Cause people are cruel and look at a person and say "You don't have any real problems, you don't deserve to feel that way." with out realizing just because someone has it worse doesn't mean you got it good.
Poll: Suicide
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I had a friend years ago who was suicidal, and even though I pretty much hate them now, that's never something I'd make fun of them over.
I'm not that much of a ****.
If you make fun of someone for having suicidal thoughts, I'd truly believe you're pretty heartless.
Edit: That's not to say I don't make jokes about suicide in general. I make dead baby jokes for chrissakes, any humour is acceptable humour as long as it's not directed at someone. Which isn't humour, that's just being a dick.
I'm not that much of a ****.
If you make fun of someone for having suicidal thoughts, I'd truly believe you're pretty heartless.
Edit: That's not to say I don't make jokes about suicide in general. I make dead baby jokes for chrissakes, any humour is acceptable humour as long as it's not directed at someone. Which isn't humour, that's just being a dick.
I have mocked, but then I found myself in their position a few times coming pretty close myself. Now I don't mock, its a decision you can make, I would never dissuade, only help them rationalize their choice, if they make it, so be it, some times it can do more good them harm for someone to, sometimes.
I don't think I could ever do it myself, seems a bit of a waste to kill someone as awesome as me. Although I would happily die for something, thats how I saw it, if I kill myself I die for nothing, id rather be a martyr
I don't think I could ever do it myself, seems a bit of a waste to kill someone as awesome as me. Although I would happily die for something, thats how I saw it, if I kill myself I die for nothing, id rather be a martyr
It's selfish because it's all about them and they never stop to consider the impact it will have on the lives of other people, suicide can drive a family apart and devastate the lives of the people around them so that they will never recover fully. But do they stop to consider this? No they don't they just think about them selves and screw everyone else who cares about them, loves them, or want to help them. Non of that matters to them, they wash they hands of all responsibility they have. Yeah so your really depressed? Then man up and ask for help, the people who truly care for you will stand by you and help you however they can no matter what. Nothing in life worth anything comes without pain and heartache. They take the easy way out, so yeah it is the height of selfishness.Womplord said:
So if you want to die you should force yourself to stay alive for the benefit of others? Thats a terrible reason for choosing to live. A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeysx EvilErmine x said:
If someone was seriously suicidal i dont think they would just go around telling everyone, if they were seriously depressed it would be kept inside, or between them and a psychologist
those who go around spouting oh im gonna end it all are usually just after attention and not actually considering doing it
those who go around spouting oh im gonna end it all are usually just after attention and not actually considering doing it
I've never understood the selfishness argument.
People are not really given many choices in this world. You don't choose your life circumstances, you don't choose to have a mental illness or to die of an agonizing degenerative disorder at age 30. But you can almost always choose to exist or not to exist, that's one of very few rights which can truly claim any kind of universality.
And you know what. If people want to mock that choice, so fucking what? It doesn't make it less of a choice, it just makes those people insecure little cunts trying and failing to reconcile themselves to death.
People who actually willingly kill themselves with perfect intention, it's generally a split second thing. They see an opportunity and take it in that moment because they literally can't take another second. There's very little which can be done in that case other than predicting the opportunities and trying to prevent them arising. Mock those people all you want, if you need to mock anyone. It won't change anything.
The people who think about suicide and plan it in detail and endlessly 'attempt', they don't generally want to die. They might be having trouble seeing the choice, and there are reasons for that which I don't really think it's acceptable to be ignorant of in the 21st century.
Those are the people who actually need intervention, and they're the people you're 'failing' by not taking seriously, because quite often those people do end up succeeding against their own better judgement.
On the subject of shitty lives, believe me, there are worse - I could throw out several real-life examples of worse right now from my own experience. That's not the point, the point is how you deal with it and how you react. Abuse as a child actually hardens you. It teaches you to dissociate, which won't always stop you killing yourself, but it means you can avoid dealing with things in the same way most people have to. Experiences are never comprable, and 'it can always be worse' doesn't cut it.
People are not really given many choices in this world. You don't choose your life circumstances, you don't choose to have a mental illness or to die of an agonizing degenerative disorder at age 30. But you can almost always choose to exist or not to exist, that's one of very few rights which can truly claim any kind of universality.
And you know what. If people want to mock that choice, so fucking what? It doesn't make it less of a choice, it just makes those people insecure little cunts trying and failing to reconcile themselves to death.
