Poll: So I found this "feminist" site

[Rainforce]

Oh hey, 'feminists'! This ought to be a fun thread. I don't have much to add apart from a big ol' webcomic.

Spoiler: Long-ass comic spoiler. Don't say I didn't warn you.

I think we can all agree that when your views are even more extreme than a cartoon parody of extreme views, something's wrong.

damn, I was about to post that D:

but I agree.

also why 9000 Shades Of Things I Don't Care About as source? WHY?

Dominating men sexually? You know how few women enjoy sex compared to men, right? How rarely a woman reaches orgasm from what most men consider intercourse--"put it in and move until I cum"? Have you seen porn recently? It's largely women pretending to moan and scream for the arousal of a man, while she sits, kneels or lies still and gets fucked, before then being ejaculated on. I'm willing to bet my life savings that your average man honestly believes women get off on simply lying still and having a dick pushed into her for three minutes.

How does society treat a woman that seeks out sex? With shame. With disrespect. It degrades her and labels her a dirty slut. A man doing the same? A player. Someone other men envy. Someone good at "getting laid."

Oh yeah, women are easily dominating men sexually.

This whole enjoying sex business sounds more like lack of communication between partners and whatnot. You actually need to point out your needs in a relationship, people cannot read minds.
or so I heard.

although I agree on the "shame" part, but it's nothing compared to the stupidity of mankind as a whole when it comes to some perspectives/decisions.

 

[General Twinkletoes]

Just a thought, why would you call yourself a radical feminist blog? Radical implies being a bit crazy about it and not listening to anything but your own propaganda.

Anyway, onto the contents of the blog.

*Reads*

Can women not like BDSM? Apparently it makes them sexist...
What the fuck is this blog? I hate people like this. It gives more ammo for the "ALL FEMINISTS HATE MEN AND HATE SEX AND THINK MEN SHOULD DIE" idiots.

 

[General Twinkletoes]

Just a thought, why would you call yourself a radical feminist blog? Radical implies being a bit crazy about it and not listening to anything but your own propaganda.

Anyway, onto the contents of the blog.

*Reads*

Can women not like BDSM? Apparently it makes them sexist...
What the fuck is this blog? I hate people like this. It gives more ammo for the "ALL FEMINISTS HATE MEN AND HATE SEX AND THINK MEN SHOULD DIE" idiots.

Radical isn't a negative term in and of itself; it simply implies an extreme or a drastic. You can be radically anti-racist by feverishly campaigning for stricter laws to stop racial violence, for example.

Yeah I know it technically means that, but when it comes to feminism and things like it radical is often equated to being batshit crazy. Anti feminists often dismiss someone's opinion by calling it radical, it seems a bit silly to call yourself one.

 

[stranamente]

My eyebrows.... I think you'll see them in the next picture sent by Curiosity...

 

[Vault101]

unrelated but the fact that the fans and main audience for things like Twilight/50 shades are women makes me think...

In the words of Nostalga Chick

"fuck it!.....femism is over..its dead..you killed it"

 

[Myndnix]

Do you think I could make these peoples' heads explode if I told them that most of my friends are female and we engage in pleasent, intelligent conversation on a daily basis? And I have no intention of trying to bed any of them? Or would they just fly into an unstoppable rage and call me a dirty lying rapist man?
I'm just spitballing, here.

 

[repeating integers]

I'm still annoyed that shitty fanfics like 50 Shades of Grey can get published, while awesome ones like Mass Effect: Interregnum [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5775707/1/Mass-Effect-Interregnum] and Opening the Closet Door a Crack [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5975084/1/] remain buried in the morass of fanfiction.net.

I know of the Radfem Hub from fstdt, though. There's this one member, Mary Sunshine, who advocates letting male babies die [http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=87848]. Twice. [http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=87725]

 

[Myndnix]

Oh, addendum: These self-professed feminists also seem to miss one of the most basic facts of our species: Both males and females are necessary for the species to continue existing.
That's like as basic as 'we need to drink water'.

