Poll: So where do you stand on Anonymous and why?

[Markvtos]

I also find them to be highly hypocritical. How can you fight for the freedom to access information, when you're keeping information about yourself a secret?

Hi, my name is John Doe, I live at 123 made Up Street. I wish to take a stand online against corruption, abuse of power, and suppression of information and human rights. ...oh I've been arrested, well that was short-lived.

Knowing my name is information no-one needs to know. When a government breaks the law and tries to hide it, that's information everyone should know, it's not hypocritical at all.

What makes that information everyone needs to know, and who says people need to know it? And why exactly does everyone need to know it? And why is it ok to post someones name, social security number, address, and phone number on the internet simply because they don't like said person(Aaron Barr), while at the same time, not revealing who they are?

Because they're hypocrites.

Another person missing the point. SOME Anonymous people do what you said. One element may be into trolling, another not. I surf 4chan, have done for quite a while now. I don't agree with a lot of posts on there, especially on /b/, but those are the ones i would ignore.

What one anonymous user does, or even a few, can't be used to condemn the entire collective userbase that call themselves anonymous.

It's a bit like life. In life, people are generally good, i believe that... but you will meet the odd person who is a complete ass-hat. Just because some people are idiots, would you condemn all people as such? No, of course not.

It needs repeating here: Anon is not a group, and it has no goals. No one represents Anon, and no actions represent Anon. It only represents the core ideologies of the people behind the actions who have decided to use the term "Anonymous".

 

[Markvtos]

I'm surprised by the amount of people attempting to negate the value of an opinion based on the idea that "it is not a group" or "you can't have an opinion about things that don't meet X,Y, and Z parameters"... since when? You can have an opinion on anything - doesn't mean all opinions are intelligent or well-rounded or even more than laughable, but people can have an opinion about whatever.

People are saying it's not a group because it isn't. That's just people correcting other people.

People are entitled to whatever opinion they want, it's just worth explaining what exactly they are having an opinion on.

 

[Markvtos]

Think about it like this:

Say tomorrow me and 5 other anons harass some girl, and bully her online to get nudes pictures, and then i post them around. Thus humiliating her. Now, would those actions of the few REALLY represent the MILLIONS who visit 4chan and call themselves Anonymous?... Most of whom would be as disgusted at those actions as you would be.

If someone from here does something wrong ever, i'll make sure to blame the whole site and see how you feel.

 

[DudeD1020]

I don't really like them. The only thing I really remember them doing that is any good is standing up against censorship with the wikileaks thing. I also remember then going around attacking peoples religion. The religion here being scientology. Which, no matter what you think about it, isn't cool to do to ANY religion.

Whole different issue there kid. I don't care what official standing they have, Scientology is a cult, and a dangerous one at that. Just as you have the right to speak for them, i have the same right to speak against them, and if some people want to protest against them, well they have that right as well.

I'm sorry but this attack a religion thing is not just.
You are not a person with an authority, nor is there a person with the authority to say what is and is not a religion. But do you remember the holocaust?
Yes it was started by one man, but he started it by planning assaults, robberies, and attacks on the Jewish people. So if Anon is attacking religious websites, organizations, buildings, and practitioners then you and anyone that supports this act could be encouraging the type of hatred that cost the lives of millions.

 

[Chainsaws_of_War_2]

I hope you all realize you're discussing Anonymous as it was mid 2006. Now it's just a bunch of 15-17 year olds posting porn and trying to get posts with identical numbers as the last two digits of their post numbers (A.K.A. dubs). If you don't believe me, go check for yourself.

It's no organization, hell it's barely referred to as Anonymous anymore (except by 13 year olds who are years late and want to be part of a movement so they can tell their friends about it). If you all think it has any influence at all anymore, you're horribly mistaken.

EDIT: Let me put it this way. /b/, the board on 4chan you're probably all referring to, is more akin to Gaia now than what you're discussing.

They even have a specific board just to hate on video games .. its called Vee I think.

