Poll: Star Wars or Star trek?
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I like both franchises. Overall the best storytelling and most original concepts came from the first three star wars films. However i felt i brought into the star trek universe considerably more than the star wars universe. Its just little things like technology in star wars seeming to get better the further back in time you go but it all adds up for me.
Thank you. Your choice in clips was far better than mine.Matthew94 said:This guy gets it!Signa said:
I would like to throw in two scenes of my own. Hell, we could do this all day with DS9 and TNG.
This one really speaks to me. We shouldn't judge people just because of where they are from or who they are associated with. I know that's an obvious thing but this scene shows how things can go wrong though people may still have good intentions.
Don't need to say much about this one. It's the first truly epic TNG episode and it showed what the series could achieve in the future.
Really, it is kinda unfair to compare the two series, but they do embody Science-Fiction vs Science-Fantasy. Fantasy is fun, but it rarely can be used in the same way fiction can. Fantasy just lets you explore the limits of your imagination, but fiction lets you explore things that merely may not have happened yet. It's still bound to reality, and we all can learn from reality, not our imaginations.
At least that's my take on it. If this question is boiling down to Sci-fi vs Sci-fant, then that is a good question in of itself.
Star Wars. It's a fun adventure.
For some reason to me, Star Trek always seemed to... full of itself. I don't know how else to explain it, and I have to admit I am a little biased since I was raised by a mother who knew every single, and this is not exageration, line ever said in Star Wars (New Hope).
For some reason to me, Star Trek always seemed to... full of itself. I don't know how else to explain it, and I have to admit I am a little biased since I was raised by a mother who knew every single, and this is not exageration, line ever said in Star Wars (New Hope).
Well, Voyager came out years before the Special Editions did.....alik44 said:
Yeah, Voyager is kinda shitty. Don't get me wrong, Janeway is great, but she's a bipolar maniac who will risk her crew member's safety one episode for an alien species, and then blow another alien species to bits the next episode if they get in her way.
Plus they turned the Borg from a credible threat into frankenstein robo zombies. I mean come on. One Borg Cube almost assimilated Earth, with Enterprise only winning through sheer luck.
Voyager took on an entire fucking fleet of Borg Cubes and tore them to pieces using bullshit technobabble.
I'm going to go with star trek, even though it has its camp moments it never looses sight of what makes it enjoyable, star wars, yes i love star wars too, but it did start to loose it at episode 6 (fucking ewoks) and then completely screwed the pooch in episodes 1-3 (not terrible movies, but not as good as the pedigree they came from)
Star trek gave us a lot of incredible moments, some bold and deep storylines on the nature of humanity, and yes campy moments, it made a balding, middle aged thespian sexy as hell. i find the characters richer, the universe deeper and more complex, i loved the shows, all of them, even ent and voyager, the performances from the actors were consistently good too, unlike star wars, with natalie portman's wooden emotions and hayden's inability to replicate anything resembling a character.
Star trek has been very good with it's writers too, which tends to happen with a television series where they can bring writers in and out.
now for the bulk, the franchise is immense and what they did on television was astounding
you had
Original, The next Generation, Deep Space 9, Voyager, Enterprise, movies like Star Trek: The motion Picture, Wrath of Kahn, Search for Spock, The Voyage Home, Final Frontier, the extremely topical Undiscovered country (which remains my second favorite next to wrath) Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, Nemesis and the reboot.
not to mention books penned by former series alumni like William Shatner and Jonathan Frakes.
besides all that, i just never found star wars all that deep thematically or in it's narrative, good was good, evil was evil and grey didn't actually exist because the characters were flat stereotypes
Star trek gave us a lot of incredible moments, some bold and deep storylines on the nature of humanity, and yes campy moments, it made a balding, middle aged thespian sexy as hell. i find the characters richer, the universe deeper and more complex, i loved the shows, all of them, even ent and voyager, the performances from the actors were consistently good too, unlike star wars, with natalie portman's wooden emotions and hayden's inability to replicate anything resembling a character.
