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spectrenihlus

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Also the obama osama mix ups are not unique to Fox news

http://www.okmagazine.com/2011/05/more-osamaobama-mixups-flood-the-media/

Everyone is doing it and frankly it makes me giggle like a schoolgirl.
 

RanD00M

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artanis_neravar said:
American will always refer to citizens of the United States first and foremost, so your South American comment is ignorant and only intended to grief the person you quoted.
Isn't it more ignorant to say that American first and foremost refers to a U.S. citizen? Because claiming that means that you are being ignorant to the 24 countries in the American Continents.

Second of all show me the official guideline to what American mean first and foremost. And please don't present one that was pulled out of your ass.
 

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spectrenihlus said:
immovablemover said:
I would do my damnedest to take him Alive, with minimal harm done to him. If not taking the shot meant a capture opportunity in the future I would not take the shot.

If there was an immediate and pressing need to be lethal I would do so, but I would attempt to make it as clean, efficient and as suffering-free as I could.

I have no intention of becoming a monster whilst trying to fight them. It is a shame the same cannot be said for a good portion of the people in this thread.
Fastest way to kill a monster is to be monster. That is how you win wars by being the most brutal son of a ***** not in measured violence. This was how the Civil War was finally won and this was how WW2 was won and guess what in the end it saved lives on both sides.
The best way to win a war is to dehumanize your enemy. Our soldiers can not do what they need to do if they are constantly reminded that the people they are shooting have family's
 

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In that situation I'm a soldier, soldiers kill, whether you want to spin that as protecting an ideal or whatever, point is they kill. I would ask permission first though, don't want an international backlash.

I like to refer to the Assassin's creed quote in situations like this: "Nothing is true, everything is permitted, we work in the dark to serve the light"
 

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Wow I REALLY miss read I through you said Obama so I voted no out of fear the FBI was reading it xD. But after reading, yes.. I would have blasted his godforsaken brains allover!
 

artanis_neravar

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RanD00M said:
artanis_neravar said:
American will always refer to citizens of the United States first and foremost, so your South American comment is ignorant and only intended to grief the person you quoted.
Isn't it more ignorant to say that American first and foremost refers to a U.S. citizen? Because claiming that means that you are being ignorant to the 24 countries in the American Continents.

Second of all show me the official guideline to what American mean first and foremost. And please don't present one that was pulled out of your ass.
It is country before continent. People from France are French before they are European, Citizens of Brazil are Brazilian before they are South American, and citizens of the US are American Before they are North American.

From Dictionary.com
1. of or pertaining to the United States of America or its inhabitants: an American citizen.
2. of or pertaining to North or South America; of the Western Hemisphere: the American continents.

Notice definition 1 states "or it's inhabitants" and definition 2 does not
 

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In a heartbeat.

...Or rather, in between heartbeats, just like the snipers. If I had orders not to...maybe. If I didn't have orders not to, I'd take the shot. What would they do to me if I shot him against orders anyway? Dishonorably discharge the man that just popped the lead terrorists head like an over ripe tomato? I doubt it.

I would absolutely take the shot if at all possible. I'd probably even yell, "BOOM, HEADSHOT!"
 

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What kind of question is that. He was wanted dead or alive.

My response would be "Fuck you, I just saved us years of work. Give me a raise you ungrateful bastards"

Probably wouldn't be in the military long after reading that sentence through.
 

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artanis_neravar said:
Okay, so you got me there. But does that mean that I am personally not allowed to use the second one first and foremost. And does that mean that just because that it has been used for some number of years now that it can't be changed? No, and I am not one to call yanks Americans. I rather call yanks U.S. Citizens or Yanks.
 

spectrenihlus

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immovablemover said:
spectrenihlus said:
immovablemover said:
I would do my damnedest to take him Alive, with minimal harm done to him. If not taking the shot meant a capture opportunity in the future I would not take the shot.

If there was an immediate and pressing need to be lethal I would do so, but I would attempt to make it as clean, efficient and as suffering-free as I could.

I have no intention of becoming a monster whilst trying to fight them. It is a shame the same cannot be said for a good portion of the people in this thread.
Fastest way to kill a monster is to be monster. That is how you win wars by being the most brutal son of a ***** not in measured violence. This was how the Civil War was finally won and this was how WW2 was won and guess what in the end it saved lives on both sides.
Perhaps you didn't read my post properly - my aim would not be to kill him.

And I disagree with your position on Moral grounds.
Morality has nothing to do with this it is war. It's your side verses the other guys and you will do anything and everything to make sure your side wins. Especially when the other side wants your entire way of life to be destroyed. You want the enemy to fear your side because that is the only thing people like this understand through fear you gain their respect and then the attacks stop.
 

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If my orders were to shoot him? Definitely.

If the question is asking if I'd kill him of my own volition, given the chance, then no, I wouldn't. He's definitely a beacon for extremists to look up to, but as an individual, he's just a guy, and as far as I understand it, a fairly nice guy.
 

artanis_neravar

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RanD00M said:
artanis_neravar said:
Okay, so you got me there. But does that mean that I am personally not allowed to use the second one first and foremost. And does that mean that just because that it has been used for some number of years now that it can't be changed? No, and I am not one to call yanks Americans. I rather call yanks U.S. Citizens or Yanks.
You can call us whatever you want (free speech and all) just know that when a US citizen says American they are most likely referring to US citizens. And as a side note calling someone from the Boston area an Yank might not have the best results for you
Edit: in person
 

spectrenihlus

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immovablemover said:
spectrenihlus said:
immovablemover said:
spectrenihlus said:
immovablemover said:
I would do my damnedest to take him Alive, with minimal harm done to him. If not taking the shot meant a capture opportunity in the future I would not take the shot.

