Aah, biting sarcasm speaks the truth as always, thank goodness for the Escapist. XDNiagro said:
Poll: Teen Shot dead after attempting to mug man
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Let's point some things out.Blitzwarp said:
1. A "Laser Sight" is in no way illegal nor does it somehow make this shoot less justifiable. In all likelihood, Baker was most likely using something similar to a Crimson Trace (http://www.crimsontrace.com/), which is a very popular modification for those who conceal carry. It enhances both low light and quick reaction shooting.
2. He fired 8 times and hit 4. Probably on account of the fact that it was dark and what with him having just been cold-clocked. Pretty decent accuracy for the situation.
3. By hitting Baker right off the bat without even making any demands, it was reasonable for Baker to assume that his life was very much in danger. By hitting him like that, they had already proven that they were willing to use violent physical force to get what they wanted and no court in the land would argue that Baker wasn't in danger.
It's a blurry line here, but I have to side with Baker. When two people accost you late at night and punch you in the face, your first reaction should be to fear for your life. However, I think that shooting eight times is excessive. Maybe three times would have bade sense, but eight seems unnecessary. Ultimately, though, it seems he would have reason to believe he was in danger for his life--again, late at night, accosted and assaulted by two people, carrying quite a bit of cash. I'd be scared too.
The kid in question messed with an unknown quantity and paid the price for it with his life. Deserved or not isn't an issue. Its what happens when you choose to become a violent criminal. Live fast die young.
Not only did the man legitimately defend himself against an unprovoked attacker, but he stayed with the boy after doing so; dude could have walked away after calling the police and left him with the 16 year-old.
But by the same token, eight shots...? Excessive.
Even so, I don't think the man did anything wrong. He was attacked, he responded.
But by the same token, eight shots...? Excessive.
Even so, I don't think the man did anything wrong. He was attacked, he responded.
Do you think that real-life combat is turn based or something? The beating wasn't going to stop with "just one punch". If he didn't shoot the guy right there, they had a good chance of killing him if they wanted to, and I for one wouldn't be so quick to bet my life on the goodwill of the guys who were mugging me.Blitzwarp said:
Did he have due cause to fire? You bet your ass he did. But eight times? That's pretty excessive, even with blurred vision. Honestly, one shot would have scared the dude off, considering the other guy took off at just the sight of the gun.
And explain the reason why this man couldn't of just raised his gun and told them to back off? Mugging someone does not deserve death. I think both parties were incredibly stupid and aggressive. You don't pull your firearm and unload into someone because they assault you.Fagotto said:
I doubt this guy is going to get away without gaol time. To use the self defense pardon of a crime you must not use any amount of excessive force.
P.S "Just punched in the head" means "recently punched in the head".
He was completely right. While it is bad that a child died, he initiated a violent situation, they Outnumbered him and in the dark he couldn't see them NEVER MIND he was dazed after being assaulted.As others pointed out he just emptied the gun. The kid Who Was shot had overstepped the line of childish antics and into the land of Lethal encounters.This should be covered in Middle school, when you do bad things bad things happen. And to the guy a few posts above me yes being assaulted by numerous people IS cause to shoot them.
Baker was certainly within his right to defend himself. The fact that someone tied is, however, unfortunate. He had no reason to believe his life was not in danger and defend himself appropriately. The amount of shots fired is largely irrelevant, IMO. Being physically assaulted by two people will make anyone panic, I seriously doubt he was counting the shots as he pulled the trigger. He most likely defended himself until he noticed that whatever was attacking him had stopped, nothing sinister about it. Sure, some kid died and that really sucks (I mean that too, it's a real shame), but this is why you don't go mugging people in countries that allow it's citizens to carry concealed weapons.
I won't say he was in the wrong or that he was using excessive force (any amount of force is alright in my books if you have legitimate fears about surviving), what I will say is that the whole affair is tragic. That's really all I can say.
I won't say he was in the wrong or that he was using excessive force (any amount of force is alright in my books if you have legitimate fears about surviving), what I will say is that the whole affair is tragic. That's really all I can say.
Thats not baker, thats from a different shootingNovania said:
As for all the white knights, go tell us that you wouldnt have emptied the magezine of your self-defence weapon of choice if you had just been punched in the face, unannounced, by a random and his mate, who may or may not have a weapon/s, in the middle of the night, while your out jogging.