Poll: Suicide
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"Buck up" is one of the worst things you can say to someone who is really depressed. "Hey, clearly this is your own darn fault, now pick yourself up and go on because you're choosing to feel this crappy!"AMAZED said:
When the brain chemistry says you're depressed, oftentimes you need external help to fix it. Blaming someone's bad situation on themselves is a great way to look like a dick and make nothing better.
"Life is like a movie; if you've sat through more than half of it and it's sucked every second so far, it probably isn't gonna get great right at the end and make it all worthwhile. No one should blame you for walking out early."
?Doug Stanhope
And that's my feeling on suicide. Have I ever made jokes about it? Yes. Have I ever considered it? All the time. But its a decision one makes when one's back is up against the wall. And honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's not the "cowards way out" (people who say that are often the people who mock failed suicide attempters as pussys, and I'm sure you see the contradiction there), it's an alternate solution to a major problem.
These last few days a friend of mine has been feeling extremely awful about a wealth of things (he gave me the long version. It ain't pretty.) and has been considering pulling the plug on his own life, if for no reason other than because he's simply tired of all the day-to-day bullshit and emotional drama he has to deal with. Does that make him a coward? I mean, really?
[Mind you - I'm not pushing him one way or the other. I am simply trying to help him with his issues. Don't start yelling at me.]
As for "it's the easy way out"... Yeah, ok, killing oneself instead of continuing on is the easy route, but in the end, what does it matter? You will die eventually.
?Doug Stanhope
And that's my feeling on suicide. Have I ever made jokes about it? Yes. Have I ever considered it? All the time. But its a decision one makes when one's back is up against the wall. And honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's not the "cowards way out" (people who say that are often the people who mock failed suicide attempters as pussys, and I'm sure you see the contradiction there), it's an alternate solution to a major problem.
These last few days a friend of mine has been feeling extremely awful about a wealth of things (he gave me the long version. It ain't pretty.) and has been considering pulling the plug on his own life, if for no reason other than because he's simply tired of all the day-to-day bullshit and emotional drama he has to deal with. Does that make him a coward? I mean, really?
[Mind you - I'm not pushing him one way or the other. I am simply trying to help him with his issues. Don't start yelling at me.]
As for "it's the easy way out"... Yeah, ok, killing oneself instead of continuing on is the easy route, but in the end, what does it matter? You will die eventually.
I have much sympathy for people who are depressed and driven to suicide, and to the people who have lost people to it. I can't even imagine being driven to it.
The biggest mockery is the kids that come in when I was at school with shallow pencil sharpener blade scratches on their forearms going on and on about how they tried to kill themselves three times that week. To them I give a firm slap across the face and a strong STFU and GTFO (because my time is too precious to insult them properly). Do kids even still do that?
The biggest mockery is the kids that come in when I was at school with shallow pencil sharpener blade scratches on their forearms going on and on about how they tried to kill themselves three times that week. To them I give a firm slap across the face and a strong STFU and GTFO (because my time is too precious to insult them properly). Do kids even still do that?
The reason I would think anyone would mock it is that it is so incredibly selfish. Suicide is a one person act, but it leaves lasting effects on everyone around you. The fact that you are willing to inflict so much pain on other people just because you can't stand your own self, when there are in fact ways of making things better (much more than you let on OP) is inconceivably dull.
If someone were to ever commit that around me, I wouldn't mock them, I wouldn't make fun of what they did. I WOULD FORGET THEM, IMMEDIATELY, its the last pathetic call to the world, its the ultimate "look at me,"
**** (big censored capital letters) YOU, people who think suicide is "okay" or "unfortunate". Sincerely, follow these despicably selfish people to the same personal pit that they go.
