I'm just imagining someone watching a person being hit and ignoring it because they didn't want to be rude and interrupt someone's argument by asking what's going on. Sure, it may be difficult to help someone who doesn't want help however there's nothing wrong with interrupting a fight like that one provided you're confident of your own safety. If people are involved in violence they have no right to be offended if people intervene, especially if they're in public.
Is that really hard to imagine? The guy had turned to him and told him to piss off. I'm suggesting that instead of responding to the man, he should have turned to the woman and asked "Is this man bothering you? Would you like to come with me?" I didn't say interupting would be rude. I said asking would have avoided him getting hit by the woman who obviously didn't want to be helped, and it would have saved him the fighting with the man too. I don't know where you got the absurd notions in your post.
Is that really hard to imagine? The guy had turned to him and told him to piss off. I'm suggesting that instead of responding to the man, he should have turned to the woman and asked "Is this man bothering you? Would you like to come with me?" I didn't say interupting would be rude. I said asking would have avoided him getting hit by the woman who obviously didn't want to be helped, and it would have saved him the fighting with the man too. I don't know where you got the absurd notions in your post.
You said: "I think you should have established whether the woman actually wanted help before you engaged the man". Now I assumed you meant engaged as in interacted with/talked to. If you meant "engaged in fisticuffs" then I can see what you were getting at but I still disagree. The way I see it, him fighting the man was not him helping the girl. That was him defending himself. He assisted the girl by interrupting their dispute and asking if everything was ok, that assistance ended the second he was forced to defend himself.
As for your solution, I don't think its a good idea to mediate a dispute by ignoring one party. Bypassing the violent angry drunk man and asking his girlfriend whether or not she'd like to come with you seems like a really good way to start a fight mostly because its pretty blatantly disrespectful. To be fair though most things involving "angry" and "drunk" generally end in violence of some kind.
unrelated, but what annoys me is when it comes to "realism in fiction" the old "women are weaker therefore them fighting is unrealistic" thing gets dragged out
YES it is a biological fact...but for fucks sake we are not make of glass ans polystyrine foam, it is actually possible for a woman to do damage to a man in some degree (and thats not even adressing "exceptions to the rules") realism depends on how the setting/context in the story is presented,like if a man is going after a women his "superior muscle mass" isn't going to do shit if she whips out a gun
I wish some people would stop looking at it in such a black/white way
If one hits me for something I did, I'd take the hit. If we'd never met and she attacks me for no good reason other than she thinks I'm someone else or she's just a deranged psycho *****, well, then my knuckles might get bloody as I defend myself - something I've had a lot of experience in, thanks to being a bully magnet at school - but one with a great temper and the lack of self restraint (back then) to let it all out through my fists.
Or if we were roleplaying. Then I can imagine calling upon all of my frustrations again. But I wouldn't be keen on that kind of roleplay.
I think gender does not matter when it come to "can you strike a person".
However I think "how hard" will have to be controlled depending on the build of the person.
If a woman is rushing towards me with a knife, I think even the court of law will agree on that me hitting her and disarming was right action.
Tho that is Finnish legal system that is not bat shit insane like America's is.
But then again I am sick with neurological condition making my right side weak, I am a pacifist and don't think that violence solves anything.
I'm getting close to 40, and I've yet to throw a punch in anger, or even in self-defense. It's honestly never come up. Probably a good thing, too, as I'd likely break my hand...I'm no Ali. But this is a hypothetical, so for the sake of the hypothetical I GUESS I would strike a guy, if I felt like I really had to. Therefore it stands to reason that I would also strike a girl, if I felt like I really had to. What circumstances those might be is anyone's guess. I see speculation like "She's coming for you with a knife!" but I'd probably be legging it if that was the case. She has a knife!
Punching or striking someone is a really big deal. Not because of the code of chivalry, although admittedly that does register for me, but because you can KILL someone with a wild punch. You can put them in a coma. You could ruin their life, or yours. It's some serious last resort stuff. I've been in fights as a kid, but they were all of the grappling variety where the only thing getting injured was clothing and dignity.
So...long winded answer to "Is it okay to strike women"...the answer is YES...with so many conditions attached it might as well be no. It's not okay to strike anyone you brutes!
I explained that there is no need to get physical and suggested him to calm down
Then he pushed me again, called me a fag and asked what will I do.
Then I once more explained that I will not tolerate such behavior further from excuse of human being.
Then he attempted to punch me, I counterattacked him with 3 hit combo that left him on the ground gasping for air.
I'm sorry...
I'm so sorry, that I can't strangle people through Internet.
(Really God, just one day. I would use that power for good... mostly... well, occasionally... at least once for good. It's a deal?)
While I am supporter of "question everything" ideology, I'm also tired of people dismissing things only because they don't sound fancy enough.
Seriously I was pissed for like 5 minutes (that's a lot for me) after reading this.
What's wrong with "3 hit combo"?
That was combination of at least 3 hits (4 or 5 if we argue).
And combo is short form of combination and often used in games.
This is mostly gaming website, so I simply made it shorter, because I thought that people would understand what I mean.
