Poll: Superior Character: Batman or Superman
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Well, it is still rather ridiculous though, you end up with a silly arms race/power creep thing going on, everything ends up OtT.TheKasp said:
IMHO, they should ahve kept Batman and Superman seperate, they don't fucntion well in the same universe.
Superman's definitely the more boring of the two. His character doesn't have the flurry of twists and turns that Batman does. And when he does, it needs to be manufactured around him as opposed to just being a part of his psyche. Though neither is my fav, I do enjoy watching/reading both, but Batman is the better.
Well there's a lot of explanations for his disguise. The first is historic/cultural, if you've ever heard of the "grandfather clause", basically when you introduce a new rule it doesn't apply to stuf that predates it. So Superman was invented in the 30's, how superheroes hadn't been hammered out yet and it was a simpler time, technology of the time meant that it would be easier for someone to get around without a mask. If you introduce a new character without a mask, you'd have to deal with this issue, but in general Superman just gets a pass.Yopaz said:
In universe there's lots of reasons why his disguise works, firstly a lot of people just assume Superman doesn't have a civillian identity, that he might have been a normal person originally but why would he hold down a day job? Then Superman can vibrate slightly ont he spot at superspeed so there's never any really good photographs of him to compare with. Then when it comes to Clark Kent his entire behaviour changes (he's meant to be a pheonomenal actor), his voice changes raises in pitch, his entire posture is much weaker, he makes less eye contact, this makes you less likely to notice Clark Kent, let alone ponder if he's Superman. Then Clark has a very generic face (some elseworlds have actually explain this as an effect of the spaceship/birthing module making his assilimilation into the human race easier, but that's not really canon), a lot of people probably look like Superman.
Then there's the glasses, they aren't just clear lens, Clark wears glasses with a very strong prescription, the sort that distort your face and eyes, and anyone who knows someone who wears glasses all the time has experienced the shock when seeing them without them, it's very different. Also finally Superman and Clark Kent have been in the same place several times, thanks to Batman and robot copies of Superman.
As for the cape, it's usually made out of Kryptonian cloth that is as tough as Superman, he can use it to wrap someone in when pulling them out of a burning building or similar circumstances and not one of the scenarios posed by Edna would happen to Superman, he couldn't be pulled into a turbine or dragged along by a rocket.
Batman had two decent videogames, dare I say even great games that outdid most of the industry despite being licensed work.
Superman has this:
I believe the choice is pretty clear. Green lantern is superior to both though.
Yeah I know it's a pretty crappy anime but the point still stands.
Superman has this:
I believe the choice is pretty clear. Green lantern is superior to both though.
I challenge that good sir!Yopaz said:
Batman isn't based on supper powers but rather strategy this was pretty clever and how else would you harm Superman?Spot1990 said:
well, from an artistic standpoint, those are two different characters. You can't just change the angle of a person's eyes and say "the glasses did it".him over there said:Batman had two decent videogames, dare I say even great games that outdid most of the industry despite being licensed work.
Superman has this:
I believe the choice is pretty clear. Green lantern is superior to both though.
I challenge that good sir!Yopaz said:Yeah I know it's a pretty crappy anime but the point still stands.
...so... that'd be a no, then?CODE-D said:
And I love how everyone's always "DURRR BATMAN'S MORE RELATABLE." You nailed it right here, without even realizing it. Batman's an aristocrat. Superman's a working stiff like us. Grew up on a farm, works a 9-to-5 job. He's the 99%. He's one of us.
Batman has better books and a lot more dumb ass, blinkered fans to make it's films successful; Superman has a better character that most writers are to lazy to write a good story about.
And to all those who feel Batman is a more realistic character I have a question:
In a reality where alien cultures frequently have contact with earth, what is more realistic? An alien that has developed super human abilities due to an unatural environment, who has to constantly battle with his own power and just wants to be like everyone else or a person who, due to a traumatic event in his childhood, instead of getting the best counciling money can buy becomes one of the worlds best detectives, escape artists, martial artists, inventors, as well as being well adjusted enough to successfully maintain a secret identity, all in the space of about fifteen to twenty years; without the majority of the world knowing?
I know which is more plausable to me.
And to all those who feel Batman is a more realistic character I have a question:
In a reality where alien cultures frequently have contact with earth, what is more realistic? An alien that has developed super human abilities due to an unatural environment, who has to constantly battle with his own power and just wants to be like everyone else or a person who, due to a traumatic event in his childhood, instead of getting the best counciling money can buy becomes one of the worlds best detectives, escape artists, martial artists, inventors, as well as being well adjusted enough to successfully maintain a secret identity, all in the space of about fifteen to twenty years; without the majority of the world knowing?
I know which is more plausable to me.
Calling Superman a meathead is completely fair when discussing his tactics. In short, he has none. He flies with reckless abandon and no real fighting style because he CAN. He never has to think tactically because he's just THAT powerful. His lack of tactics has often been exploited by his opponents, including...drum roll...Batman.werewolfsfury said:
Just because his mind can do things that the average mortal man's mind can't, doesn't make him a genius. It makes his intellect just above average/standard/unexceptional. Don't misunderstand, I'm not calling Superman an idiot. He's a smart enough guy. But when I say "meathead" I'm talking about a person who doesn't really plan and think things through, who doesn't push the potential of their mind to give them an advantage in combat. So, by that definition, Superman is a meathead. He doesn't think tactically, he just flies in and lets his superpowers take care of the problem.
