Poll: So I found this "feminist" site

[Daverson]

It doesn't affect me. Anyone who legitimately believes that nonsense probably doesn't get to leave their "institution" without a chaperone. (That is to say, the stuff on the site linked by the OP, not feminism in general. Rather obvious, I guess, but you know someone's going to read it as that...)

 

[Rainboq]

[sub][sub]Also, 50 Shades of Grey? What, you thought the smeared toilet paper of the book world was a good point of study?[/sub][/sub]

I've almost finished reading it, I wanted to be included and I wanted to be able to say it was bad on good authority.

I was not disappointed. The woman cannot write, at all, even ignoring the plot and the terribly constructed characters. She loves the word 'beguiled' too. Oh, oh and the main character drinks Twining's English Breakfast tea, she always writes "Ana has some Twining's English Breakfast tea", never "Ana drinks some fucking tea".
Seriously, I'm basically at the end and she's still pointing out that her main character likes English classics and Twining's English Breakfast tea. Never mind how often she name drops classic literature she has obviously never read and... Okay, I'm going to stop now.

Hey, 50 Shades of Grey looks like Ulysses next to this.

 

[Colour Scientist]

Hey, 50 Shades of Grey looks like Ulysses next to this.

I love My Immortal!
Did you know the main character has satanits?
I also adore her choice of clothing.

 

[Rainboq]

Hey, 50 Shades of Grey looks like Ulysses next to this.

I love My Immortal!
Did you know the main character has satanits?
I also adore her choice of clothing.

Fair enough, personally, I love the dramatic reading posted above (its incredibly well done), and the fanfic itself is good for a laugh, despite the spelling.

 

[Colour Scientist]

Fair enough, personally, I love the dramatic reading posted above (its incredibly well done), and the fanfic itself is good for a laugh, despite the spelling.

I've always wanted to know if it's a piss-take or not. I assume it is. It's too funny to be real.

 

[Rainboq]

Fair enough, personally, I love the dramatic reading posted above (its incredibly well done), and the fanfic itself is good for a laugh, despite the spelling.

I've always wanted to know if it's a piss-take or not. I assume it is. It's too funny to be real.

Nope, its a serious fanfic.

 

[Colour Scientist]

I've always wanted to know if it's a piss-take or not. I assume it is. It's too funny to be real.

Nope, its a serious fanfic.[/quote]

It can't be though, no one can be THAT BAD at writing. If it is real, I want to meet that girl, hug her and tell her that everything will be okay.
I'm still not convinced though.
I mean, come on. DUMBLYDORE!

 

[Rainboq]

It can't be though, no one can be THAT BAD at writing. If it is real, I want to meet that girl, hug her and tell her that everything will be okay.
I'm still not convinced though.
I mean, come on. DUMBLYDORE!

Yes, yes people can have writing that bad, especially if they don't proofread it. And if it is a joke, then its just playing it straight and calling it ironic.

 

[triggrhappy94]

Finally an apropriate thread to use this on!
It's a pain to get this to embed
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2010-12-13/
Go there!

In addition,

I love you Ryan Gosling

 

[DevilWithaHalo]

I was going to hop on and talk about people potentially using the no-true-scotsman fallacy when it comes to the likes of the rad-fem-hub calling itself feminists, but I see I've been beaten to the punch by people using the no-true-scotsman fallacy in saying that rad-fem-hub aren't real feminists. Damn forums move fast don't they?

 

[Skullpanda]

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All I want to say is thank you to both of you for making this thread far more entertaining than I ever expected.

As for something on topic? I seriously can't tell if this is a Straw feminist site, or these people actually believe what they're writing. But I can't ask them, seeing as I'm a guy, and they'll probably run away screaming if I come within 100 yards of them.

 

[WolfThomas]

theres nothing wrong with BDSM

the "BDSM" in 50 shades however is REALLY wrong

its clear that that Anastasia the dumbass doesnt want that kind of sub/dom relationship...she just really really likes Christian the twat and is willing to do it because...GAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

To be fair, nearly all bdsm fiction does not portray real "safe, sane, consensual" bdsm. A lot pornography and erotic literature shows fantasies usually of unconsensual activities (even though in reality they are acted out by consenting actors or written by a author in the know).

But the novel is indeed trash.

The difference is, almost all of the time, the people involved pretend to be uncomfortable and to be non-consenting.