Associating Anonymous with a non-moderated imageboard these days is a little silly. I feel like everyone is forgetting what the definition of anonymous means. You really have no idea who's behind the sites going down, how old they are, and what they do. Throwing slurs at an infamous site does nothing, it's like calling pedophiles evil.

Sure it's what they are, but everyone knows it.

 

[Corkydog]

I don't really like them. The only thing I really remember them doing that is any good is standing up against censorship with the wikileaks thing. I also remember then going around attacking peoples religion. The religion here being scientology. Which, no matter what you think about it, isn't cool to do to ANY religion.

Whole different issue there kid. I don't care what official standing they have, Scientology is a cult, and a dangerous one at that. Just as you have the right to speak for them, i have the same right to speak against them, and if some people want to protest against them, well they have that right as well.

I'm sorry but this attack a religion thing is not just.
You are not a person with an authority, nor is there a person with the authority to say what is and is not a religion. But do you remember the holocaust?
Yes it was started by one man, but he started it by planning assaults, robberies, and attacks on the Jewish people. So if Anon is attacking religious websites, organizations, buildings, and practitioners then you and anyone that supports this act could be encouraging the type of hatred that cost the lives of millions.

There is a phenonomally huge difference between Anonymous and Hitler. What you just did there is called a logical fallacy.

 

[tthor]

i sometimes despise them, and sometimes greatly admire them
I'm honestly considering joining anonymous, tho i don't think the anonymous's social experience is much to look forward to x_x

 

[Markvtos]

I don't really like them. The only thing I really remember them doing that is any good is standing up against censorship with the wikileaks thing. I also remember then going around attacking peoples religion. The religion here being scientology. Which, no matter what you think about it, isn't cool to do to ANY religion.

Whole different issue there kid. I don't care what official standing they have, Scientology is a cult, and a dangerous one at that. Just as you have the right to speak for them, i have the same right to speak against them, and if some people want to protest against them, well they have that right as well.

I'm sorry but this attack a religion thing is not just.
You are not a person with an authority, nor is there a person with the authority to say what is and is not a religion. But do you remember the holocaust?
Yes it was started by one man, but he started it by planning assaults, robberies, and attacks on the Jewish people. So if Anon is attacking religious websites, organizations, buildings, and practitioners then you and anyone that supports this act could be encouraging the type of hatred that cost the lives of millions.

Wait... You're comparing legitimate protest to the FUCKING Holocaust?

Fine. No one should ever be allowed to protest about anything ever again, lest it's hurts anyones feeling and starts the Holocaust 2.

Just listen to yourself before you speak, you idiot.

 

[DudeD1020]

There is a phenomenally huge difference between Anonymous and Hitler. What you just did there is called a logical fallacy.

Really, you know every single person? You know how much hate, evil, and darkness is in their hearts?
In an internet based group of anonymous "heroes" that plan attacks and raids there is likely at least one man, woman, or child that has an unnatural hate for a certain group with no roots in reality. The members may not want to go genocidal but attacking a religion is not right.

 

[tthor]

I don't really like them. The only thing I really remember them doing that is any good is standing up against censorship with the wikileaks thing. I also remember then going around attacking peoples religion. The religion here being scientology. Which, no matter what you think about it, isn't cool to do to ANY religion.

Whole different issue there kid. I don't care what official standing they have, Scientology is a cult, and a dangerous one at that. Just as you have the right to speak for them, i have the same right to speak against them, and if some people want to protest against them, well they have that right as well.

I'm sorry but this attack a religion thing is not just.
You are not a person with an authority, nor is there a person with the authority to say what is and is not a religion. But do you remember the holocaust?
Yes it was started by one man, but he started it by planning assaults, robberies, and attacks on the Jewish people. So if Anon is attacking religious websites, organizations, buildings, and practitioners then you and anyone that supports this act could be encouraging the type of hatred that cost the lives of millions.

Wait... You're comparing legitimate protest to the FUCKING Holocaust?

Fine. No one should ever be allowed to protest about anything ever again, lest it's hurts anyones feeling and starts the Holocaust 2.

