Poll: Tali Reveal

[BoogieManFL]

They should just find a clever way to make it work either way, something that the play decides for that save game gone. That way everyone gets what they want.

 

[Mikeyfell]

The thing I do want to see in ME 3 is a girl Turian or Salarian.

Screw that, I want my 4 boobed Krogan ladies. Seriously though, isn't anyone curious what the Volus look like underneath? I want to go to a Volus planet and watch them gaily skipping through the acid meadows.

You know I never thought of that, I'll never be able to look at a Volus with out laughing now.

 

[katboii]

nope prefer how she looks in my head but no matter what she'll still me my favourite character

 

[chronicfc]

The thing I do want to see in ME 3 is a girl Turian or Salarian.

Screw that, I want my 4 boobed Krogan ladies. Seriously though, isn't anyone curious what the Volus look like underneath? I want to go to a Volus planet and watch them gaily skipping through the acid meadows.

You know I never thought of that, I'll never be able to look at a Volus with out laughing now.

To hell with that notion, I want to see a Hanar fight

 

[boss1592]

its definately a grey area. i personally didnt romance tali, but she is definately an awesome character, and no matter what bioware decide, its something that should be handled with extreme delicacy and care. i'm for choice, but not a simple yes/no choice, rather i think there should be a specific series of choices you make in the game that all count towards wether or not you see her face, most of which wouldnt seem to be all that relevant at all, but towards the end, all of these seemingly insignificant little plot threads are brought back up in the emotional climax of the romance. Tali's romance in ME3 will need extreme depth and development, and her character needs to be so fleshed out and lifelike that you almost dont care either way, that it wont change your opinion of her at all wether or not you see her face. if bioware can manage that, then i dont think too many people will be disappointed

 

[WoodenPlanck]

I've said what I think in the official thread, but I'll copy the message here as well:

As its the end of the series, I think its finally appropriate to see her face. The mystery is great and all, but we're at the end now, and dragging it out will only get annoying, it won't stay fun like it is now. That feeling eventually just gets bitter. And then expectations can NEVER be met.
(Example: LOST)

I think this is the reason they showed the Shadow Broker, and why the very strange and unexpected reveal worked quite well. We had expectations, sure, but it was still great.

This is the final lap of the story now, and seeing her face should at be the emotional climax of her story arc. More-so if your one of the MANY people who romanced her, in which case, its important to both her and Sheperd.

Someone cited Darth Vader as an example in an earlier thread, and I think he's another perfectly good example of concluding the mystery, and giving the viewer the needed emotional climax with this character.
The audience's expectations were NOT met on purpose. The great and mighty Darth Vader....was actually a very sad, sickly looking old man under the mask. You might even say pathetic.
-snip-

This completely gives the audience a new perspective of the character, an understanding and perhaps even sympathy/forgiveness. Truly one the the great moments of cinema.

Subverting expectation can work. The main difference I see is that unlike Lucas and his old team, Bioware does not have a clear idea themselves.

Honestly, I feel that as the end of the series proper is now, they should show it, before the mystery spoils. They just need to go with what is appropriate and not worry about the audience reaction. Just make it appropriate in the moment, and trust your audience.

The only problem comparing Vader and Tali is that Vader is the most bad ass and evil villain ever made, he was feared through out the universe. You knew nothing about him except he was clad in black and was a force (haha) to be reckoned with. But and here is the huge but, before the third movie there was a feeling that Vader wasn't "really evil" and had a split between the darkside and jedi order (at least that's what I gathered watching the movie and I say these a couple of years ago, yay I'm behind on the times again). During the end of the third(sixth) movie, Vader changes to the light side but come on you can't think light/good with that evil mask and outfit. So they show what Vader really is, a sad and sympathetic man, and it really worked.

Now Tali isn't a bad ass she is a smart chick who you bone a few times in the game, the aduences perspective of Tali won't change as much if you show her because her personality won't change that much if at all (unlike Vader who went from dark to light side). If you show her face her personality will still be the same. She won't go from the girl who love Shepperd (if you went that way) to wanting to blow up the world.

Perhaps, but as a role playing game (though the way we are approaching this game right now is like a dating sim) the opportunity to interact with the character over the course of the game could potentially give rise to some dynamism that could offer an emotionally charged scene that would make sense for a reveal. To approach this topic with such a binary viewpoint doesn't do justice the the topic, especially because this is a game we are talking about. Even if the only interactivity available is choosing different talking trees, it still offers enough flexibility to allow not only the choice to have the reveal, but incorporate other issues that are relevant to the Mass Effect universe. It would be a huge disservice to the series. Honestly it was their fault for not addressing this issue sooner, before it became a serious one. At least then their vision would be solid, and that is mainly what matters.

Anyone hear the advertisement in ME2 talking about boosting the quarian immune system with therapy to get them out of their suit permanently? That is a huge choice! A charged issue about self image, and involves compromising intimacy (being sealed away by said suit) with potential freedom.

It may be impossible to never see a picture on the internet if they did a reveal and you chose not to go there in your play-through. I feel that loose ends are more annoying than closing a mystery. Also, if you have an idea of what Quarians should look like, and it doesn't meet your expectation, simply pretend they look like what you imagined for all the scenes you don't see a Quarian out of their suit.

 

[Mikeyfell]

The thing I do want to see in ME 3 is a girl Turian or Salarian.

Screw that, I want my 4 boobed Krogan ladies. Seriously though, isn't anyone curious what the Volus look like underneath? I want to go to a Volus planet and watch them gaily skipping through the acid meadows.

You know I never thought of that, I'll never be able to look at a Volus with out laughing now.

