Poll: Stealing

[Altorin]

stealing is wrong and its a crime. You can survive through life without stealing. Even if your starving you just need to develop methods.

If you think about it, people steal money from us all the time.
I mean, Microsoft could charge you $1200 for a PC that could be built for $500.

..$700 for Labor and a brand name, I don't think so.

And I'm not just saying Microsoft, many people do it, yet they don't consider it to be "illegal".

that's not stealing.

That's selling. It's selling at an exorbitant price, but if you know your stuff you don't have to pay it. Many people don't know their stuff, and 700 dollars to have someone build your computer and get it to a working state isn't a bad deal for most people.

And you know this to be true. If you're a computer whiz (which I assume you are), how many people who AREN'T a computer whiz do you have to do computer stuff for?

Would your mom, if you weren't around, be able to put a computer together for 500 bucks, all by herself?

 

[Altorin]

How could you say stealing is always wrong? It doesn't make sense to deal in absolutes like that. I really don't think you should begrudge a starving man for stealing a loaf of bread.

In the first world (IE, America, Canada, the UK, etc), there is always places to go if you don't want to starve to death, so it becomes a matter of pride... So if you would prefer your pride at the cost of stealing something that someone might GIVE to you if you ask them humbly and nicely, then that's the cost.

 

[Cakes]

How could you say stealing is always wrong? It doesn't make sense to deal in absolutes like that. I really don't think you should begrudge a starving man for stealing a loaf of bread.

In the first world (IE, America, Canada, the UK, etc), there is always places to go if you don't want to starve to death, so it becomes a matter of pride... So if you would prefer your pride at the cost of stealing something that someone might GIVE to you if you ask them humbly and nicely, then that's the cost.

Most starving people aren't in first world countries, though. Your options would be pretty limited in some less fortunate places.

 

[firedfns13]

I steal/take goggles I find in the locker room or on the pool deck (not locked, not on/in a locker)
However, breaking into my locker, or anyones locker by doing that towel thing, bending the corner, and jacking all their shit is the worse sin anyone can commit, and I will find you.

 

[gagalloogie]

How could you say stealing is always wrong? It doesn't make sense to deal in absolutes like that. I really don't think you should begrudge a starving man for stealing a loaf of bread.

In the first world (IE, America, Canada, the UK, etc), there is always places to go if you don't want to starve to death, so it becomes a matter of pride... So if you would prefer your pride at the cost of stealing something that someone might GIVE to you if you ask them humbly and nicely, then that's the cost.

Most starving people aren't in first world countries, though. Your options would be pretty limited in some less fortunate places.

agree, and multinational corporations etc pay so little to workers in poor countries its virtually stealing anyway, them giving rediculous hours work in poor conditions for little enough food to feed themselves

 

[USSR]

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No, my mother would not be able to.

I consider it to be stealing.

To take money in a way wrongfully, or to gain something trickfully, I don't consider to be right.

If it's about morals with you, selling something $700 above the price it should be is not necessarily being a saint.

If it's about pride, I'll give you another example.

If you could take money from a blind man, would you?

"Sir, I will give you this gold bar, for simply $100"

*Gold bar is actually a heavy gold painted rock.

Blind man= People without computer knowledge.
Gold bar= The piece of crap computer, that isn't worth $1200.

*Note, as you can probably tell, I couldn't get vary creative with that.

 

[Supreme Unleaded]

Well my grandma annoyed me so much i stole $20 bucks from her once, or should i say I stole battlefeild bad company from her, either way. But if you where in my shoes you'd understand she is the dumbest person in the world and she almost burnt our house down... 3 TIMES, 3 BLOODY MOTHER FUCKING TIMES, god i hate her.

 

[Abe_Z]

Only if it will promote me to the rank of shadowfoot! LOL

In all seriousness, I was never bothered by stealing unless it was from a person's home or other type of private property. Stealing from Wal-Mart or Target or some other insanely wealthy giant super corporation is not something I'll lose sleep over. But taking any personal item that belongs to someone who has used hard earned money for is just fucked up.

Steal from the rich; give to the poor... Or, if you're hurting bad enough, just keep it.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Stealing is never right. It doesn't matter what you're situation is, you don't have the right to take what is not yours.

Well my grandma annoyed me so much i stole $20 bucks from her once, or should i say I stole battlefeild bad company from her, either way. But if you where in my shoes you'd understand she is the dumbest person in the world and she almost burnt our house down... 3 TIMES, 3 BLOODY MOTHER FUCKING TIMES, god i hate her.

Your grandma almost burnt down the house, so you decide to steal money from her?

I don't see the logic there.

 

[gagalloogie]

Only if it will promote me to the rank of shadowfoot! LOL

In all seriousness, I was never bothered by stealing unless it was from a person's home or other type of private property. Stealing from Wal-Mart or Target or some other insanely wealthy giant super corporation is not something I'll lose sleep over. But taking any personal item that belongs to someone who has used hard earned money for is just fucked up.

Steal from the rich; give to the poor... Or, if you're hurting bad enough, just keep it.

