i remember reading that button story in high schoolReginald said:I've that episode of the Twilight Zone (the one with the button), so no.
Well, there's no chance of getting caught? Done, without question.Tufty94 said:So a man walks into a bar holding a briefcase and he sits down right next to you. You guys start talking and you find out the case contains five million US dollars. He tells you that it's all your's if you do him just one favour. He wants you to kill someone. You don't know the person, you don't know anything about them and there is no chance of getting caught. Would you go for it?
i don't know i like to know the facts to be honest before i kill someone even then i might not do because it's us dollarsTufty94 said:So a man walks into a bar holding a briefcase and he sits down right next to you. You guys start talking and you find out the case contains five million US dollars. He tells you that it's all your's if you do him just one favour. He wants you to kill someone. You don't know the person, you don't know anything about them and there is no chance of getting caught. Would you go for it?
Yeah, see, you're saying a lot of things, but you're not backing any of them with anything other then the word "statistically". Of course, I'm not trying to say that everything in your post was untrue, I agree with plenty of it. I obviously won't deny that people will kill under extreme circumstances, especially if their lives depend on it. But I have to question your statement that "Statistically, people will murder based on the prospect of social gain." (paraphrasing) If you can show me that statistic, then great. I'll shut up. But until then, my response to that is "Statistically, people only commit murder when they feel they have no other option available to them."Abandon4093 said:*snip*
Nope. It sounds like a set up. The guy wants me to take the fall.Tufty94 said:So a man walks into a bar holding a briefcase and he sits down right next to you. You guys start talking and you find out the case contains five million US dollars. He tells you that it's all your's if you do him just one favour. He wants you to kill someone. You don't know the person, you don't know anything about them and there is no chance of getting caught. Would you go for it?
Sorry, but I don't think that statistic is really relevant. We're talking about two VERY different scenarios here: In one, the criminal (who is most likely in some kind of poverty) breaks into someone's home for anything they can find. They know this criminal act will not result in social mobility, they just want whatever they can get. Furthermore, as you stated, the goal of a robbery is not to kill the people in the house: If anything, a murder makes the robbery pretty counter-productive. Thus, it's safe to assume that at least a majority of these murders were accidental. And accidental murders are not relevant to this discussion.Abandon4093 said:In 2010 the US recorded 41.4% of the total robberies that year involved firearms.6th And Silver said:Yeah, see, you're saying a lot of things, but you're not backing any of them with anything other then the word "statistically". Of course, I'm not trying to say that everything in your post was untrue, I agree with plenty of it. I obviously won't deny that people will kill under extreme circumstances, especially if their lives depend on it. But I have to question your statement that "Statistically, people will murder based on the prospect of social gain." (paraphrasing) If you can show me that statistic, then great. I'll shut up. But until then, my response to that is "Statistically, people only commit murder when they feel they have no other option available to them."Abandon4093 said:*snip*
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/september/crime_091911/crime_091911
And in 1998 8.7% of the total murders in the US occurred during robberies.
http://www.allcountries.org/uscensus/333_murder_victims_circumstances_and_weapons_used.html
I'm sure with some proper searching you could find a whole catalogue of these records and make an accurate estimation of how many people are murdered each year during robberies, muggings etc etc.
But the point is that people murder over spare change and household possessions. When you start dealing with truly life altering amounts of money. Like say 5-mil, people who would otherwise not have committed even a petty crime, may actually kill.
Bear in mind, that in robberies the objective isn't to kill someone. It's too intimidate, making it easier to take their possessions. So there will be a lot of outstanding factors in the percentage of murders during robberies that you'd have to take into consideration.
But when you tell someone that they have to kill a person for a life changing amount of money. Depending on their socio-economic standing, you'd probably find a higher amount of people willing to do it. Especially if the risk factor is removed.