Actually, those are the people who generally need your help.dogstile said:
People who actually willingly kill themselves with perfect intention, it's generally a split second thing. They see an opportunity and take it in that moment because they literally can't take another second. There's very little which can be done in that case other than predicting the opportunities and trying to prevent them arising. Mock those people all you want, if you need to mock anyone. It won't change anything.
The people who think about suicide and plan it in detail and endlessly 'attempt', they don't generally want to die. They might be having trouble seeing the choice, and there are reasons for that which I don't really think it's acceptable to be ignorant of in the 21st century.
Those are the people who actually need intervention, and they're the people you're 'failing' by not taking seriously, because quite often those people do end up succeeding against their own better judgement.
On the subject of shitty lives, believe me, there are worse - I could throw out several real-life examples of worse right now from my own experience. That's not the point, the point is how you deal with it and how you react. Abuse as a child actually hardens you. It teaches you to dissociate, which won't always stop you killing yourself, but it means you can avoid dealing with things in the same way most people have to. Experiences are never comprable, and 'it can always be worse' doesn't cut it.
Tell a joke that doesn't make you look like an arsehole about a 5 month old baby girl being raped by an 18 years old man. Shit like that actually happens.Kortney said:
Change that attitude and you might actually save a life someday: Simone Back Announces Suicide On Facebook--And None Of Her Friends Help [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/05/simone-back-facebook-suicide_n_804566.html]Digital_Hero said:
Thank you for clearing up that myth.Icehearted said:
I think ive had the opportunity and even have gotten the joke to take form in my mind but ive never said it.
Icehearted said:
Well it depends, if I break my spine and can barley do anything else than drooling I would rather kill myself but if I've experienced and still experience a shitload of constant problems you're just an coward trying to escape reality.
You gotta understand there's a lot of different situations with different answers, so stop generalizing.
Everyone's experience of suicidal thoughts is different. I think a lot of people find it difficult to relate to another person's despair, because the things that would perhaps drive you to the point of feeling that way are not that same as the next person.
Suicidal feelings also are not the same as suicide. Practically every person in the world will experience that feeling that sometimes, it would just be easier not to wake up tomorrow morning, or that feeling that perhaps if you just drove into that truck, it'd be easier for everybody.
I spend a lot of time speaking to suicidal people and a lot of time speaking to people who are such adamant survivors that suicide doesn't cross their mind. Neither thing is an "incorrect" reaction to their pain- it's just that they're different.
Knowing that, as part of my job, I may one day be expected to stay on the phone while someone commits suicide changes how you see it. My training involved understanding that no one has the right to judge the suffering or needs of another person in distress- a lot of people simply don't feel that way.
Suicidal feelings also are not the same as suicide. Practically every person in the world will experience that feeling that sometimes, it would just be easier not to wake up tomorrow morning, or that feeling that perhaps if you just drove into that truck, it'd be easier for everybody.
I spend a lot of time speaking to suicidal people and a lot of time speaking to people who are such adamant survivors that suicide doesn't cross their mind. Neither thing is an "incorrect" reaction to their pain- it's just that they're different.
Knowing that, as part of my job, I may one day be expected to stay on the phone while someone commits suicide changes how you see it. My training involved understanding that no one has the right to judge the suffering or needs of another person in distress- a lot of people simply don't feel that way.
I never said that, I said suicide is the height of selfishness. If you really want to kill your self then go ahead, but know that it's selfish and basically you are saying to all the people around you, your parents, friends and lovers that everything they have ever done for you all the sacrifices they have made for you means nothing to you.SaneAmongInsane said:
why is it our dicision? if they want to kill themselves let them. they have all ready made there mind. think of it as natural selection, "strengthening the species".
I think I'd never mock someone who is considering suicide. I mean, that just spells trouble.
Though i have made jokes when someone was also joking about committing suicide. But someone who is actually really depressed and really is thinking about ending his own life? Hell no. I mean, sure, I'd try to talk him out of it, but not hope that making fun of it will make him think that suicide is silly.
Though i have made jokes when someone was also joking about committing suicide. But someone who is actually really depressed and really is thinking about ending his own life? Hell no. I mean, sure, I'd try to talk him out of it, but not hope that making fun of it will make him think that suicide is silly.
