Poll: Storm troopers or Clone troopers

[TheBlackWaterMan]

The Empire was evil so they would have more rules and tougher training so ya they would probbaly be tougher . . .

 

[dragonslayer32]

clone troopers could actually shoot straight, unlike the storm troopers who couldnt hit the broad side of a barn

 

[GundamSentinel]

The Clone troopers were more competent (better training). The Storm troopers had numbers and better equipment.

 

[direkiller]

AT-AT > AT-TE
+the stormtroopers gunners on the death star did take down porkens and that just an instant win right there

 

[lolmynamewastaken]

clones every time, the storm troopers had less style and only fought pussy rebels (and lost i might add) where as the clones kicked the ass of a massive amount of driods and anything else that they were likely to lose against.

 

[^=ash=^]

Clones looked a lot more awesome in my opinion .. and the troopers just seemed a little .. dim

 

[Azron_Stoma]

At first I was afraid of replying in this threat for fear of thread necro, but considering the date difference between Rolling Thunder and TheBlackWaterMan, my post doesn't have nearly as large of a gap.

In any case Clone Troopers set the standard by which the Stormtroopers HAD to measure up to in order to make the cut, and I might add, any scene in the original trilogy that we see Stormtroopers shooting to kill, we see them have the exact same accuracy as the Clone Troopers (ref, boarding of the Tantive IV)

As for anyone who thinks that Stormtroopers are bad shots, I refer you to here.

http://www.adpov.net/2005/03/09/adpov-001/

Stormtroopers however have the edge in terms of equipment, but given the same equipment both would perform roughly the same way, Stormtrooper armour doesn't provide any more protection than clone trooper armour, but it does provide better mobility and data with any reduction of protection purely academic.

the main reason the Empire lost was because the Emperor bet the farm on trying to turn Luke to the dark side (something he did prior to turn Anakin and won.) As well as the fact that their military was optimized to fight an open war like the Clone Wars, rather than a guerrilla war like the GCW.

Most Importantly, the Force was on the Rebel's side and George Lucas wanted a happy ending.

 

[Valkyrie101]

They were pretty similar. The Clone Troopers seem to do better in the films, but only because the Storm Troopers were severely underpowered in their representation. In the universe's reality, they were hardened, elite shock troops, among the bets in the galaxy. Obviously this would get in the way of the narrative, so they were issued blindfolds.

Actually, looking at it again, the Clones looked pretty shit in the films, although I think that's the result of Hollywood tactics.

 

[llew]

Ok, clearly Clones. Read the Republic Commando Novels, when they sped up the Clones Troopers growth, from a 10 year, to a Year, their marksmanship, tactics, and even unit cohesion went down. You can't flash teach as well as you could train'em. I mean the ARC and ARC Null's proved that, considering the bar none compared to the rest of Grand Republic Army.

On top of the fact, all Clone Troopers used Jango fett's genetics, later in the fiction, they started using other templates for Storm Troopers, to prevent another Kamino incident when they rebelled with their own Jango Army, and those Clones they had were like the ARC's(Advance Recon Commando's) pure knuckle dragging, bad tempered, JANGO FETT.

Clone Troopers, by a LONG SHOT. I mean even the regular units started picking up Mando'a.

Storm Troopers only had one unit that was pure Jango after the events of Episode Three, the 501st.

and to quote from wiki " a man between the ages of 18 and 30 scored in the top fifth percentile, an Imperial recruiting agent would contact him and presumably arrange DNA sampling for cloning. Men who didn't score that high were still wanted as regular soldiers. Also, it was preferable if stormtrooper recruits met a certain standard in height and weight. Princess Leia Organa was seemingly familiar with these standards by 0 BBY, perhaps as a result of her work with the Imperial Senate."

Storm Troopers lack any purity, in fact all verterns of the Clone Wars use to refere to none fett clones as "The new guys".

you appear to have put alot of effort into this... did you have alot of spare time or just lack a life? no offence either way

 

[CruelSpider]

Sadly, I can't show off my Star Wars knowledge of the Clone Trooper-Storm Trooper controversy because between Trivun, seerbrum, and Simriel it's been pretty much covered.

Clone Troopers, obviously, but I think my second click to switch my vote didn't work. -_-;

 

[Azron_Stoma]

So they were issued blindfolds.

You didn't go to the link I provided did you? Hell, considering how close some of those blaster bolts got to Han Solo's face, It's actually a sign of them having incredible accuracy since they were missing on purpose.

Actually, looking at it again, the Clones looked pretty shit in the films, although I think that's the result of Hollywood tactics.

Better than most Sci-Fi Hollywood tactics though, at least they understood the concepts of Combined arms and such, which carries over into the Stormtroopers too.