There's a difference between BDSM and rape.

Thank you, I understand the difference.

I'll try to explain my working better. Take your standard kink.com (one of the most ethical and professional bdsm related porn studios), they have a nice prologue and epilogue where the actress/actor talks about what they want to do and then what they enjoyed. But then the middle bit taken without context could be mistaken for rape, it isn't of course but viewed alone it could be, but what is it is a fictional scenario or a roleplay as you indeed mentioned lower.

Now what I am saying is that the writing in fifty shades of gray, is as much fiction as that middle part. We don't get to see the actors, because of course they don't exist (the closest I guess would be an interview with the author). But it's all a fictional scenario, no one gets harmed and whoever enjoys it gets their jollies off.

From what I hear is it's a terrible bit of prose (haven't read it). But I find "they don't really understand it" complaints a little insufferable. Like "ooh I can't stand my kink is becoming mainstream"

 

[WolfThomas]

Basically, the woman in the book doesn't want or enjoy a BDSM relationship, but enters into it as she is madly in love with a man. He controls her and forces her to do things that upset her a great deal. That's why it's not real BDSM, as she doesn't genuinely want to enter into the relationship, ever.

I see your point about context and I am totally Googling that site as we speak lol.

Yup and that's the author's (and apparently a whole lot of soccer mom's) fantasy. (Shruggs) it doesn't do anything for me, but more power to them. Agreed if it was happening in real life it would be terrible. Just like if someone kidnapped someone for sex. Which has happened thousands of times in porn.

They have a site has free samples for their whole range of videos, but you didn't hear it from me.

 

[WolfThomas]

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the book. I think it's shit and a terribly written read, but I don't think it's "wrong" or anything. I was just pointing out that the relationship in the novel wasn't actually "real" BDSM, in the sense of the participants wanting the shame, suffering, humiliation, etc.

Your secret is safe with me

I think we're pretty much in agreement. That if the relationship was going on in real life it would be pretty abusive. But being fiction it's just a trashy fantasy.

I never know how to end a discussion that's amicable on a forum. Usually when people argue it just stops when someone gives up or hides. So thank you for the dicussion. I'm gonna go now.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

So - I'm a carnivore and a necrophile?

Well, I do eat red meat, so they're at least 50% right. Still not even remotely insulted. This feels more like angry baboons in estrus flinging poo in my direction while a plexiglas screen prevents anything from reaching me.

I can just sit there and enjoy the screeches and the hoots, safe in the knowledge that I'm friends with some actually worthwhile women - some of which are decent feminists, as well.

I mean, my parents were raised in a mentality where cultural and gender-based submission was the Church-appointed norm. That was Quebec before the sixties. Then the sixties rolled around and, well, holy shit did things change for the better. The clergy got practically kicked out of the province, women went from being walking birthing tanks to some of our best business-owners, families dwindled in size and this left more time for every child to really get to *know* his parents; the whole problem of absent fathers and doting mothers turned into a relic of the past...

So, yeah. I don't know where these poor, deluded girls get their info, but we treat our women with the respect and equality they deserve, here. Sure, you'll always find the occasional irredeemable jerk who actually thinks he has the God-given right to stick his schlong in anything that moves, but these types of guys are generally living fossils anyway.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

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This site isn't feminist, feminists strive for equality between men and women. This is just some batshit crazy person.

That's a cool no-true-scotman fallacy you have there.

We're on Third Wave now. Third Wave feminism embraces sexuality (rather like First Wave - and remember, First Wave feminism is the feminism that helped to create Playboy magazine and James Bond).

Please elaborate how first wave feminism lead to James Bond and Playboy.

Second Wave is a bunch of old women bitching - it isn't real feminism.

Oh look, more no-true-scotman fallacies!

 

[Nickolai77]

There are extremists to any group of people feminism is not a exception to this. While all extremism should be exposed and opposed none of this is shocking at the least. I proudly call myself a feminist and I am a male, while I would never support the extreme end of it I see feminism as both a respect and equality issue. A real man has a respect for others therefor any real man must be a feminist.

I'm starting to think we should have our own sub-forum for discussing Feminism.

Or you know what?

