Poll: Suicide

[Mr S]

Just a joke in a conversation between friends.
Sorry Canid117

 

[PatSilverFox]

[sub]I am fairly suicidal. [/sub]

 

[AnAngryMoose]

Off course I do. They're dead, so it's less harm done than mocking living people. But most people seem to have some kind of "respect" for the dead and go mad if you make fun of the dead around them.

Not all suicides are funny, but there are quite a lot of funny ones aswell.

You're ignorance is fucking stagger. There's no such thing as a "funny" suicide. Have someone you care about kill themselves and then see if it's worth laughing about.

I think it's ironic, and thus funny, to see a man jump from 6th floor and only die later in hospital. (Escaping pain resulting in incredible pains.)
Off course it can be more "serious" if you know that man, but ask yourself this: Would he want you to move on and have fun or become bitter because of him?

He would probably want me to enjoy life, but what does that have to do with you finding suicide, or even attempted suicide funny? Yes, it is ironic, but you're sick in the head if you find suicide funny.

 

[llew]

i wouldn't say "mock" as i merely tell them they are selfish... they don't think about those who would care about their death and even if things get tougher, fight through anyway, thats what makes people stronger (ive had my fair share of suicidal moments in life so im not saying this without experiencing it ¬.¬) besides, the more you fight the more chance of it getting better (in terms of terminal/un-curable illnesses or noble situations [a.k.a: 10 terrorists, you have a grenade, pull the pin for others to get away/jump infront of a bullet etc] fine, pull your own plug, but any other time your just a selfish coward)

 

[Soods]

He would probably want me to enjoy life, but what does that have to do with you finding suicide, or even attempted suicide funny? Yes, it is ironic, but you're sick in the head if you find suicide funny.

The whole "killing yourself" situation is ridicilous in my opinion. I really can't understand why people commit suicides (other than contributing to fixing overpopulation). And people find things they can't understand funny sometimes. Not going by the norms and taboos doesn't mean I'm sick in the head (hopefully). But people like different things, it's pointless to argue about 'em.

 

[AnAngryMoose]

He would probably want me to enjoy life, but what does that have to do with you finding suicide, or even attempted suicide funny? Yes, it is ironic, but you're sick in the head if you find suicide funny.

The whole "killing yourself" situation is ridicilous in my opinion. I really can't understand why people commit suicides (other than contributing to fixing overpopulation). And people find things they can't understand funny sometimes. Not going by the norms and taboos doesn't mean I'm sick in the head (hopefully). But people like different things, it's pointless to argue about 'em.

If you don't understand something that people find so sensitive then don't fucking laugh about it. And the whole overpopulation arguement is a load of bollocks as well as the liking different things arguement. Yeah, people like different things, people find different things funny, but you shouldn't be laughing at suicide. It's not a matter of personal preference or taste in humour. Someone just hanged themselves, shot themselves, overdosed, jumped off a building or a myriad of other things because the can't stand life anyway. Until you have experienced someone close to you killing themselves you probably won't understand it fully, but that doesn't give you free reign to go and laugh about someone who has just committed suicide. It would be like a stranger going to the funeral of one of your loved ones and laughing while pissing on the grave.

 

[Bloodstain]

People that are seriously contemplating suicide? No, I don't mock them. It's their life and they are free to end it as they wish.

The problem with that logic is that suicidal people don't actually want to commit suicide. Their lives are so filled with negativity and pain, they feel that whatever positive aspects to it are insignificant by comparison. Imagine, hypothetically, if everyone you ever loved died, you lost both your legs, an eye, and your sex drive, all your money was stolen and you could not be reimbursed, you're stuck in a boring, pointless job where people don't appreciate you, entertainment and diversions of all types either don't exist or simply don't bring you joy anymore, and for the cherry on top, you're terminally ill with something that saps your strength, causes great amounts of physical pain on a daily basis, and you're destined to spend the rest of your life friendless and alone. You can't even buy drugs to numb yourself in a coma, because your money is gone, and whatever you do make goes to bills for shit that someone else bought with your credit card after stealing it. If all these things made up the content of your life, would you want to continue living it?

Or would you rather that things in your life just improve instead?

This is an extreme situation, but this kind of scenario is what suicidals genuinely believe to be the nature of their lives.