Just listen to yourself before you speak, you idiot.

http://bios.weddingbee.com/pics/41540/dont-feed-the-troll.jpg

 

[Deadman Walkin]

I like them. They stand for free speech, and they don't back down when billion dollar corporations and the fbi try to shut them down. They have spine.

 

[Markvtos]

I don't really like them. The only thing I really remember them doing that is any good is standing up against censorship with the wikileaks thing. I also remember then going around attacking peoples religion. The religion here being scientology. Which, no matter what you think about it, isn't cool to do to ANY religion.

Whole different issue there kid. I don't care what official standing they have, Scientology is a cult, and a dangerous one at that. Just as you have the right to speak for them, i have the same right to speak against them, and if some people want to protest against them, well they have that right as well.

I'm sorry but this attack a religion thing is not just.
You are not a person with an authority, nor is there a person with the authority to say what is and is not a religion. But do you remember the holocaust?
Yes it was started by one man, but he started it by planning assaults, robberies, and attacks on the Jewish people. So if Anon is attacking religious websites, organizations, buildings, and practitioners then you and anyone that supports this act could be encouraging the type of hatred that cost the lives of millions.

Wait... You're comparing legitimate protest to the FUCKING Holocaust?

Fine. No one should ever be allowed to protest about anything ever again, lest it's hurts anyones feeling and starts the Holocaust 2.

Just listen to yourself before you speak, you idiot.

http://bios.weddingbee.com/pics/41540/dont-feed-the-troll.jpg

Yeah, i think i was trolled hard.

I may not like Scientology, but i was hardly suggesting we throw them in gas chambers!!

Is swearing even allowed on here?

 

[-Samurai-]

Another person missing the point. SOME Anonymous people do what you said. One element may be into trolling, another not. I surf 4chan, have done for quite a while now. I don't agree with a lot of posts on there, especially on /b/, but those are the ones i would ignore.

What one anonymous user does, or even a few, can't be used to condemn the entire collective userbase that call themselves anonymous.

It's a bit like life. In life, people are generally good, i believe that... but you will meet the odd person who is a complete ass-hat. Just because some people are idiots, would you condemn all people as such? No, of course not.

It needs repeating here: Anon is not a group, and it has no goals. No one represents Anon, and no actions represent Anon. It only represents the core ideologies of the people behind the actions who have decided to use the term "Anonymous".

I condemn them all individually. Not a single one of them has ever committed even 1 act showing that they even deserve to use the internet. Everything they've done is counter-productive to whatever ridiculous cause they think they're fighting for.

It doesn't matter if it's a group or a random assortment of people acting separately. They're still individually scum, making the entire "group" scum, and I honestly can't wait until they they all get caught in the act and get prosecuted to the full extend of the law.

Wanna be e-vigilantes have no place in this world, especially when the vigilantism does nothing but hurt the average, law abiding citizen.

 

[Corkydog]

There is a phenomenally huge difference between Anonymous and Hitler. What you just did there is called a logical fallacy.

Really, you know every single person? You know how much hate, evil, and darkness is in their hearts?
In an internet based group of anonymous "heroes" that plan attacks and raids there is likely at least one man, woman, or child that has an unnatural hate for a certain group with no roots in reality. The members may not want to go genocidal but attacking a religion is not right.

Okay. We are all going to cool down a little here.

Having dark thoughts does not equal being Hitler. To be like Hitler, someone would have to kill millions of innocents and spark an international conflict resulting in millions more casualties.

Also, one member of the group may have misguided ideas. But as with any group, individual ideas are basically meaningless, and, here is the important bit, doubly so in an "organization" that has no real leader or formal agenda.

Also, Anonymous doesn't really attack religions. Scientology is a cult flirting on scam. No other faith has been attacked by them.

 

[-Samurai-]

They have spine.

You do realize the irony in saying that a group of people hiding behind anonymity to commit crimes has spine, right?

 

[Roxor]

I would like to see Anonymous take on Sony. Sony could certainly do with a punch in the face for their recent actions.

