Poll: Suicide

[thelastgentleman]

You should be really impressed with yourself, I can count on one hand how many people there are who have actually made me angry and you're very close to making the cut.

Well, that's just a perfectly normal response to someone calling you out on your bullshit.

Your soldier metaphor is a very good one. If you're on a battlefield with no bullets and a broken sword that doesn't give you the right to stop fighting, you've got teeth, you've got nails you've got blood running through you're veins and if there is anyone in the world that means even the tiniest little bit to you then you will use every little bit of it to bite and scratch and claw you're way out of whatever dark place you've dug yourself into, because you owe it to them if not yourself.

Congratulations, you'll have died knowing that last bit you did was absolutely worthless. I'm sure you'll be patting yourself on the back for that one.

I've known depression, I've been there and I've been there for good friends who have known it too. I'd charge unarmed against the armies of hell for them and I'd expect nothing less from anyone else.[/quot

Oh yes, compound bullshit with lies, that's clearly the way forward.

Oh, you don't actually expect me to believe you, do you?

Whoa You Mad Bro?

 

[zehydra]

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Cool story bro.

except I didn't say depressed people were cowards.

I said some people commit suicide because it's the easy way out.

Suicidal =/= depressed

and it's not even a way out.

 

[P.Tsunami]

Whoa You Mad Bro?

If they are, they have every reason to. I know I got freaking pissed off for a minute there.

I'm calmer now, if only because I realized that the vast majority of the people spouting of inane, deeply offensive nonsense are arguing from a position of pure ignorance. I can't help but pity that. Besides, hate the sinner, love the sin, all that.

 

[V TheSystem V]

My ex girlfriend came out as lesbian a year ago, and her most successful relationship was with a girl who was apparently bipolar, and suffered from depression and anxiety disorders. The bipolar disorder was probably a lie, like the depression and the anxiety. She cut herself, spoke about how no one loved her, how her friends were backstabbers and how she thought my ex didn't care all the time. She threatened to commit suicide on a regular basis, and she even threatened to do so if my ex left her (which she later did). She didn't follow through with any of these threats, and in the end it all became laughable. I didn't feel bad about it, because she wasn't going to do it. She was a massive attention seeker

 

[michiehoward]

I told a joke just today about my formerly suicidal self, I'd wake up every morning, even more upset because living had become a full time job, that I didn't get paid enough for, with no time and a half or dental.

 

[thelastgentleman]

Idk so many people get uppity about this subject, yet there is no need to be if a person wants to off him/herself let them...or not if you think you can help go for it be a hero. If not one less unstable individual I have to deal with...and in the hospital thats a god send! As a health professional I have an oath to rehabilitate all those who step into my realm, but I cant do a damn thing if they don't want to help themselves. Think your life sucks? Come with me for a day in the critical care wing...you'll change your mind mighty quick

 

[Exterminas]

Did I get something wrong or did you just really say that there are no people with serious suicidal tendencies, because they would be already dead?
Is that really your point?
That every person with such tendencies immediately kills themself?

OT: Let's say there are more serious and "less serious" cases of suicidal thoughts. There's a special aspect to the latter, they will never be executed, they are just attention-seeking, and are free to be laughed at and ridiculed.
Generally you shouldn't do that with the former, because they mostly end up like they are intended to do.

Yes, that is my point.
There is a difference between being depressed and thinking about suicide and being suicidal.

Suicidal means to have the latent urge to kill yourself. And frankly, killing yourself is easy, if you mean it. Having suicidal thoughts because of depression has as much in commom with being suicidal as thinking about going to Japan has with sitting in a plane to Japan.

There is simply a huge gap between thinking about something and doing it. Even if you think seriously about something.

 

[P.Tsunami]

Idk so many people get uppity about this subject, yet there is no need to be if a person wants to off him/herself let them...or not if you think you can help go for it be a hero. If not one less unstable individual I have to deal with...and in the hospital thats a god send! As a health professional I have an oath to rehabilitate all those who step into my realm, but I cant do a damn thing if they don't want to help themselves. Think your life sucks? Come with me for a day in the critical care wing...you'll change your mind mighty quick

You work in the medical field? Sweet mercy. You're telling me you work at a hospital, and you have no basic understanding of mental health issues at all? I seriously recommend you quit and find another career path. The opinions you present here make me think your values are questionable for your field of work. Unless you work as a janitor or something.