Also take a look at modern military accuracy ratios, they aren't exactly perfect shots either, even Special Forces Operators, the fact that most of their bullets are too small to see (except for tracers which move at about the same speed as Blaster bolts) makes it somewhat deceptive.

Obviously Vader's Fist were still as good as ever though, but the new guys weren't battle hardened like the Clone Troopers were. Therefore I think the Clone Troopers were better.

Massive problem with that logic, if you are trying to rationalize Clone Troopers and Stormtroopers appearing to have some form of skill discrepancy (which, they do not) You forgot to take into account the fact that The 501st were the only legion shown in the films shooting to kill.

Not to mention that the Battlefront 2 based theory is overridden by the Films, not one of the Stormtroopers have Jango Fett's voice, not even in the DVD release that overdubbed Boba to make him sound like his dad, doesn't help that so many troops vary in height. It's far more likely that first they added in new clone templates, then sometime in between Episodes 3 and IV they added in freeborn recruits, while the 501st may have been exempt from the other templates, that exception was repealed and they were no longer a "pure" unit. Even so, the Rebels were even more diverse, being made up of various races rather than just humans, and they had no such trouble with unit cohesion.

Read the Republic Commando Novels

Written by Karen Traviss, who's infamous Mandalorian Bias is Legendary (yes I know, department of redundancy department, but you really can't stress it enough sometimes) and one of the main reasons she was practically fired (the crappy Legacy novel didn't help, where her Mando wank reached truly epic proportions and quite frankly was the last straw), so it's validity is in serious question.

The clones carried a more powerful weapon than the storm troopers where issued with

E-11s are actually about the same if not greater power when kicked up to full, but they have shorter range much like the DC-15c. That isn't really an issue when your primary role is peacekeeping rather than open warfare and the 1km-15km range of the DC-15 was, if anything, unnecessary, we saw Sandtroopers equipped with much bigger guns than the Clones had (not including ARC or Commando exclusive weapons, but we never saw their Imperial Analogues and it would be silly to assume that none exist, for all we know they might still be in service) The T-21 and the DLT-19 are both much heavier than the DC-15.

All in all, the Empire's Military is a net Improvement over the Clone Wars. TIE Fighters are better than Alpha Nimbus V-wings and Eta-2 Actis, TIE Bombers are better than Y-wings (which had to be pushed so hard by the Rebellion to stay viable that they eventually just stripped down their casings due to the constant maintenance they required.) Republic stuff was prettier yes, but the Empire was far more utilitarian with an emphasis on performance.

 

[Aerowaves]

Guys.

EWOKS.

 

[TheMatt]

Ok, clearly Clones. Read the Republic Commando Novels, when they sped up the Clones Troopers growth, from a 10 year, to a Year, their marksmanship, tactics, and even unit cohesion went down. You can't flash teach as well as you could train'em. I mean the ARC and ARC Null's proved that, considering the bar none compared to the rest of Grand Republic Army.

On top of the fact, all Clone Troopers used Jango fett's genetics, later in the fiction, they started using other templates for Storm Troopers, to prevent another Kamino incident when they rebelled with their own Jango Army, and those Clones they had were like the ARC's(Advance Recon Commando's) pure knuckle dragging, bad tempered, JANGO FETT.

Clone Troopers, by a LONG SHOT. I mean even the regular units started picking up Mando'a.

Storm Troopers only had one unit that was pure Jango after the events of Episode Three, the 501st.

and to quote from wiki " a man between the ages of 18 and 30 scored in the top fifth percentile, an Imperial recruiting agent would contact him and presumably arrange DNA sampling for cloning. Men who didn't score that high were still wanted as regular soldiers. Also, it was preferable if stormtrooper recruits met a certain standard in height and weight. Princess Leia Organa was seemingly familiar with these standards by 0 BBY, perhaps as a result of her work with the Imperial Senate."

Storm Troopers lack any purity, in fact all verterns of the Clone Wars use to refere to none fett clones as "The new guys".

this guy wins. They are NOT the same fricken army. Jango clones were produced on kamino, the new ones were grown on one of Coruscants satellites.

Additionally Storm Troopers had downgraded armour and weapons.

 

[Lord Honk]

Well, from a simple biological aspect, and nature telling us that genetical diversity is superior (in general, not always), then the classical stormtroopers were superior in their adaptability.

Also, and I'm just taking this from the "story" of Battlefront II, the clone troopers were exchanged with "normal" recruits due to a mutiny that spread far and wide because the clones had basically the same alignment, i.e. getting all of them to join you isn't much more difficult *ahem* than a single one.

At least that's how I understood it.


Also, "classical" armor > clone armor

 

[Biozilla]

This argument is pointless. It's like asking who truly won in King Kong v.s. Godzilla, it's all opinion based.