To hell with that notion, I want to see a Hanar fight

I've wanted a Hanar party member in ME 3 for a long time.

 

[HumpinHop]

I don't think they should, it's by and large going to disappoint people when they see it.

How? What do you think people are expecting? That her face is made of golden breasts that shoot lasers?

I think that most fans will be satisfied with just a pretty face. Its better than taking the mystery to your grave.

I don't know what people are expecting, just that they all have their individual expectations. Think of the infinite possibilities going through people's heads as to what Tali might look like, and then picture trying to satisfy all of them, it's impossible.

Say you make it relatively human, and only 20% of the fanbase pictured that. Across the board that is a disappointment, or it could be vice versa. It seems really unlikely that a reveal, in this case, could leave the majority happy.

I played through ME2 and personally liked the mystery.

 

[TornadoFive]

I don't think so. I like the fact that Tali's face is not known. It's part of who she is. I might even go so far as to say, the mask is PART of her.

Yeah, there's planty of reasons for revealing her, some of them even quite good. But this is my personal opinion. Leave it on, Tali. I like the mystery.

EDIT: The poll is currently showing a very close vote, with "No" slightly ahead. I like that. Whatever Bioware decide, they're gonna annoy about half their followers!

 

[TheTim]

I dont give a crap either way, tali isn't one of my favorites so it doesn't matter to me, but it would be interesting to see what she looks like.

 

[Zenron]

They may as well. I would at least like to know what the Quarians in general actually look like. I can't say that's really the secret that I'm really itching to find out though, considering the looming reaper invasion and the fact that after two games we don't even know the motives behind their mindless destruction.

 

[dyre]

Do not want. At all.

The chances a random alien race is attractive by human standards? Almost zero.

My Shep seemed to like what she looked like under that mask...

Hmm, fair enough. Though, I suspect he is more open to extraterrestrial attraction than most actual humans

Are you crazy? Humans love things that are alien to them, even more so if they are a sexy tech geek who by nature isn't self-absorbed and all around fun to be with.

What, are you crazy? Humans fear and hate things that are different to them, especially if they're close-but-not-the-same (uncanny valley).

I do like the tech geek with the upbeat personality though. I just don't want to see her face.

 

[Tachcoma]

I think its like magic tricks its not as fun once you know how its done but it will be interesting to see how it turns out.

 

[Daftmau5]

If they show her face, I hope she looks like some sort of space elf.

 

[Timedraven 117]

Should Microsoft show what Master Chief looks like? If anyone says no then you can't really explain why Tali's face should be shown.

no because it should be Bungie who shows his face like Bioware should show here face for already stated reasons

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

Its the END of the story, just end the mystery with it. There is NO reason to keep mystery going when the story is ending. Wrap up all loose ends, and move on. Not to mention Bioware shares EVERYTHING with the fanbase. To keep the player out of the loop of what Quarrians look like is a cop out because they didn't bother to think about Tali for longer than 5 seconds. Keep the integrity and keep the player in the loop in all things. All good RPGs do that.

Oh come now, the entire run of Columbo came and went without us ever finding out what his oft' mentioned wife looked like. And there are several other such little mysteries that we never found out even after the series ended.

Heck, the Hithchiker's Guide to the Galaxy thrived on this. We never do find out what the question to the ultimate answer of life, the universe and everything is. And I prefer it that way. So yes, I would prefer it if Tali wouldn't reveal her face. And if they insist on doing so anyway, then at least let it be an optional cutscene. I don't want to be forced into finding out what she looks like. Or better yet, give us a button to put the camera behind her during the reveal.

 

[Deadyawn]

Why not make it optional to the audience? Let them choose in game if they want to see her face or not.

"No Tali... I like it with the mask on."

...sorry I just had to.

OT: I think this is actually a really good idea. Let the player decide. Don't force it on them, let them decide if they want to see it or not. (Just not in the creepy way depicted above)

That was fucking hilarious! Nice! I'm still laughing!

 

[WorldFree55]

I got a simple question...

Why do people like mystery all of a sudden?

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

Its the END of the story, just end the mystery with it. There is NO reason to keep mystery going when the story is ending. Wrap up all loose ends, and move on. Not to mention Bioware shares EVERYTHING with the fanbase. To keep the player out of the loop of what Quarrians look like is a cop out because they didn't bother to think about Tali for longer than 5 seconds. Keep the integrity and keep the player in the loop in all things. All good RPGs do that.

Oh come now, the entire run of Columbo came and went without us ever finding out what his oft' mentioned wife looked like. And there are several other such little mysteries that we never found out even after the series ended.

Heck, the Hithchiker's Guide to the Galaxy thrived on this. We never do find out what the question to the ultimate answer of life, the universe and everything is. And I prefer it that way. So yes, I would prefer it if Tali wouldn't reveal her face. And if they insist on doing so anyway, then at least let it be an optional cutscene. I don't want to be forced into finding out what she looks like. Or better yet, give us a button to put the camera behind her during the reveal.

How many stories keep the player out of common knowledge? Players are to know what is normal for the people of the world to know. You don't throw the player in, and withhold information that the character or everyone else knows.

That is you making the assumption that your average human knows what a Turian looks like under their mask. Here's a pointer for you: They don't. Only the flotilla is considered sterile enough for them to take their masks off, anywhere else they'll have them on. So to most creatures in Citadel Space, what their face looks like is just as much of a mystery to them as it is to us.

 

[-Dragmire-]

wow

currently:

yes - 387(48.6%)

no - 409(51.4%)

I was expecting a much larger gap between the choices.