 

[Nickompoop]

I ridicule it on a case-by-case basis. If someone is thinking about using suicide as a permanent solution to a temporary problem, then they're just a coward.
However, if they've got a serious problem (terminal illness, mental disorder, etc.) then I see their logic, and I would perhaps consider the same thing (with HUGE amounts of emphasis on "perhaps")

 

[ImperialSunlight]

I see no reason for suicide. In every way I find it foolish and pointless. I don't mock people who do it per se but I don't want to help them. Everyone's going to die eventually so why shorten your life?

Read my post above yours. I don't expect you to understand it on an emotional level unless you suffer from any mental disorder yourself, but listen and learn.

I meant people who don't have mental disorders and do so as a conscious choice.

 

[nuba km]

oh god me and my friends make franky boil look sensitive when it comes to jokes, so in short yes, I make fun of them for the lolz.

 

[thelastgentleman]

Idk so many people get uppity about this subject, yet there is no need to be if a person wants to off him/herself let them...or not if you think you can help go for it be a hero. If not one less unstable individual I have to deal with...and in the hospital thats a god send! As a health professional I have an oath to rehabilitate all those who step into my realm, but I cant do a damn thing if they don't want to help themselves. Think your life sucks? Come with me for a day in the critical care wing...you'll change your mind mighty quick

You work in the medical field? Sweet mercy. You're telling me you work at a hospital, and you have no basic understanding of mental health issues at all? I seriously recommend you quit and find another career path. The opinions you present here make me think your values are questionable for your field of work. Unless you work as a janitor or something.

*Facepalm

Please read my previous comments.

No I don't agree that depression should be a medical disease as it currently is. Im not saying this to be insensitive, but seriously from a medical standpoint it was only added to benefit from the financial pocketbooks of major drug companies. I know this sounds very conspiracy heavy but from a personal experience it is true. Saying that a population is suffering from "Cronic Depression" is the equivalence to saying 80% of the U.S population under the age of 10 have ADHD and need immediate treatment to surcome their disorder....No for the love of god no they dont. Their only problem is that THEY ARE KIDS their Calcitonin levels are there their Insulin levels are not proper yet and they are rambunctious. A natural reaction to a natural cause...thats all depression is. Of course im taking a highly humanist and psychoanalytical approach to this, but a minor hitch in serotonin levels does not constitute a disorder. Dont get me wrong there are worse diseases that have less deficiencies, but take a look at your body under sympathetic stress and you'll find your ALL people suffer from Depression its a mental inhibitor that must be overcome by the individual not drowned out by medication.

 

[somonels]

Edit: I'm not asking about whether you have mocked suicide, I'm asking about whether or not (and why) people mock other people that are seriously contemplating suicide.

The average individual does not differentiate a seriously claim from an attention seeking one, let alone tell from behaviour.

 

[TheHecatomb]

I honestly don't mind people killing themselves. Go right ahead. As long as you make sure you don't delay my train doing it, it's cool. If you've had enough of living, go right ahead and quit. The world would be a lot more awesome with only people who enjoy life in it anyway.

However what I do "mind" (or rather; what just outright makes my blood boil) is people using suicide as some sort of trick to get attention. Or people that are openly 'contemplating' it. Seriously. If you really wanted to die you'd just do it without telling anyone. If you're telling you just want people to drop their business and try to stop you. Which makes you a prick. Don't make me drop my business. Just kill yourself and let me read about it in the newspaper, or just accept the fact that you weren't really gonna do it anyway and get a hobby. And a haircut.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Personally i think it's the height of selfishness but i would never mock it.

I have never understood this argument. So, you say it is selfish because they leave others to grieve of you I assume? I think you are the one being selfish for demanding that a person live with extreme depression for which could be years on end and will probably happen again in the future.

It's selfish because it's all about them and they never stop to consider the impact it will have on the lives of other people, suicide can drive a family apart and devastate the lives of the people around them so that they will never recover fully. But do they stop to consider this? No they don't they just think about them selves and screw everyone else who cares about them, loves them, or want to help them. Non of that matters to them, they wash they hands of all responsibility they have. Yeah so your really depressed? Then man up and ask for help, the people who truly care for you will stand by you and help you however they can no matter what. Nothing in life worth anything comes without pain and heartache. They take the easy way out, so yeah it is the height of selfishness.