Contemplating suicide / being suicidal doesn't mean wanting to commit suicide, but seeing suicide as a possible solution. As far as I know, anyway.

I stand by my point: Everybody has the right to live, everybody has the right to die.
And well, if you want to die at the moment, and you kill yourself...you can't really change your mind afterwards and regret it. Because, well, you're dead. So it doesn't turn out unfortunate for you (as you can see, I don't believe in afterlife, so your mileage may vary).

And yes, people who commit suicide actually do want to commit suicide. They may had changed their minds if they stayed alive longer, but at the moment of comitting suicide, they wanted to do so. And as I said: Since they can't regret it, it's not really a bad situation for them. Being dead is neither good nor bad because you can't feel happiness, nor sadness.

And I am noone to judge anyone on what they do to themselves.

 

[Baradiel]

Some people commit suicide for completely justifiable reasons, other people kill themselves because they're too cowardly to work out their problems the hard way.

As with any group of people, there are extemes on both sides.

No reason is justifiable enough for suicide to be okay.

What if your family and friends all died in a massive fire which destroyed everything you owned. You were also paralysed in the fire.

You have LITERALLY nothing left. Are you telling me if your lost EVERYTHING all at once you would not kill yourself?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/538.266196-The-end-of-the-road

Please read the OP.
I am still alive. Although I'm not paralyzed.

Now, tell me another worst case scenario.

I won't suggest a worse scenario, because it might turn into some sort of sick game trying to one up each other.

I know you don't want my pity, but I respect you for not taking that final step. I know I might have in your position.

One of my earlier posts gives my position on my own possible suicide. Its for slightly similar reasons, but is more "philosophical" than just outright depression. I'm not saying its a better reason, but its the reason I have considered it.

 

[Gildan Bladeborn]

I'm not the most empathetic person around - for the sake of brevity I won't go into a great deal of depth right now, but suffice it to say that folks have told me that my own description of my mental processes makes me sound rather like a sociopath, and I can't really say that I disagree with them (to a point). As much as I understand and can make myself feel wrenching sadness, elation, what have you, those emotional states are rarely if ever triggered by human interaction - I operate in my own little bubble where my self image and sense of worth can really only be attributed to the fact that I consider myself to have worth.

Or to put it another way, I am routinely baffled by concepts like peer pressure, because I cannot even imagine caring enough about how I am perceived by others to allow that to influence my own behavior in ways I wouldn't have chosen for myself regardless. I look at the things people care about, the way they relate to each other, and I just want to shake them and ask "Why the hell do you care about any of this crap?! It's stupid!". Now imagine how I react to people who take their own life for what I perceive to be stupid reasons (which describes just about every situation in which someone takes their own life), and I think you can see why I don't even beat around the bush and just label myself as an insensitive jackass up front.

That I don't ever really come across as one, except for scenarios like these where I'm explaining my inner mental processes, is a testament to my firm belief that we all have a choice to make in life - to take the path of least resistance or strive to be better than what our natures would have us be; I choose to be someone who expresses compassion for his fellow man, even though I'm not naturally inclined to, because I believe that it is the right thing to do and there is power in that belief.

 

[P.Tsunami]

Is it okay to laugh at suicide?

I hope so. I've done it quite a bit in my time. I think I need to be able to laugh at it. With fifteen years of my life plagued by suicidal thoughts (from an underlying bipolar disorder) and one suicide attempt behind me, I need every weapon I can to keep that particular demon at bay. It seems to me like laughing at suicide is effective at disarming it, and making it a little less attractive a prospect.

Of course, there's two things that come up in any "is it okay to laugh at" debate. A. I think you should be able to laugh at anything, if you want. B. There is something called sensitivity. If you have a penchant for black humor, fine. You don't have to go flaunting that black humor around remaining family members after someone commits suicide, for instance. Use a little common sense, and otherwise enjoy yourself.

So, clearly, as a suicidal myself, I'm not in the least offended by people joking about it. Here's what I -am- offended by, and gravely so:

Personally i think it's the height of selfishness but i would never mock it.