If someone were to ever commit that around me, I wouldn't mock them, I wouldn't make fun of what they did. I WOULD FORGET THEM, IMMEDIATELY, its the last pathetic call to the world, its the ultimate "look at me,"
**** (big censored capital letters) YOU, people who think suicide is "okay" or "unfortunate". Sincerely, follow these despicably selfish people to the same personal pit that they go.
you see therein lies the problem you get to level 2 without any of the power ups or extra HP which makes level much harder.navyjeff said:
People that are seriously contemplating suicide? No, I don't mock them. It's their life and they are free to end it as they wish.
it is a tricky one and context is important.
someone saying they are suicidal coz they don't like there job etc should probably be given a slap and told to get a grip but sometimes people are suicidal for understandable reasons or mental health issues.
i personally wrestled with depression for about 5 years after my mum died when i was in my teens
there were times i was suicidal and have been physically stopped from killing my self by friends and loved ones on more than one occasion (and still have a couple of scars to prove it :-/)
everyone was very understanding and kind but looking back that didn't really help maybe if someone had
been a bit sterner with me i would have seen things differently. i know now looking back how selfish my actions were but at the time it was not something i could see.
one thing you should defiantly do if a friend or loved one is in this situation is listen to them
and offer an alternative point of view if they have a genuine reason to be depressed there is usually a genuine door back out of it. if they are just looking for attention then give them a good hard slap and tell them to grow up.
I'm not going to post here about what solved my problem for a number of reasons if any of you or someone you know is having problems and you want my advice PM me and i'll fill you in ;-D
someone saying they are suicidal coz they don't like there job etc should probably be given a slap and told to get a grip but sometimes people are suicidal for understandable reasons or mental health issues.
i personally wrestled with depression for about 5 years after my mum died when i was in my teens
there were times i was suicidal and have been physically stopped from killing my self by friends and loved ones on more than one occasion (and still have a couple of scars to prove it :-/)
everyone was very understanding and kind but looking back that didn't really help maybe if someone had
been a bit sterner with me i would have seen things differently. i know now looking back how selfish my actions were but at the time it was not something i could see.
one thing you should defiantly do if a friend or loved one is in this situation is listen to them
and offer an alternative point of view if they have a genuine reason to be depressed there is usually a genuine door back out of it. if they are just looking for attention then give them a good hard slap and tell them to grow up.
I'm not going to post here about what solved my problem for a number of reasons if any of you or someone you know is having problems and you want my advice PM me and i'll fill you in ;-D
Yes, i agree, and i would never tell a suicidal person i thought they were a coward. I maintain that suicide in itself is a selfish action, however. It's going to bring a lot of hurt to everyone around them if they do it, and i think they would be a better, braver person if they didn't. If I was ever at the stage at which i thought my life was so horrible i thought i would be better of ending it, then I hope that i would be able to pull through it, if only for the sake of my family and friends. I don't know if I would be able to do that, and anyone who has done that is likely a much better person than me.Novs said:
Oh, and I never said suicidal people are cowards. I think that committing suicide is a cowardly action, but people who are suicidal and pull through it would have to be incredibly brave and strong-willed to do so. Certainly worthy of respect.
Sorry i have absolutely, unequivocally have no sympathy for anyone who for any reason other than to cease a prolong physical agony that will result in death anyways, contemplate Suicide. If they don't find any value in their own existence, why the fuck should I?
If they kill themselves, good riddance to bad garbage. Preferably they can do it standing over their own grave as to not cause the rest of us any more headaches.
So if i had the chance, i would mock them.
(im an Apatheist, so no this opinion isn't based on a religious moral high ground.)
If they kill themselves, good riddance to bad garbage. Preferably they can do it standing over their own grave as to not cause the rest of us any more headaches.
So if i had the chance, i would mock them.
(im an Apatheist, so no this opinion isn't based on a religious moral high ground.)
If one attempts suicide, chances are that there have been many things going horribly wrong in ones life. Mocking them would mean mocking the life they led up to this point, as well as mocking everyone else who currently endures something simmilar.
Therefore no, I'd not mock someone suicidal. Especially if I don't know his or her reasons.
Therefore no, I'd not mock someone suicidal. Especially if I don't know his or her reasons.
Well as I see it suicide is a good thing, obviously you need to apologize before hand for anyone who might miss you but other than that its a good thing, something new to do if you don't like your current life (I'm rather skeptical of the idea that there is absolutely nothing after death)..
So OT: There's no need to mock them its just another decision amongst the rest, a life choice as some would call it, personally insulting peeps is just banter to me but there's no need to mock people for something they do.. just like anything any of us do..