 

[Tiger Sora]

I'm just a spectator, watching from the stands. Getting a kick here and there. Cheering one moment and booing the next. They're not doing anything new that hasn't been done, cept that they're in the inter-tubes.
Mining for targets and riding around in their fancy mine-tube carts, which i wish I had one.

 

[Markvtos]

Another person missing the point. SOME Anonymous people do what you said. One element may be into trolling, another not. I surf 4chan, have done for quite a while now. I don't agree with a lot of posts on there, especially on /b/, but those are the ones i would ignore.

What one anonymous user does, or even a few, can't be used to condemn the entire collective userbase that call themselves anonymous.

It's a bit like life. In life, people are generally good, i believe that... but you will meet the odd person who is a complete ass-hat. Just because some people are idiots, would you condemn all people as such? No, of course not.

It needs repeating here: Anon is not a group, and it has no goals. No one represents Anon, and no actions represent Anon. It only represents the core ideologies of the people behind the actions who have decided to use the term "Anonymous".

I condemn them all individually. Not a single one of them has ever committed even 1 act showing that they even deserve to use the internet. Everything they've done is counter-productive to whatever ridiculous cause they think they're fighting for.

It doesn't matter if it's a group or a random assortment of people acting separately. They're still individually scum, making the entire "group" scum, and I honestly can't wait until they they all get caught in the act and get prosecuted to the full extend of the law.

Wanna be e-vigilantes have no place in this world, especially when the vigilantism does nothing but hurt the average, law abiding citizen.

I agree with you 100%. If you have a cause, there's nothing quite like idiocy to make your cause look totally stupid. It's almost a shame they have to use the handle Anonymous, because it just drags the whole thing down, but that's just the reality of the situation.

 

[Actual]

I also find them to be highly hypocritical. How can you fight for the freedom to access information, when you're keeping information about yourself a secret?

Hi, my name is John Doe, I live at 123 made Up Street. I wish to take a stand online against corruption, abuse of power, and suppression of information and human rights. ...oh I've been arrested, well that was short-lived.

Knowing my name is information no-one needs to know. When a government breaks the law and tries to hide it, that's information everyone should know, it's not hypocritical at all.

What makes that information everyone needs to know, and who says people need to know it? And why exactly does everyone need to know it? And why is it ok to post someones name, social security number, address, and phone number on the internet simply because they don't like said person(Aaron Barr), while at the same time, not revealing who they are?

Because they're hypocrites.

Aaron Barr is a criminal who was protected by the US government. Organising an immoral campaign of disinformation, blackmail of journalists and theft of private information which they were then planning to sell for a profit to American intelligence services. You seem to have strong opinions on the matter and that's a good thing but you should find out the facts before coming to conclusions. These are facts that Anon made available to everyone by posting the information online.

If he's not going to be tried for his crimes he should at least be publicly shamed for it, which Anon have taken a small step towards.

 

[-Samurai-]

I also find them to be highly hypocritical. How can you fight for the freedom to access information, when you're keeping information about yourself a secret?

Hi, my name is John Doe, I live at 123 made Up Street. I wish to take a stand online against corruption, abuse of power, and suppression of information and human rights. ...oh I've been arrested, well that was short-lived.

Knowing my name is information no-one needs to know. When a government breaks the law and tries to hide it, that's information everyone should know, it's not hypocritical at all.

What makes that information everyone needs to know, and who says people need to know it? And why exactly does everyone need to know it? And why is it ok to post someones name, social security number, address, and phone number on the internet simply because they don't like said person(Aaron Barr), while at the same time, not revealing who they are?

Because they're hypocrites.

Aaron Barr is a criminal who was protected by the US government. Organising an immoral campaign of disinformation, blackmail of journalists and theft of private information which they were then planning to sell for a profit to American intelligence services. You seem to have strong opinions on the matter and that's a good thing but you should find out the facts before coming to conclusions. These are facts that Anon made available to everyone by posting the information online.

If he's not going to be tried for his crimes he should at least be publicly shamed for it, which Anon have taken a small step towards.

Criminals trying to punish criminals for committing crimes. We're right back to my first post here.