Poll: Superior Character: Batman or Superman

[Joseph Alexander]

no, it doesn't depend on the writers.

if you remove the fanboy writers(aks frank miller).

and you, have no clue what your talking about.

If you say so dude. If you say so.

Peace out.

and you, have no clue what your talking about, superman has telescopic and microscopic x-ray vision, so yes he would know that the bullet was kyrponite tipped or what ever miller bull you want to try and coat it with.
batman is the king of deux ex machine.

Right, he scans every bullet that comes his way even if it's just a normal day in the city ... err OK

Lets just use a kryptonite laser then. He can scan that all he likes. And don't tell me he can dodge that shit. It's LIGHT FUCKING LIGHT!

he won't.
but the same argument flash used when fighting Sinestro in the JL show applies here.

 

[deadish]

Again I like to point out to the Cry for Justice miniseries where the antagonist, Prometheus (Basically the antithesis to Batman, he is a human who uses gadgets and his "intellect" to fight heroes. But his whole power comes from his helmet that has fighting data and strategies against most heroes saved. So unlike Batman he cheats), takes a bunch of JLA members out (in their base) at the same time without even breaking a sweat. It seems stupid and unrealistic.

Well, all heroes have weaknesses. Play your cards right, don't see why they can't be beat even if you are not super powered.

In the world of sci-fi ... anything is possible.

Most scenarios about Batman defeating Superman that I heard about are the same. They picture Sups as a complete incompetetent drooling idiot. And that's just it: He isn't.

He does come across that way doesn't he. But "tactics" aren't exactly his strength, he rarely needs any.

 

[Joseph Alexander]

Superman has super powers to save the day.
Batman has his fists and some gadgets he made himself to help him out.

Superman had everything given to him.
Batman gave everything to himself.

Batman wins for being able to do shit himself.

"Batman gave everything to himself"
"Batman wins for being able to do shit himself"
...do i really need to explain the idiocy of these statements?
batmans... well everything is inherited.
his money, his company, and his tools are all provided for him.
and unlike several other billionaire superheroes hes never had the arc where he was dirt poor, tony drank himself destitute, ollie lost his millions, and herc gambled it away(granted being a god it really didn't matter).

 

[Spectrre]

Hell if I could fly and see through women's clothing then I would be a tyrannical super-being that would enslave the world. Superboring can go wear his underwear outside his pants and leave us all alone.

"Batman is just a fantasy of what we would do if we we're rich"

I could say Superman is a fantasy of what we would be if we had superpowers, and it would be just as valid.

Well you just proved yourself wrong now didn't you? Or are you suggesting that Superman is a tyrannical super-being that is enslaving the world looking at women naked through their clothes?

 

[deadish]

Superman has super powers to save the day.
Batman has his fists and some gadgets he made himself to help him out.

Superman had everything given to him.
Batman gave everything to himself.

Batman wins for being able to do shit himself.

"Batman gave everything to himself"
"Batman wins for being able to do shit himself"
...do i really need to explain the idiocy of these statements?
batmans... well everything is inherited.
his money, his company, and his tools are all provided for him.
and unlike several other billionaire superheroes hes never had the arc where he was dirt poor, tony drank himself destitute, ollie lost his millions, and herc gambled it away(granted being a god it really didn't matter).

Well, it can be argued that batman's superpower (a part from begin crazy smart) is that he is filthy rich. But just being rich doesn't make you are superhero.

All his skills, all earned the hard way.

Why does he have to be poor? I don't see how having good financial management skill is bad.

 

[Joseph Alexander]

Well, all heroes have weaknesses. Play your cards right, don't see why they can't be beat even if you are not super powered.

In the world of sci-fi ... anything is possible.

It all happenes on one site with Prometheus pulling out one tool after another to counter specific heroes... Who basically start acting like drooling idiots where some of them forget that the one power he blocked is not their only one.

This scene goes over "scifi and anything is possible". It is not tactics. It is the writer depicting all heroes as morons.

It is out of character for both, Prometheus and all the heroes.

then again the only good part of cry for justice was when green arrow killed Prometheus, aka the end of cry for justice.

 

[deadish]

Well, all heroes have weaknesses. Play your cards right, don't see why they can't be beat even if you are not super powered.

In the world of sci-fi ... anything is possible.

It all happenes on one site with Prometheus pulling out one tool after another to counter specific heroes... Who basically start acting like drooling idiots where some of them forget that the one power he blocked is not their only one.