By the way - I don't prejudice for people's reasons for suicide, I really don't care if your reason is to find something new to do or to get out of paying off a loan or getting out of pain..#
Also by the way - mocking suicidal people in no situation is going to help them or anyone else, it only helps their reasoning that its better to be in a different state of existence, or non-existence, or whatever comes next, or nothing.. but thats another story..
So OT: There's no need to mock them its just another decision amongst the rest, a life choice as some would call it, personally insulting peeps is just banter to me but there's no need to mock people for something they do.. just like anything any of us do..
By the way - I don't prejudice for people's reasons for suicide, I really don't care if your reason is to find something new to do or to get out of paying off a loan or getting out of pain..#
Also by the way - mocking suicidal people in no situation is going to help them or anyone else, it only helps their reasoning that its better to be in a different state of existence, or non-existence, or whatever comes next, or nothing.. but thats another story..
Only half. Only half of you would offer help.
I... can't even sum up a response. I am completely disgusted.
I... can't even sum up a response. I am completely disgusted.
I look at people who kill themselves the same way I look at murderers. They don't care who they hurt and just want to take the cowards way out. In addition to that they throw away the only life they've got and everything they could have been just because it's sometimes difficult, there's no defending that.
Just so the people who voted "yes" to mocking in the poll understand the implications of what they're saying, I'll tell a little story. It's very much cut down from the full details, which would take a while to explain, but suffice to say that a girl in obvious and very great distress (who I'd seen, perfectly happy, at a gig we were both at merely an hour beforehand) was basically half climbing over a bridge in our city centre, preparing to jump off into traffic below. I ended up helping her out, with another guy walking past, and we tried to calm her down, while I called the police to help her out. In the end she was okay, and the police took over. Still not sure why she was so upset and all, and I suspect something had happened to her, but that's not for me to talk about or speculate upon.
By the way, this happened just last week. Literally seven days ago, in fact.
So yeah, on the whole, I think anyone even contemplating suicide should be treated with decency and kindness, because there's obviously something underlying that is driving them to such thoughts and which needs to be dealt with. Anyone who decides suicidal people should be laughed at or supported in seeking death, are sick and twisted bastards and I have absolutely no qualms in helping them achieve that state themselves. And the sooner the better.
By the way, this happened just last week. Literally seven days ago, in fact.
So yeah, on the whole, I think anyone even contemplating suicide should be treated with decency and kindness, because there's obviously something underlying that is driving them to such thoughts and which needs to be dealt with. Anyone who decides suicidal people should be laughed at or supported in seeking death, are sick and twisted bastards and I have absolutely no qualms in helping them achieve that state themselves. And the sooner the better.
I have to respectfully disagree here. Have you ever seen someone about to commit suicide? I did, just last week, and she felt it certainly wasn't an easy way out. She was standing half over a bridge, one leg on the safe side and one leg over the other side, for several minutes, in tears, and eventually decided it wasn't worth it. But watching her trying to make that decision (yes, I was ready to call an ambulance, before you ask, and I didn't say anything to her because I was worried it would tip her over that edge and make her jump), I can honestly say she knew it was a really hard decision to make. Committing suicide is by no means an easy decision, believe you me...Daystar Clarion said:
what are drugs for?Elcarsh said:
(pharmaceuticals not recreational)Look i don't believe Depression is a physical/chemical imbalance disorder (no matter how many times them drug peddlers want to sell you on the idea that depression can be cured through pills.) I went through depression in middle school and got over it when i realized my problems don't compare to other ppl whom have it way worst than i do.
so no Mental anguish/agony isn't justification for suicide because it doesn't lead to death if left untreated. If you die from having crazy thoughts than i stand by my stances that its Good riddance.
If you even have the wherewithal to know you're having "debilitating psychological agony" you can do something about it.
Why, I dont know. I would say its cause they dont understand the mentality of the person at that point, and to a non-suicidal person, it just seems trivial and funny. I've been down that road, and its an ugly thing. Though I guess I'm hypocritical, cause I've made the cutting emo joking more then once in my life.