 

[Jaythulhu]

Where's the "Who gives a flying fuck when there are REAL problems facing our version of civilisation?" option in the poll?

Seriously, I've been reading the same damn arguments over the same damn things for the last 20-odd years in some form or another. Can't we move on to something new and interesting already?

 

[Calibanbutcher]

Oh my, this thread turned out even better than I could have hoped for.
Who would have thought a thread about BDSM would be so entertaining.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

In regards to the 21st century, the point can be made that women are slightly dominating men sexually, socially, and even educationally.

Dominating men sexually? You know how few women enjoy sex compared to men, right? How rarely a woman reaches orgasm from what most men consider intercourse--"put it in and move until I cum"? Have you seen porn recently? It's largely women pretending to moan and scream for the arousal of a man, while she sits, kneels or lies still and gets fucked, before then being ejaculated on. I'm willing to bet my life savings that your average man honestly believes women get off on simply lying still and having a dick pushed into her for three minutes.

How does society treat a woman that seeks out sex? With shame. With disrespect. It degrades her and labels her a dirty slut. A man doing the same? A player. Someone other men envy. Someone good at "getting laid."

Oh yeah, women are easily dominating men sexually.

Don't know what kind of society you hang around in, but whatever ass backwards country it is doesn't seem to be too representative. Here, women seek out sex comfortably and regularly. Oh, and by the way, they enjoy it too. Probably because in civilized societies, there's communication and everyone knows what's expected and desired from each other. What you seem to think "most men" do doesn't really translate into reality either.

In fact, you seem to have invented some fantasy world that conforms to whatever prejudice you find comfort in carrying around with you, because it certainly doesn't have anything to do with reality.

It's not the insane extremists in that link that gives feminists bad reputations. Those are just written off as exactly that. It's your kind that brings these ridiculous claims to the table and expects them to be taken seriously in this day and age.

Edit: Oh dear, I just caught your "most people are pretending" bit about BDSM. Exactly what kind of BDSM community have you gotten that particular bit of misinformation from, I wonder? There's one thing that is alpha and omega within BDSM and that is honesty and truth. It is the cornerstone of any successful BDSM or(and) D/s relationship since so much depends on communication. You need to be able to put a hundred percent trust in your partner for it to work.

No. "Most people" aren't pretending that it's non-consensual. Those that do aren't actually performing neither BDSM nor D/s. I suggest educating yourself more thoroughly on the subject before speaking quite so definitely on it. It's a subject of significant importance for quite a few of us.

lolwut

You just said that most people in SM relationships aren't pretending to be non-consenting. You realize that would mean they ACTUALLY don't want the sexual acts committed upon them, meaning you just said in an open forum that all SM relationships are rape.

Nice work!

Again, you seem to live in some fantasy world with no connection to reality. What do you think happens in an SM/BDSM relationship that implies non-consenting acts? Where are you getting your information? Bad porn? Pulled wholecloth out of your arse?

No, WE in BDSM and D/s relationships aren't pretending to be non-consenting. We consent or we don't. What you seem to be unable to grasp is that there is a significant power exchange that only ceases upon use of a safeword (or other safety mechanism restoring the safety and ensuring that there is indeed no such thing as rape going on). The consent is given, and until revoked the power is in the hands of the dominant or top.

You really need to educate yourself on subjects before you open your mouth about them. Especially when you're talking about a significant demographic that you apparently only know in your wildest imagination.

Oh. I get it. You're not actually reading the comments you reply to. Maybe if I type it in bold.

Again, in SM relationships, the submissive partner is pretending to be subservient, to be raped, to being tortured or degraded. In reality, everyone involved can walk out and stop the actions whenever they wish. It's called roleplay. It's pretend. No one is actually being raped or hurt.

If you had stopped to read the original comment you quoted and hadn't rushed, knee-jerk and all, to reply, you'd have noticed that I was referring to the relationship in 50 Shades of Grey as not a true SM relationship, as the woman was pretending to enjoy being subjugated. In a real SM relationship, those involved DO enjoy the roleplay and pretend not to when acting out things like abuse.