This scene goes over "scifi and anything is possible". It is not tactics. It is the writer depicting all heroes as morons.

It is out of character for both, Prometheus and all the heroes.

This then is indeed a case of lazy and bad writing.

But it doesn't mean it can't be done well. It's just a lot harder than being lazy.

 

[Joseph Alexander]

Superman has super powers to save the day.
Batman has his fists and some gadgets he made himself to help him out.

Superman had everything given to him.
Batman gave everything to himself.

Batman wins for being able to do shit himself.

"Batman gave everything to himself"
"Batman wins for being able to do shit himself"
...do i really need to explain the idiocy of these statements?
batmans... well everything is inherited.
his money, his company, and his tools are all provided for him.
and unlike several other billionaire superheroes hes never had the arc where he was dirt poor, tony drank himself destitute, ollie lost his millions, and herc gambled it away(granted being a god it really didn't matter).

Well, it can be argued that batman's superpower (a part from begin crazy smart) is that he is filthy rich. But just being rich doesn't make you are superhero.

All his skills, all earned the hard way.

Why does he have to be poor? I don't see how having good financial management skill is bad.

its called "being brought low" the story arc is to show what i character will do when pushed to their breaking point, the closest batman's ever had was "knightfall" and even then it just ended up with batman taking a leave for recovery, richard becoming batman, and bane having a new token to wave around.

 

[deadish]

its called "being brought low" the story arc is to show what i character will do when pushed to their breaking point, the closest batman's ever had was "knightfall" and even then it just ended up with batman taking a leave for recovery, richard becoming batman, and bane having a new token to wave around.

Well, from the looks of it, Batman's writers decide not to take that route with him.

This being DC, maybe they decide to concentrate more on his "detective stories" than run a character focused arc. /shrug

 

[Joseph Alexander]

Superman has super powers to save the day.
Batman has his fists and some gadgets he made himself to help him out.

Superman had everything given to him.
Batman gave everything to himself.

Batman wins for being able to do shit himself.

"Batman gave everything to himself"
"Batman wins for being able to do shit himself"
...do i really need to explain the idiocy of these statements?
batmans... well everything is inherited.
his money, his company, and his tools are all provided for him.
and unlike several other billionaire superheroes hes never had the arc where he was dirt poor, tony drank himself destitute, ollie lost his millions, and herc gambled it away(granted being a god it really didn't matter).

Well, it can be argued that batman's superpower (a part from begin crazy smart) is that he is filthy rich. But just being rich doesn't make you are superhero.

All his skills, all earned the hard way.

Why does he have to be poor? I don't see how having good financial management skill is bad.

except heres the thing more often then not bruce isn't even involved with his company to do ANYTHING, he treats it less like a corporate empire and more like an infinite armory with a mute R&D that obeys his every command.
he wants something wayne ind. gets it for him, he never even considers its use as a tool... just as a place to get them

which is in dire contrast to several other comic companies, as much an asshole stark is currently he still USES his company(when he has it) to do greater good... or at least what he THINKS is the greater good(fuck tony, civil war-seige is all on his head).

 

[Joseph Alexander]

its called "being brought low" the story arc is to show what i character will do when pushed to their breaking point, the closest batman's ever had was "knightfall" and even then it just ended up with batman taking a leave for recovery, richard becoming batman, and bane having a new token to wave around.

Well, from the looks of it, Batman's writers decide not to take that route with him.

This being DC, maybe they decide to concentrate more on his "detective stories" than run a character focused arc. /shrug

no, they focus on showing him beating up thugs and fucking catwoman.
hes a victim of "the spider-man effect" more or less hes never allowed to move from his most popular state for fear of them losing even more sales.
as with spider-man hes never allowed to move from angsty young adult with father figure abandonment issues and a severe lack of self-esteem.

 

[deadish]

except heres the thing more often then not bruce isn't even involved with his company to do ANYTHING, he treats it less like a corporate empire and more like an infinite armory with a mute R&D that obeys his every command.
he wants something wayne ind. gets it for him, he never even considers its use as a tool... just as a place to get them

which is in dire contrast to several other comic companies, as much an asshole stark is currently he still USES his company(when he has it) to do greater good... or at least what he THINKS is the greater good(fuck tony, civil war-seige is all on his head).