Let me try to explain why this is such a hot button, why it absolutely makes my blood boil. I've gone for fifteen years, at times struggling daily against the irrational lure of suicide. And please -try- to understand at some level what that entails. It means suicide instinctively feels like the right option, constantly, weighing on me. Every day I'm bothered by suicidal thoughts and I don't go through with it, I feel like I've let myself down. It's deeply ingrained into the core of who I am. Irrational thoughts stemming from psychiatric disorders, you have to understand, alters your perspective completely. While I can rationally recognize that yes, killing myself is a bad idea, that doesn't in any way -feel- true to me. Being aware that I'm sick is helpful, but it doesn't keep me safe on its own.

So before any one of you try to tell me what a coward I was on the one day I tried to take my own life, I'd like to hear what you think about the 5477 other ones. Cause frankly, I think I deserve credit for that, rather than getting my name smeared on the one time I slip up. It's a regular, very demanding struggle. I'd rather you not disrespect and spit all over that if I one day can't fight that fight anymore.

I hope that goes some way towards explaining why that line of argument is one of the most personally wounding and hurtful things I hear.


(late addendum) ...after reading this thread a little closer, I'm actually sick to my stomach. Some of the opinions spouted off here are so disgusting I don't know where to start. Some of you people should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[ImperialSunlight]

I see no reason for suicide. In every way I find it foolish and pointless. I don't mock people who do it per se but I don't want to help them. Everyone's going to die eventually so why shorten your life?

 

[thelastgentleman]

In all serious dude "overpopulation", yeah its a problem...a big one. However while I do agree that it is insensitive to laugh at the loss of a loved one suicide the act in itself is pretty silly. No matter what circumstances a person may go through nothing can equal or constitute a "Permanent Rage Quit" as i like to call it. Even if one's family, friends, and job is taken away there is always reason to keep living. Author Viktor Frankl summarizes it best when he describes that even if a man's work is destroyed and family is lost there is meaning in his own suffering.

 

[Baradiel]

[sub]I am fairly suicidal. [/sub]

OI! Don't you say things like that *hugs*

 

[PatSilverFox]

[sub]I am fairly suicidal. [/sub]

OI! Don't you say things like that *hugs*

*hugs back*
T_T
I really just feel like dying. ;_;

 

[P.Tsunami]

I see no reason for suicide. In every way I find it foolish and pointless. I don't mock people who do it per se but I don't want to help them. Everyone's going to die eventually so why shorten your life?

Read my post above yours. I don't expect you to understand it on an emotional level unless you suffer from any mental disorder yourself, but listen and learn.

 

[thelastgentleman]

ugh I really do wish the medical journal would remove depression from the disease list >_>

 

[Baradiel]

[sub]I am fairly suicidal. [/sub]

OI! Don't you say things like that *hugs*

*hugs back*
T_T
I really just feel like dying. ;_;

Trust me, I know the feeling. Not because I've suffered the same way as you, but I've felt my fair share of outright despair and depression. I'm fighting through it, so can you.

Here's a deal: I won't do it if you won't Consider it an anti-Suicide pact, if you want

 

[PatSilverFox]

[sub]I am fairly suicidal. [/sub]

OI! Don't you say things like that *hugs*

*hugs back*
T_T
I really just feel like dying. ;_;

Trust me, I know the feeling. Not because I've suffered the same way as you, but I've felt my fair share of outright despair and depression. I'm fighting through it, so can you.

Here's a deal: I won't do it if you won't Consider it an anti-Suicide pact, if you want

I don't like this...

[sub] *slowly backs away* [/sub]

 

[SaberXIII]

I won't lie; I joke about suicidal people, I make acist jokes, I make sexist jokes, I make satyrical jokes and all of the rest of them. But, I'm not acctually against any of these groups. I do this because, whether people want to believe it or not, it makes people laugh. However, I only do this in fun, I make sure first that there is nobody around who will take offence in what I say, and I never overstep a mark.

 

[Baradiel]

[sub]I am fairly suicidal. [/sub]

OI! Don't you say things like that *hugs*

*hugs back*
T_T
I really just feel like dying. ;_;

Trust me, I know the feeling. Not because I've suffered the same way as you, but I've felt my fair share of outright despair and depression. I'm fighting through it, so can you.

Here's a deal: I won't do it if you won't Consider it an anti-Suicide pact, if you want

I don't like this...

[sub] *slowly backs away* [/sub]

*coaxes out with a biscuit*