Lol funny you should say that last line, not only do some of the guys who steal shit from asda give it out amongst people at our college, i also live in Nottingham, home of Robin Hood

 

[Altorin]

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would it be worth 700 dollars to your mother, if she were all by herself, without her strapping young computer genius to put her shit together, to get a computer that works, rather then a bunch of pieces of a computer that she has no idea how to put together?

Selling someone a computer for 500 dollars that they had no clue or ability to put together is worse then charging an extra 700 dollars to put it together for them. A computer can be worth 1200 bucks to someone who doesn't know shit about computers.

And your analogy is so flawed it's not even funny, but at least you tried.. Let me try and fix it.

It would be like, saying to a blind man - I'll sell you this brand new puppy for 500 dollars. You can train it and eventually it'll be a seeing eye dog! Or, I can sell you this Seeing Eye Dog for 1200 dollars, it already knows all of its shit, and it will keep you safe and take you where you need to go - plus it's potty trained!

I know you'll never agree with me, and I agree, 700 dollars to put together a computer IS a little exorbitant, and it probably shouldn't cost MORE to put it together and operational then the pieces, but to a lot of people, it's worth it not to go through the hassle - if you don't know how to put a computer together.. if you've never even seen the inside of a computer.. then it is IMPOSSIBLE to put it together without someone helping you. And if you don't know someone who knows exactly what to do and can teach you, then it's flatout impossible.

 

[Abe_Z]

Only if it will promote me to the rank of shadowfoot! LOL

In all seriousness, I was never bothered by stealing unless it was from a person's home or other type of private property. Stealing from Wal-Mart or Target or some other insanely wealthy giant super corporation is not something I'll lose sleep over. But taking any personal item that belongs to someone who has used hard earned money for is just fucked up.

Steal from the rich; give to the poor... Or, if you're hurting bad enough, just keep it.

Lol funny you should say that last line, not only do some of the guys who steal shit from asda give it out amongst people at our college, i also live in Nottingham, home of Robin Hood

That is awesome!

 

[A Raging Emo]

It depends what you steal.

If you steal a loaf of bread, to eat, and you're starving, I suppose that's OK.

But if you steal a loaf of bread, to eat, and you're starving, along with a toaster tp toast said bread, that could be viewed in a slightly different light.

 

[gagalloogie]

Only if it will promote me to the rank of shadowfoot! LOL

In all seriousness, I was never bothered by stealing unless it was from a person's home or other type of private property. Stealing from Wal-Mart or Target or some other insanely wealthy giant super corporation is not something I'll lose sleep over. But taking any personal item that belongs to someone who has used hard earned money for is just fucked up.

Steal from the rich; give to the poor... Or, if you're hurting bad enough, just keep it.

Lol funny you should say that last line, not only do some of the guys who steal shit from asda give it out amongst people at our college, i also live in Nottingham, home of Robin Hood

That is awesome!

yh the only thing wrong with it, and VERY MORALLY GREY bit, is the fact that they're stealing from the mega rich, and giving to the well off....not the poor

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

Stealing is always wrong. Sometimes it's understandable, sometimes it's not, but it's always wrong, so the moral conundrum lies in whether an understandable need for stealing (food etc) also makes it morally right.

 

[Julianking93]

I don't really care if someone steals from a Mega store like Wal Mart or something. I can't stand those people at the front of Wal Mart who "check" what you've bought to make sure you haven't stolen anything.

There is no way in hell you'd be able to tell what I have in a cart with over 100 dollars worth of food in it. A couple of days ago, one of the checkers stoped me and questioned me for about 10 minutes about whether or not the Pepsi I had was paid for or not while there were plenty of people who look like theives walking right by her.

 

[0p3rati0n]

stealing is wrong and its a crime. You can survive through life without stealing. Even if your starving you just need to develop methods.

Tell that to the guy who lost his job and him and his family are going to be evicted from their home because they can't pay the rent anymore since they need to buy food with the rent money. So they either live on the street and end up having to steal food, or they have shelter for another month and barely get by through stealing some food to tide themselves over.

or you become a nomad in the woods and live off nature. That's what I would do (I'm serious not many people think back to the "classics")

 

[USSR]

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I know my analogy is flawed..
I was eating dinner and wasn't really thinking about the topic.
I was more focused on pasta T.T


Anyways, I don't know if this helps, but there are sites that will do the labor for you, and are at least $500-$600 less than the market price.

I don't know a single person who couldn't build a computer with the basic necessities (there are those options on computer building) when the people from the site does the labor for you.

Basically what I'm saying is, if you won't look at this as stealing, I can't see a plausible reason this would be right though. It may be just because $700+ for labor on something with little work put into it means a lot to the average American, or maybe it's just me in general, but that's not a fair price.

Ripping off your customers has neither pride or morals <.<

 

[Olikunmissile]

You missed a massive point you could of addressed, Kleptomania. The true NEED to steal.

However I chose only if certain conditions are met, it makes sense, even if these days the government give emergency loans for food and such.

 

[Sightless Wisdom]

Stealing is only wrong when you get caught.

That's about right. Although to be fair, wealthy people stealing useless things is...immoral if you're so inclined to care about such things.