Well, if you own a company, you can hire executives to run the place for you. The most you got to do is keep an eye on those you hire to make sure they are doing their job right.

no, they foucus on showing him beating up thugs and fucking catwoman.
hes a victim of "the spider-man effect" more or less hes never allowed to move from his most popular state for fear of them losing even more sales.

Don't know about the politics of this stuff.

But I always felt Marvel to be the one more likely to focus on the personal lives of their heroes than DC, hence Tony Stark.

 

[Goofguy]

I've never been enough of a comic book fan to truly appreciate the nuances and differences of these two characters. However, I'm really drawn to Bruce Wayne essentially being just a 'normal' guy who takes up the mantle of the bat to serve up justice to Gotham. Sure, I use the term 'normal' loosely seeing as how he's a billionaire playboy who is in peak physical shape and mental acuity. That being said, it's pretty ballsy to make it your life's work to rid the streets of crime especially when you subscribe to a "no killing" policy and you're pitted against some pretty crappy odds on a frequent basis.

Batman all the way.

 

[immortalfrieza]

I'd say Batman because he has to overcome the fact he has no superpowers whatsoever.

What puts Batman on top for me is that he COULD probably have superpowers, but CHOOSES not to, it takes a certain kind of badass to do that.

Think about it. With all the heroes and villains that have been created with accidents or intentional alteration to give them superpowers, Batman could easily do the same to himself and get superpowers. Failing that, there's plenty of technology that both the villains and heroes have used (like battlesuits for instance) that could give Batman superhumanlike abilities, even up to Superman's level. Failing THAT, there's plenty of magical superheroes Batman could apprentice himself under or just research himself to learn magic and gain superpowers that way.

Honestly, it's only that the writers want to keep Batman a badass normal that keeps him (or pretty much any other superhero without superpowers, in DC or not for that matter) just a Crazy Prepared Genius Detective.

 

[immortalfrieza]

In my old age I've come to appreciate Superman and what he stands for. So...Superman.

'All that power makes him boring.' Ok, then what's Goku's excuse?

Goku's excuse is he exists in a universe where with enough time and effort everybody can, but usually don't, become as powerful as he is.

 

[Shadowstar38]

Obviously Superman. And you cant argue that tired "Batman wins at everything" excuse.

Superman is overpowered beyond belief. He would break batman apart like a twig. There's a reason all his villian are regular guys in costums while Superman's rouges gallery are robots and aliens.

 

[cthulhumythos]

batmans villains are the superior character i believe.

 

[The Consequence]

Well, This has been and perhaps will continue to be an interesting topic. I didn't expect the poll to be quite so one sided, however, I will actually go back and examine Superman's character more. Apparently I need to check out All-Star Superman and Red Son. Ultimately, I do feel Batman is more interesting of the 2, I'm thinking now that maybe because Superman can (compared to us normal mortals)handle things far more easily, it is difficult for writers to create complex plotlines and arcs that Superman can not easily solve. This point makes me think of the character outside of story and just consider the Super man himself. In that, he is quite intriguing.

 

[Karathos]

In a fight, Batman would easily come out on top due to the get-out-of-shitstorm-free-card called Kryptonite. If you watch Justice League, he says he always carries it with him. ("Call it insurance.").

As characters, I also think Batman is way better - although given Superman's god-awful start in the race (How can you make a character interesting when he has ONE weakness in the entire universe?). People I've spoken to about this have said that Batman's not that interesting, and at times complain all he does is act gloomy and dark for the sake of seeming gloomy and dark. Yet there's more to it in my opinion, stuff you can easily pick up on in the animated series and Justice League (+Unlimited) especially. Batman isn't just an expert martial artist, a scientist and a detective - he's a master psychologist. You will do things the way he wants, even when you try to intentionally do something else he'll probably know. Characters in the media even ***** about this at times, complaining that he's completely untrustable because you never know when he's manipulating you. This is why these conversations tend to end with "With preparation time? Yes. - Ok, then Batman autowins."

Check the following link: Imo 's all you gotta know about ol' Bats:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8jyygrNUQQ

(On an unrelated note: Batman & Joker dynamic? BEST GODDAMN PAIR IN THE HISTORY OF EVERYTHING. Mark F*ckmothering HAMILL and Kevin Conroy together, 's just... nnngh, I want to just fanboy-gush all over the place when I watch these animated shows or play the new Arkham games. )

 

[Karathos]

Here's another prime example. Note, at the end she asks "Is there anything you can't do?". I think that's a very good question!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZj6AC7jAO4