Poll: Teen Shot dead after attempting to mug man

[The Lunatic]

I don't think the guy deserved death, but, well, he had a retaliation coming.

It's just unfortunate for him, that it resulted in his death.

 

[ilspooner]

The kid did not deserve to die. However, Baker is in the right. If I was in that situation, I would have panicked and held down the trigger. I can pretend that I would stay calm, rational and shot him in the leg/arm or threatened him with the gun.

I also think the people who are defending the mugger are not thinking about what Baker was going through. Thinking rationally a situation like that is not easy.

 

[Angerwing]

He was using a laser sighted gun fitted with .45 Hollow-point rounds, and he was joining the military. He shot the kid 8 times in the chest for punching him. Is the kid in the wrong? Hell yes. But that is some serious fire-power and a grossly disproportionate reaction from someone who probably is quite experienced with firearms. I think he wanted to kill someone, anyone, to be honest.

 

[macfluffers]

Read the rest of my post. It really isn't just as simple as "He hit him, he deserves to die!"

What kind of sick minded justice do you believe in?

I read your whole post.

This wasn't a bar fight, this wasn't a tussle between two guys who didn't like each other, this was a guy jumping someone in the middle of the night without warning. If you think you can get away with assaulting someone like that, you deserve a quick death.

"Sick minded justice"? If by "sick minded" you mean efficient, then yes, it is sick minded.

 

[TNPspectre]

He was using a laser sighted gun fitted with .45 Hollow-point rounds, and he was joining the military. He shot the kid 8 times in the chest for punching him. Is the kid in the wrong? Hell yes. But that is some serious fire-power and a grossly disproportionate reaction from someone who probably is quite experienced with firearms. I think he wanted to kill someone, anyone, to be honest.

I Just made a post on the page right before this with a few things you should look at.
also he fired 8 times only connected 4

 

[Blatherscythe]

The jogger was out manned, already had been punched and was afraid one had a weapon. He definatly had a right to pull out the gun and fire, but 8 shots is overkill. Still, the mugger got what he fucking deserved. Alright that's a bit harsh, but he did deserve to at least get roughed up by one of he targets.

 

[esin]

He was using a laser sighted gun fitted with .45 Hollow-point rounds, and he was joining the military. He shot the kid 8 times in the chest for punching him. Is the kid in the wrong? Hell yes. But that is some serious fire-power and a grossly disproportionate reaction from someone who probably is quite experienced with firearms. I think he wanted to kill someone, anyone, to be honest.

Also punched in the face and suffering blurred vision.

 

[macfluffers]

This has absolutely nothing to do with the Arizona shooting. Shame on the reporter for even bringing it up.

It does sort of make sense by showing reasons to have gun control and not having it, showcasing the dilemma. The article could've been more elegant about it, but I think that was the intent.

 

[Slycne]

Forgive me for not being an expert on guns and propulsion physics. Also a falling gun bullet shot upwards hardly sounds like a serious threat to your health.

Unless you just so happen to fire exactly straight up in the air(which will cause the bullet to fall back a much slower terminal velocity), a bullet will travel its trajectory and fall to Earth with lethal force. There are confirmed cases of this and thus why it's illegal to fire a gun into the air in many places.

Where is this information from? Just doing a bit of simple math, a freefalling bullet would have less than 1/100 of the kinetic energy that a freshly fired one would. I can't imagine that being enough to hurt someone.

I believe that the law against shooting the gun in the air is to prevent shots at angles like 45 degrees, which could maintain horizontal speeds to kill someone a hundred meters away. But straight up in the air? I don't think so. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll trust the math first.

Which is basically exactly what I said. If you fire a gun perfectly straight up, then yes it will mostly likely loose spin stabilization and tumble back to Earth at a non-lethal terminal velocity. But at even a shallow angle from 90, the bullet will reach apogee and then "fall" while continuing to spin and avoid much of the air resistance, thus coming back to Earth with more than lethal velocity. One story, for instance, involved a single bullet, likely fired in a New Years celebration, passing through someone's head, killing them, and then hitting someone in the side to cause enough injury that they were pronounced dead once they reached the hospital, bleed out probably. Earlier I pulled up a few more stories of people being killed by suspected/confirmed falling bullets and testing done, the testing was in German though. And not that their science is 100% all the time, but it was tested by the Mythbusters.

 

[misterrosy]

I hate that the mugger was called the 'victim' in the caption. He attacked with intent to steal from an innocent. Baker shot in self defense. Also... 8 shots goes very fast, you will be surprised how easy it is to squeeze a trigger.

 

[HentMas]

But I mean, it was eight shots fired. How do you shoot someone eight times in self-defence? That makes no sense.

well... if you are in fear of your life, i would think one would shoot as many times as it takes to make the attaker go down, and 8 gunshots can be fired really fast if one has enough skill with the trigger

i´m all in for Baker.

 

[Slycne]

Warning shots are for the military and the movies.

I can personally attest to that in the US Army Infantry training, you are not taught to fire warning shots. If it's an escalating situation has not been resolved by verbal or the perceived threat of you being armed and they are a threat to you. You shoot to kill.

The classic training scenario was a vehicle failing to slow/stop at a check point.

 

[Jerome Kesler]

I do not post on this sight much but i would like to add my personal knowledge to the subject. When you get a SHTF moment you mind stops thinking and you fall back on basic primal instincts and training. Fingers and hands stop working how you want them to every thing you thought you would do you forget. Its not like in a game where you can line up a shot, its center mass if you don't do this right you will die.

It dose crack me up that people are saying he should have shot him in the leg or arm. Have they ever help a pistol or fired one? Effective range on a hand gun is from the end off the barrel to about 15 feet for center mass if you have training. Add getting punched being out of breath and probably making a mess in your shorts?

former airborne

 

[Mortons4ck]

Death is an occupational hazard of mugging.

 

[Jerome Kesler]

I do not post on this sight much but i would like to add my personal knowledge to the subject. When you get a SHTF moment you mind stops thinking and you fall back on basic primal instincts and training. Fingers and hands stop working how you want them to every thing you thought you would do you forget. Its not like in a game where you can line up a shot, its center mass if you don't do this right you will die.

It dose crack me up that people are saying he should have shot him in the leg or arm. Have they ever help a pistol or fired one? Effective range on a hand gun is from the end off the barrel to about 15 feet for center mass if you have training. Add getting punched being out of breath and probably making a mess in your shorts?

former airborne

 

[Priddo]

Like the OP said, if you don't want to be shot, don't try mugging someone.

 

[Phoenix14]

Sorry but I have to disagree with a lot of people here. It was just a couple of kids and the guy shot him eight times. He could have fired a warning shot, I mean hes clearly capable of handling himself if hes applying for the military and keeps fit. The kid had his whole life to turn around, but now he won't get that chance. People who do bad things can change, and I don't think it was necessary to shot him eight times so he was sure he would be dead.

Not necessarily, ever heard that saying "once a thief always a thief"? the mugger could have survived and realized that for now on he would be more careful and carry a gun around next time he tried mugging someone so he wouldn't risk getting shot again.

But then again we'll never know, maybe your right...