But hey, maybe you should talk to my boyfriend and tell him all about how I know nothing about our relationship. I'm sure he'd find it both enlightening and hilarious. Oh no wait--just hilarious.

Also, you have been on here for a MONTH and made more than 1500 posts already.
Chapeau

 

[Legion]

I wouldn't be surprised to discover that the site was made by an anti-feminist to make them look bad.

Perhaps I am just naive, but I find it hard to believe people that stupid could actually exist.

 

[Angie7F]

50 shades of grey is just horrible writing.
So using that as a source already makes the argument weak.
There are tons of other literature that could have been used as an example to strengthen this arguement, but they didn7t even bother.

 

[TheDoctor455]

Hmm... one thing I do have to give her...
is that the relationship between Bella and Edward DOES fit the criteria for domestic abuse.
Won't really elaborate on that point, as its not entirely relevant to this discussion. (if you're wondering, I had to review two of the Twilight movies for a school newspaper; neither article got published... I had too many good points to make about the bloody series)

Other than that though...

umm... yeah... this idiot is nuts.

Basically, for her argument to work, one has to assume that all women are completely mindless, and are able to be 'reprogrammed' by just about every single bloody thing in our society. Her argument simply cannot function AT ALL, if it allows for the possibility of women being able to think and make decisions on their own. So, ironically, her argument falls more in line with the 'subconscious domination of women' than anything else.

Not that I'm saying that our society doesn't TRY to influence women in anyway, every ad proves that. But, our society ALSO tries to influence men in a similar fashion. How successful it is depends entirely on the individuals in question. Part of who we are is determined by what parts of society we reject and which we accept.

Basically, this whole article looks like someone trying to rationalize the reason why they don't like BDSM. Fine, you don't like BDSM, neither do I. But I don't go around bashing the hobby. Just let people enjoy it if they do.

 

[Lilani]

I think the writer of the article's main problem is she doesn't know what a "niche market" is. 50 Shades wasn't written to make a statement on ALL women or to appeal to ALL women. Just women who are turned on by that sort of thing.

Oddly enough, gamers are very prone to this as well. They take something that is a part of a niche market that doesn't appeal to them (say, FPS's or JRPGs, or games that are specifically made to appeal to the male sexual fantasy) and act like they have some bearing on EVERY GAME THAT IS MADE EVER. Pointing out tropes that are pretty universal among many types of games is a legitimate pursuit (such as women who are wearing little when the rest of the game isn't about the male sexual fantasy), but complaining about scantily clad women in regards to Celebrity Beach Volleyball, or androgynous characters in a Final Fantasy game is a bit redundant.

 

[TheDoctor455]

I wouldn't be surprised to discover that the site was made by an anti-feminist to make them look bad.

Perhaps I am just naive, but I find it hard to believe people that stupid could actually exist.

Sorry, but they do.

I met some in college.

I tested for the usual traits of a troll... none were present. (they hated the attention the building argument was getting, largely because, I suspect, most seemed to agree with me; including the Prof. and TA)

 

[Skratt]

Ah the old feminism sexuality debates. Yeah, you get some real crazies spew forth from this monster of a debate. Remember not to argue with hate. You can't win an argument if the opposing argument is based in emotion. Just make sure they stay in their own section of the playground and the rest of us will be fine.

 

[Bertylicious]

Joking aside someone needs to speak out about how sex with vampires would be nasty. I mean, they're room temperature.

...

Wait, hang on, hang on. Are the vampires in Twilight and Buffy meant to be metaphores for dildos!?

 

[OtherSideofSky]

This is the same site that adores the SCUM Manifesto and has previously advocated for eugenics, the systematic murder of men, and referred to six year old boys as "future rapists". They hold conventions, although they've had a hard time finding a convention space since their private forums were exposed.

The scary thing is how highly placed a lot of these women are. They may be a vocal minority, but they're a vocal minority of people with influential positions in publishing, DV centers and special education, among other fields.

They are holdovers from influential second wave groups like the Red Stockings.

 

[Brandon Logan]

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