I don't know how to react to this. I'm sorry?
If I used some invented word instead of "3 hit combo", would it sound more legit?
Then let me pull some word out of my ass, specially for all you skeptics out there.
"Then he attempted to punch me, I counterattacked him with chrammadash that left him on the ground gasping for air."
Now it's mysterious and fancy enough?
BloatedGuppy said:
Punching or striking someone is a really big deal. Not because of the code of chivalry, although admittedly that does register for me, but because you can KILL someone with a wild punch. You can put them in a coma. You could ruin their life, or yours. It's some serious last resort stuff. I've been in fights as a kid, but they were all of the grappling variety where the only thing getting injured was clothing and dignity.
Yeah, that's actually part I always forget during fights
Ex-convict got in similar situation like I did.
He punched the guy once, he landed with his head on some corner. 1 day in coma, then dead.
Problem was that his father was influential man, so he did everything to punish that ex-convict.
Somehow made sure girl stays silent (money or threats), used his contacts to influence a judge and chief of police.
The most fucked up part was that ex-convict really tried to straighten up- got solid job, married, wife were expecting kid.
Sisters co-worker was the one who built the case, and he was sure, that it will go as accident with minor punishment.
Mid-case he was replaced with another investigator and it turned into murder. Ex-convict got maximum sentence.
That was the last drop and sisters co-worker left police.
There might be pre-existing conditions or just plain unlucky fall... and you killed your opponent :/
So yes, it is dangerous.
I explained that there is no need to get physical and suggested him to calm down
Then he pushed me again, called me a fag and asked what will I do.
Then I once more explained that I will not tolerate such behavior further from excuse of human being.
Then he attempted to punch me, I counterattacked him with 3 hit combo that left him on the ground gasping for air.
Not because it didn't sound fancy enough, but because, by and large, people who have been in fights, rarely describe the manner the fight took place in terms of the combos they executed.
If anything, I question your story because it sounds too fancy.
However, how true your story is, is ultimately irrelevant as you posed a good, relevant question on the morals of violence towards females and the circumstances in which it is acceptable - whether or not people believe you on the internet shouldn't matter.
Seriously I was pissed for like 5 minutes (that's a lot for me) after reading this.
Don't, there's nothing really to react to - you posted a story on the internet, a couple of people questioned it's legitimacy. It shouldn't really matter - As I said above, you still posed a good, relevant question which has sparked debate.
Then let me pull some word out of my ass, specially for all you skeptics out there.
"Then he attempted to punch me, I counterattacked him with chrammadash that left him on the ground gasping for air."
Now it's mysterious and fancy enough?
You appear to have missed the point, I hope that my above has clarified why the legitimacy was in question, and ultimately why it shouldn't even matter.
Way I see it, if they start trying to hit me I'm entitled to start trying to hit them back no matter what gender they are.
But I wouldn't just go up to a woman and hit her, same as I wouldn't just hit a random guy off the street
If your a guy you almost always have a clear physical advantage, it's best to restrain rather than hit if your in a situation where you being attacked by a women. I tend to try not to get into fights with anyone if I can avoid it, but I will defend myself if it came down to it and the attackers gender won't stop me doing that by force I deem nessessary.
And lets face it, if your the one defending yourself, it's up to you how much force you need to get someone to stop.
Remember you can always go to the police though, as I witnessed first hand when some horrible drunk women slapped a man because he wouldn't buy the stranger into the bar/drinks. He told her to leave him alone and he wasn't interested, she slapped him. He obviously went mad and started shouting at her, then left and within five minutes had come back with police. Everyone, including me confirmed she had slapped him. The reason I'm saying this story is because of that latent idea in the back of my head that you would almost expect the police to laugh at you for that, I know that sounds bad but it's honestly one of those things isn't it? you got hit by a girl, how weak are you?!
Okay to sum up, don't attack anyone but defend yourself against everyone and don't ever forget if it's a night out their will be coppers somewhere nearby.
By saying "there are times when you have to do something unacceptable", you imply that the action is an acceptable thing to do in that circumstance. So is it acceptable in that case, or isn't it?
Even if my life was in danger, I wouldn't strike a woman. I'm 6'4", and a pretty big guy. I don't like striking anyone, because I might actually kill them. Especially a woman. And I will never kill, under any circumstance.
The results of this poll are rather depressing... 'with a reasons' could constitute anything, from having your kids neutered by the silly *****, to just taking orders from captain teapot-face, who lives in your ear and speaks to you at night... Seriously. Nothing excuses hitting a woman, unless she's hitting you back... hard. And nothing excuses hitting a man, too, on that note. Hitting a human being in general is wrong, because it just means you're pathetic. It means you have nothing to say, no way to defend whatever argument you're trying to make, so you let your barbaric emotions take over and do the 'talking' for you. Physical assault is almost never the answer. Oh, and if some extreme nutty-cake out there is gonna give me an obviously extreme example, along the stupid lines of: 'well what if she was Hitler!' - No. Just no, okay? You're stupid.
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