This isn't an inherently BAD way of doing things, especially if you're as powerful as Superman, but it still makes him a meathead. And this lack of tactics frequently gets him into trouble.
Batman on the other hand has genius-level intelligence and a mastery of tactics, and I'm not just fanboy-gushing here, this is confirmed in the comics. If Superman acted with Batman's tacitics, he'd be truly unstoppable. But he doesn't. And that's why he's a meathead.
That's actually one of my favourite things in All Star Superman. Frank Quitley did a phenomenal job of distinguishing between Superman and Clark's body language. I actually can't think of any other depiction I've seen or read that did as good a job as he managed. Everything from slumping his shoulders, letting his back arch, his constant clumsiness disguising him saving people without ever putting on the costume, the messy hair, glasses. He even made him look slightly heavier around the waist like you'd expect a Kansas farm boy would. I used to give the glasses a bit of an eye roll like others despite being a huge fan of Superman and the in universe explanations they give. But once I read All Star it finally clicked for me and I realized that it's actually a lot more plausible than many think.WolfThomas said:
I'd say Batman because he has to overcome the fact he has no superpowers whatsoever. His character also has flaws while superman is meant to be the perfect man.
More often than not I'd take Marvel over DC anyway.
OT: Superman would be the better in a fight, but that's because the writers made him kinda over powered and that makes him lame. The Best superhero's need a weakness that the enemy can exploit. However, if your going to have a character who can fly, punch holes through Batman, etc. don't make his weakness a rock because that's just stupid.
OT: Superman would be the better in a fight, but that's because the writers made him kinda over powered and that makes him lame. The Best superhero's need a weakness that the enemy can exploit. However, if your going to have a character who can fly, punch holes through Batman, etc. don't make his weakness a rock because that's just stupid.
Everybody loves Batman, this cannot be denied. But let's be honest here in terms of a Batman vs. Superman fight.
In the best of circumstances for a straight up fight, the absolute peak of Batman's abilities and over-romanticization of his character results in Batman practically having clairvoyance, predicting everything that will ever happen in a fight and preparing for it in every, way, shape, or form. However, on the flip side, the absolute peak of Superman's abilities and over-romanticization of his character results in Superman being God... No matter which way you look at it, Supe's is gonna win, guys.
It essentially amounts to this:
In the best of circumstances for a straight up fight, the absolute peak of Batman's abilities and over-romanticization of his character results in Batman practically having clairvoyance, predicting everything that will ever happen in a fight and preparing for it in every, way, shape, or form. However, on the flip side, the absolute peak of Superman's abilities and over-romanticization of his character results in Superman being God... No matter which way you look at it, Supe's is gonna win, guys.
It essentially amounts to this:
"Superman is a farm boy that works a shitty job just like us! obviously more relateable! herp derp"
NO. He pretends to be one of us. And fails. FAAAAIILLLLLSSS. Thats why Clark Kent is a loser. One of us? Hell if I could fly and see through women's clothing then I would be a tyrannical super-being that would enslave the world. Superboring can go wear his underwear outside his pants and leave us all alone.
"Batman is just a fantasy of what we would do if we we're rich"
I could say Superman is a fantasy of what we would be if we had superpowers, and it would be just as valid. Batman is probably to be honest one of the worst 'super'-heroes around. Watch the Justice League, he takes twice as long to get anywhere and do anything, and has to leave all the fighting of the really powerful things to Superman, GL, Wonderwoman, Flash, because, whats a batarang going to do against whatever space-god they fight that day? I think a lot of it has to do with the tone and costume. Look at Superderp's goddam costume and curly hair-thing going on. ITS FREAKING RIDICULOUS. Batman is a man.....dressed like a bat, that breaks people's arms to solve crimes.
Another problem with Superdork is that he isnt deep. He is strong so he punches things and shoots laser beams like a freakin' pokemon. Where Batman actually has to problem solve like a normal person. It makes for a more engaging conflict between villain and hero.
NO. He pretends to be one of us. And fails. FAAAAIILLLLLSSS. Thats why Clark Kent is a loser. One of us? Hell if I could fly and see through women's clothing then I would be a tyrannical super-being that would enslave the world. Superboring can go wear his underwear outside his pants and leave us all alone.
"Batman is just a fantasy of what we would do if we we're rich"
I could say Superman is a fantasy of what we would be if we had superpowers, and it would be just as valid. Batman is probably to be honest one of the worst 'super'-heroes around. Watch the Justice League, he takes twice as long to get anywhere and do anything, and has to leave all the fighting of the really powerful things to Superman, GL, Wonderwoman, Flash, because, whats a batarang going to do against whatever space-god they fight that day? I think a lot of it has to do with the tone and costume. Look at Superderp's goddam costume and curly hair-thing going on. ITS FREAKING RIDICULOUS. Batman is a man.....dressed like a bat, that breaks people's arms to solve crimes.
Another problem with Superdork is that he isnt deep. He is strong so he punches things and shoots laser beams like a freakin' pokemon. Where Batman actually has to problem solve like a normal person. It makes for a more engaging conflict between villain and hero.