If there was an immediate and pressing need to be lethal I would do so, but I would attempt to make it as clean, efficient and as suffering-free as I could.

I have no intention of becoming a monster whilst trying to fight them. It is a shame the same cannot be said for a good portion of the people in this thread.
Fastest way to kill a monster is to be monster. That is how you win wars by being the most brutal son of a ***** not in measured violence. This was how the Civil War was finally won and this was how WW2 was won and guess what in the end it saved lives on both sides.
Perhaps you didn't read my post properly - my aim would not be to kill him.

And I disagree with your position on Moral grounds.
Morality has nothing to do with this it is war. It's your side verses the other guys and you will do anything and everything to make sure your side wins. Especially when the other side wants your entire way of life to be destroyed. You want the enemy to fear your side because that is the only thing people like this understand through fear you gain their respect and then the attacks stop.
Morality has everything to do with it.

Really if your world view is that painfully black & white AND void of ethical considerations then there really isn't anything nice to say about your mode of thinking other than

HERP DE DERP DE DIDDLY TERP DE DERP.
And your view of the world is NOT REALISTIC. Fine if you want to treat captured POW's with respect and decency that is all well and good but the only reason that you are doing that is not because its the moral thing to do it is because you would rather have the enemy surrender then fight to the last man and risk losing more people on your side. Japan during world war 2 was as fanatical as Al Qaeda is today, remember they invented suicide attacks, invasion of their mainland would have been costly for both sides the US and Japan both in terms of lives lost and in money spent. So instead the US dropped the atomic bomb and vaporized thousands of their people in a second, and then we did it again and we reached total surrender. The act of seeing thousands of people wiped out in a second really sobered the Japanese fanaticism and guess what Japan and the US are best friends. Same goes for Sherman's march during the civil war it was brutal but it was quick and helped in ending the war faster than it otherwise would have taken saving lives over the long term. The reason Afghanistan is taking so damn long is because we are not allowing our troops to go in and kick ass and thus we are losing lives.
 

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If I had orders to kill Osama Bin Laden and he was in my sights I would take the shot. I don't know if I would hit him but I would take the shot.
 

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immovablemover said:
spectrenihlus said:
immovablemover said:
spectrenihlus said:
immovablemover said:
I would do my damnedest to take him Alive, with minimal harm done to him. If not taking the shot meant a capture opportunity in the future I would not take the shot.

If there was an immediate and pressing need to be lethal I would do so, but I would attempt to make it as clean, efficient and as suffering-free as I could.

I have no intention of becoming a monster whilst trying to fight them. It is a shame the same cannot be said for a good portion of the people in this thread.
Fastest way to kill a monster is to be monster. That is how you win wars by being the most brutal son of a ***** not in measured violence. This was how the Civil War was finally won and this was how WW2 was won and guess what in the end it saved lives on both sides.
Perhaps you didn't read my post properly - my aim would not be to kill him.

And I disagree with your position on Moral grounds.
Morality has nothing to do with this it is war. It's your side verses the other guys and you will do anything and everything to make sure your side wins. Especially when the other side wants your entire way of life to be destroyed. You want the enemy to fear your side because that is the only thing people like this understand through fear you gain their respect and then the attacks stop.
Morality has everything to do with it.

Really if your world view is that painfully black & white AND void of ethical considerations then there really isn't anything nice to say about your mode of thinking other than

HERP DE DERP DE DIDDLY TERP DE DERP.
You are certainly a paragon of virtue, what with your noticeable respect and humility.

Your morality must be so good.
 

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DragonLord Seth said:
LOL nobody chose the "right" answer, that they would try, but fail. Me? The recoil would break my shoulder.
What are you trying to snipe with a 4 bore or something?
 

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RanD00M said:
TheAceTheOne said:
RanD00M said:
TheAceTheOne said:
You don't hurt AMERICANS without some serious s*** hitting the fan.
So you intend on going to South America and hurt anyone that commits a crime that involved them hurting someone else. Or hell, do you intend on doing it in the U.S.?
I was talking specifically on Osama, not about anyone in South America or in the U.S.
You obviously didn't read the part that I specifically quoted. Or you did and decided to completely ignore the point I was trying to make.
I did read it. Note that the original post was about Osama. There was no mention of what I would have done to any other nations, groups, or individuals, including those you mentioned , in the original post or my response. While those instances are tragic and need those responsible need to be held accountable, they are not a part of the original post or my response to said post. If you really want to know, I do think that any individual, group, or what have you, who hurts innocents, not just Americans , should to be held accountable.
 

artanis_neravar

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spectrenihlus said:
immovablemover said:
Morality has everything to do with it.

Really if your world view is that painfully black & white AND void of ethical considerations then there really isn't anything nice to say about your mode of thinking other than

HERP DE DERP DE DIDDLY TERP DE DERP.
And your view of the world is NOT REALISTIC. Fine if you want to treat captured POW's with respect and decency that is all well and good but the only reason that you are doing that is not because its the moral thing to do it is because you would rather have the enemy surrender then fight to the last man and risk losing more people on your side. Japan during world war 2 was as fanatical as Al Qaeda is today, remember they invented suicide attacks, invasion of their mainland would have been costly for both sides the US and Japan both in terms of lives lost and in money spent. So instead the US dropped the atomic bomb and vaporized thousands of their people in a second, and then we did it again and we reached total surrender. The act of seeing thousands of people wiped out in a second really sobered the Japanese fanaticism and guess what Japan and the US are best friends. Same goes for Sherman's march during the civil war it was brutal but it was quick and helped in ending the war faster than it otherwise would have taken saving lives over the long term. The reason Afghanistan is taking so damn long is because we are not allowing our troops to go in and kick ass and thus we are losing lives.
Agredd morality and war have no business being together. You cannot be moral when fighting any enemy that will do everything it can to exterminate you