bethesda game after all.