Hmmm discussion and support of women's rights or the life of a single common baby animal.
I think women are more valuable than a cat. Things like this are a hot topic because they need to be discussed. This is something that has to happen gender equality and mistreatment issues are a real thing and are still common to this day. The only way it will ever change is if it gathers wide and constant attention. This is something all people should be exposed to and not hidden and tucked away.

This is something that doesn't just effect just women but all of us including you. So just try to bear with it. If you have any doubts that these topics need to exist here go ahead and go to the comments regarding the sexual assault that took place at the PAX minecraft party. The Escapist is no miracle exception.

Oh i agree with you that feminism needs to be talked about, like any civil rights issue. I do however find the sheer volume of threads about Feminism in Off Topic a bit tiresome, hence my image macro.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

There are extremists to any group of people feminism is not a exception to this. While all extremism should be exposed and opposed none of this is shocking at the least. I proudly call myself a feminist and I am a male, while I would never support the extreme end of it I see feminism as both a respect and equality issue. A real man has a respect for others therefor any real man must be a feminist.

I'm starting to think we should have our own sub-forum for discussing Feminism.

Or you know what?

Hmmm discussion and support of women's rights or the life of a single common baby animal.
I think women are more valuable than a cat. Things like this are a hot topic because they need to be discussed. This is something that has to happen gender equality and mistreatment issues are a real thing and are still common to this day. The only way it will ever change is if it gathers wide and constant attention. This is something all people should be exposed to and not hidden and tucked away.

This is something that doesn't just effect just women but all of us including you. So just try to bear with it. If you have any doubts that these topics need to exist here go ahead and go to the comments regarding the sexual assault that took place at the PAX minecraft party. The Escapist is no miracle exception.

How is discussing the same topic over and over and over and over and over and over and over again on the "off-topic" forums attached to a site dedicated to video-gaming "supporting women's rights"?
How?
By spreading awareness?
Nope, the news section does that already.
By convincing others to "see the light", aka agreeing with "your" take on things ?
[sub][sub]"your" being used as a placeholder for "everyone arguing in such threads[/sub][/sub]
Anyone truly believe that arguing over the internet will ever change someone's mind?
So, I would rather save a few kittens by NOT arguing about feminism on the escapist, whilst leaving the feminism discussions to the rest of the internet, where I am quite sure many forums dedicated to sexism and the fight against it already exist.

 

[Stasisesque]

We're on Third Wave now. Third Wave feminism embraces sexuality (rather like First Wave - and remember, First Wave feminism is the feminism that helped to create Playboy magazine and James Bond).

Please elaborate how first wave feminism lead to James Bond and Playboy.

I still want to know the answer to this. Not so much Playboy, but I definitely want to know what part feminism played in Ian Fleming deciding to write the best spy novel ever (his words, not mine).

 

[Daystar Clarion]

There are extremists to any group of people feminism is not a exception to this. While all extremism should be exposed and opposed none of this is shocking at the least. I proudly call myself a feminist and I am a male, while I would never support the extreme end of it I see feminism as both a respect and equality issue. A real man has a respect for others therefor any real man must be a feminist.

I'm starting to think we should have our own sub-forum for discussing Feminism.

Or you know what?

Hmmm discussion and support of women's rights or the life of a single common baby animal.
I think women are more valuable than a cat. Things like this are a hot topic because they need to be discussed. This is something that has to happen gender equality and mistreatment issues are a real thing and are still common to this day. The only way it will ever change is if it gathers wide and constant attention. This is something all people should be exposed to and not hidden and tucked away.

This is something that doesn't just effect just women but all of us including you. So just try to bear with it. If you have any doubts that these topics need to exist here go ahead and go to the comments regarding the sexual assault that took place at the PAX minecraft party. The Escapist is no miracle exception.

How is discussing the same topic over and over and over and over and over and over and over again on the "off-topic" forums attached to a site dedicated to video-gaming "supporting women's rights"?
How?
By spreading awareness?
Nope, the news section does that already.
By convincing others to "see the light", aka agreeing with "your" take on things ?
[sub][sub]"your" being used as a placeholder for "everyone arguing in such threads[/sub][/sub]
Anyone truly believe that arguing over the internet will ever change someone's mind?
So, I would rather save a few kittens by NOT arguing about feminism on the escapist, whilst leaving the feminism discussions to the rest of the internet, where I am quite sure many forums dedicated to sexism and the fight against it already exist.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

You'd think after the eleventy billionth thread on the topic, people would have learned this