So if you want to die you should force yourself to stay alive for the benefit of others? Thats a terrible reason for choosing to live. A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys

I never said that, I said suicide is the height of selfishness. If you really want to kill your self then go ahead, but know that it's selfish and basically you are saying to all the people around you, your parents, friends and lovers that everything they have ever done for you all the sacrifices they have made for you means nothing to you.

It's still pathetic for one to choose to stay alive for the benefit of others.

 

[Circleseer]

I doubt anyone will read this, 6 pages in, but regardless.

The original subject: Do I mock suicidal people? If it is appropriate in the situation, yes.

Whether or not anyone can be blamed personally for wanting to commit suicide is an extremely difficult question, and is fully dependant on whether there is free will, exactly how hormones and neuron connections result in behavior, and possibly other factors that I am unaware of.

Don't just call such people selfish, they do not have a normal brain configuration or mental state.

More interestingly; if we were able to change a depressed / suicidal person's personality, and thus 'cure' them, would this be ethically acceptable?

 

[Revenge Revisited]

Death is the worst choice you could ever make. Even if I was having a bad time I would never comit suicide EVER.

 

[The Man With the Soap]

As someone who has contemplated suicide before, I will say this. I do not think suicidal behavior is ever justified. If you kill yourself, they win. That philosophy was enough for me. It should be enough for you too.

 

[Lord Of Cyberia]

SNIP

.....I HAVE ADHD and my mother had depression. Depression is caused by a Neurochemical Imbalance which can be treated by application of various forms of medication. This is the position we have come to take after OVER A CENTURY OF RESEARCH ON NEUROLOGY AND THE HUMAN BRAIN. THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY IS NOT GOD. THEY CANNOT SIMPLY MAKE UP A CRIPPLING NEUROLOGICAL CONDITION. And saying people should just "Overcome it"?

Let's try that with other mental problems:
Schizophrenics? YOU NEED NO MEDICINE! Just get over your violent hallucinations and psychotic episodes! You can do it, its' just a mental thing!

Bipolar people? You just need to get a little control! All those people who flip out and hurt themselves and others were simply WEAK.

Sociopaths! You're evil because you CHOOSE to be, not because you're completely and utterly devoid of human sympathy due to malformed neural structures that cause you to manipulate and harm those around you!

 

[P.Tsunami]

*Facepalm

Please read my previous comments.

No I don't agree that depression should be a medical disease as it currently is. Im not saying this to be insensitive, but seriously from a medical standpoint it was only added to benefit from the financial pocketbooks of major drug companies. I know this sounds very conspiracy heavy but from a personal experience it is true. Saying that a population is suffering from "Cronic Depression" is the equivalence to saying 80% of the U.S population under the age of 10 have ADHD and need immediate treatment to surcome their disorder....No for the love of god no they dont. Their only problem is that THEY ARE KIDS their Calcitonin levels are there their Insulin levels are not proper yet and they are rambunctious. A natural reaction to a natural cause...thats all depression is. Of course im taking a highly humanist and psychoanalytical approach to this, but a minor hitch in serotonin levels does not constitute a disorder. Dont get me wrong there are worse diseases that have less deficiencies, but take a look at your body under sympathetic stress and you'll find your ALL people suffer from Depression its a mental inhibitor that must be overcome by the individual not drowned out by medication.

I am now seriously worried. I hope, at least, that you do not work at all with anyone dealing with mental disorders. The reason for that, of course, is the arguments you're constructing. While I don't have the time to spare for an exhaustive list, I'll point out a few examples. First, I wouldn't argue that a "minor" hitch in serotonin levels should necessarily constitute and be diagnosed as a mood disorder, sure. But you accompany that with a statement that depression categorically should not be classified a disorder (which is the preferred term when addressing mental health issues, not "disease"). Secondly, you seem to equate that since everyone has, to some degree, the same biochemical processes in their brain, that must mean everyone has depression. That's just as nonsensical as claiming that since everyone's cells grow, everyone has cancer. Thirdly, you prove ham-handedly that you have zero understanding of what the words "humanist" and "psychoanalytical" work. Your entire argument is riddled with rampant flaws, steeped in speculative conspiracy, and only serves to embarrass you.

Again, I urge you to find another job.