Star trek has been very good with it's writers too, which tends to happen with a television series where they can bring writers in and out.
now for the bulk, the franchise is immense and what they did on television was astounding
you had
Original, The next Generation, Deep Space 9, Voyager, Enterprise, movies like Star Trek: The motion Picture, Wrath of Kahn, Search for Spock, The Voyage Home, Final Frontier, the extremely topical Undiscovered country (which remains my second favorite next to wrath) Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, Nemesis and the reboot.
not to mention books penned by former series alumni like William Shatner and Jonathan Frakes.
besides all that, i just never found star wars all that deep thematically or in it's narrative, good was good, evil was evil and grey didn't actually exist because the characters were flat stereotypes
You just said everything that I wanted to say in my first post, but I got lazy about it.wrightguy0 said:
Don't forget awesome and memorable villians like the Borg and Klingons (well, sometimes), and I honestly can't name any from Star Wars outside of just coping out and saying the Empire. Plus, I enjoyed the Star Trek movies way more than I did with Star Wars, even Nemesis where I thought it wasn't as good.
The Next Generation was the best version in my opinion.
I love the Klingons actually, the dynamic they have with the federation is similar to so many different nations on earth, they can be friendly, cold, at all out war and even work together, i also thought DS9 did a great job fleshing out the Cardassians, the shows tend to show the species they treat as antagonists in a very realistic light with many shades of grey between them and realistic motivations.Fiz_The_Toaster said:
I like the Klingons too, and I thought they were a nice contrast to the Federation. One is all peaceful and would rather do negotiations while the Klingons would rather shot first and ask questions later.wrightguy0 said:
I like the Borg just as much because of how merciless they are and their arcs are just great and have asesome story telling. They're also a little scary just because of how uncaring they are towards everyone and just do things under the collective.
I liked DS9 as well, and I thought Captain Sisko [footnote]I meant Sisko not Sheridan. YOU SAW NOTHING.[/footnote] was an awesome Captain and fit the series rather well. I didn't know much of the Cardassians until that show and I love them for it. Worf and Mr. O'Brian was an added bonus for me.
I loved, loved, loved Star Wars, but right now I gotta say Star Trek.
The classic SW trilogy were almost perfect movies for me, but Lucas ruined that with the new prequels.
In the other hand, I've been watching all Star Trek Next Generation episodes for the first time and having an amazing time with all the great sci-fi stories.
So, while I think SW has a great universe and the original movies have great characters and stories and ST has lower quality movies, on a whole Star Trek is a much better franchise with a better quality/quantity ratio.
I like them both though XD
The classic SW trilogy were almost perfect movies for me, but Lucas ruined that with the new prequels.
In the other hand, I've been watching all Star Trek Next Generation episodes for the first time and having an amazing time with all the great sci-fi stories.
So, while I think SW has a great universe and the original movies have great characters and stories and ST has lower quality movies, on a whole Star Trek is a much better franchise with a better quality/quantity ratio.
I like them both though XD
Is that a joke? I mean, Sisko and Sheridan did share a lot in common.Fiz_The_Toaster said:
I'm intrigued how the Trekkies in this thread are willing to explain why they liked the shows compared to how most of the Star Wars fans just say "I loved the movies."
Just sayin'.
I'll pick Star Wars every time, but I can recognize that Star Trek is a hell of a lot more consistent.
At least, I think it is.
At least, I think it is.
Shit, I meant Sisko, and I have no idea why I typed Sheridan.Signa said:
Also, the Star Trek movies were awesome except for a bad bunch like Nemesis and that one movie where they found God, I cant remember the name of it now.
Star Wars is cool, but I think's way over hyped.
There was something I read a while back in regards to plagiarism of Babylon 5 and DS9. I don't remember the details, but DS9 did launch after Bab5 was pitched, so it was entirely possible that Sisko and Sheridan were technically the same person.Fiz_The_Toaster said:
And yeah, Final Frontier is the second worst moment in Star Trek. The episode in Voyager titled "Threshold" wins worst award ever hands down.