Poll: The complainers are winning...
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This is what I meant previously about a valid reason to want something pulled other than 'I didn't like it'. As much as kids would hate you for it, it's a decent cause.Aardvark said:
yeah the minority always make decisions, most complaints to the fcc comes from one group of ppl
the whole super bowl "costume malfunction" thing generated something like 6 letters in canada to the crtc, the labbatt blue commercial with 2 girls kissing created more complaints
the whole super bowl "costume malfunction" thing generated something like 6 letters in canada to the crtc, the labbatt blue commercial with 2 girls kissing created more complaints
Yeah I agree.cleverlymadeup said:
It should always be the majority who decide things, that's how democracy works. In Birmingham (England), like, one muslim made a complaint about the christmas lights in the Bullring (Their main shopping centre/mall) and now they will no longer be put up in the holidays. After this decision, thousands of muslims from Birmingham were interviewed, and not one of them had a problem with it, as we welcomed them into our country, they are grateful.
If we complained about their holiday lights that they put up in their districts, it would be deemed racist. They have black/muslim only resteraunts on a road near where I live. If we did that, RACIST. What was this thread about again?
Oh yeah. Letters.
Whups.
If i can focus this back on the op's post:
if you air intimate details about your sex life on live radio, at least have the decency to leave the other party anonomus (sp? sorry). He didn't, and got what he deserved. he insulted the child of a legend.
as for Clarkson, funny though that comment was, it was also totally uncalled for.
if you air intimate details about your sex life on live radio, at least have the decency to leave the other party anonomus (sp? sorry). He didn't, and got what he deserved. he insulted the child of a legend.
as for Clarkson, funny though that comment was, it was also totally uncalled for.
Everyone now-a-days seem so sensitive to just about everything!! I want blood, guts, and sex in my TV shows... Is that really too much to ask for!!!
And I'm waaaaaaay too lazy to write angrey letters to people all the time, i'm not the U.N.
lol, JinxyKatte has the right idea.
And I'm waaaaaaay too lazy to write angrey letters to people all the time, i'm not the U.N.
lol, JinxyKatte has the right idea.
Right way to complain: "I found what you did to be very offensive and will not be partaking of your product/program unless an apology is offered."
Wrong way to complain: "I find the basis of your product/program offensive and expect you to stop immediately and punish all those involved or I will sue."
If you don't tell people you don't like what they did, how are they supposed to know? Are we only supposed to talk about things we like? However, there's the other side of that coin- what gives you the right to make sweeping demands, expecting an entire group or entity to completely change what they're doing and impose upon those involved simply because you don't like what they do?
Balance in everything, kids, that's the way to go.
Wrong way to complain: "I find the basis of your product/program offensive and expect you to stop immediately and punish all those involved or I will sue."
If you don't tell people you don't like what they did, how are they supposed to know? Are we only supposed to talk about things we like? However, there's the other side of that coin- what gives you the right to make sweeping demands, expecting an entire group or entity to completely change what they're doing and impose upon those involved simply because you don't like what they do?
Balance in everything, kids, that's the way to go.
I considered for a long time writing a letter to all major broadcasting compaines asking them never to use the word "The" again, claiming that it's excessive use was dampening the linguistic skill of our youth, and that I found it personally offensive; I only used "The" in quotes, never using it as an actual word. If I can find the letter, I'll post it here.
Be warned, though, it's dripping with sarcasm (did you know that sarcasm is the same color as antifreeze?)
Apoloiges Abound
Be warned, though, it's dripping with sarcasm (did you know that sarcasm is the same color as antifreeze?)
Apoloiges Abound
As always, I must bring George Carlin into this. Why? Because he tells it better than I would, that's why. Story goes something like this: a reverend in Mississippi is driving along, listening to his radio, when something coming over the airwaves offends him. Reverend fires off a letter to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC for short), which then decides they have the power to regulate what is said over said airwaves. They arbitrarily decided to give themselves new powers, and unfortunately, they have the power to do that.
Now is when Carlin points out there are two knobs on the radio (this is back when radios had knobs): one to change the station, and one to turn the radio off. If something offended him, those were far better options, but now, instead of a system where stations and networks were accountable to themselves and sponsors, and offended people means less revenue, followed by changes to programs to get people back, we have bullshit regulation. Regulation where, if I should try to say something like "bullshit" on the air, I and/or the station would be fined, or I would be censored to avoid being fined, which I reiterate is bullshit. The superior system again would be I offend people, people stopped listening/watching. And since it's a better system, that's why it will never happen.
To end my rant, the complainers win because no one writes letters when everything is A-OK.
Now is when Carlin points out there are two knobs on the radio (this is back when radios had knobs): one to change the station, and one to turn the radio off. If something offended him, those were far better options, but now, instead of a system where stations and networks were accountable to themselves and sponsors, and offended people means less revenue, followed by changes to programs to get people back, we have bullshit regulation. Regulation where, if I should try to say something like "bullshit" on the air, I and/or the station would be fined, or I would be censored to avoid being fined, which I reiterate is bullshit. The superior system again would be I offend people, people stopped listening/watching. And since it's a better system, that's why it will never happen.
To end my rant, the complainers win because no one writes letters when everything is A-OK.
Sometimes you can take things too far and an apology should suffice, but if you can't see anything wrong with phoning up a 70 year old man and harassing him then there's no point in trying to explain why it's wrong to you.
As much as that apllies in many cases, it also can lead to people hating a perfectly good thing just to be different, so make sure you consider stuff before you decide it offends you.Monkeyman8 said:
I voted Yes, I would. Freedom of speech is not at anyone's convenience. Hear my example before you judge;
In New Zealand recently a south island licensing board (responsible for importing all liquor in their area) decided to no longer stock absinthe because a young rugby followed three beers with six neat (straight) shots and died three times on his way to hospital (survived.)
Everyone was patting themselves on the back about it. With all due respect he was an idiot, and I wrote to tell them so. Sounds about right, doesn't it?
It works both ways, if you feel someone has insulted your beliefs with their freedom of speech, use yours to provide a clear and reasonable opposition.
In New Zealand recently a south island licensing board (responsible for importing all liquor in their area) decided to no longer stock absinthe because a young rugby followed three beers with six neat (straight) shots and died three times on his way to hospital (survived.)
Everyone was patting themselves on the back about it. With all due respect he was an idiot, and I wrote to tell them so. Sounds about right, doesn't it?
It works both ways, if you feel someone has insulted your beliefs with their freedom of speech, use yours to provide a clear and reasonable opposition.
Dude, if you want blood, guts & sex in your TV shows, then just watch True Blood... ;>))Jark212 said:
As for the actual subject at hand, I clicked on "Live & Let Live", as I agree with both Ago & Jinxy that people nowadays are much too sensitive to everything around them. Because they've seen that complaining loudly & being a fucktard about trivial matters tend to elicit big concessions &/or big payouts, they go around looking for stuff to be offended by. I do think that Brand & Ross went too far, but they both publicly & privately apologised to Andrew Sachs - I believe that Jonathon Ross actually went to Andrew Sach's home & apologised personally. I feel very much that the furore surrounding this "scandal" is nothing more than a stunt orchestrated by the media to drum up stories & to boost sagging circulation figures.
I also truly believe that if you are offended by something in the media, then simply switch over to another channel, or turn the device off. That's the best way to complain - by depleting their audience share & hurting their advertising revenue. Money is the only language executives understand.
For a very long time as well, I've felt that the BBC has enjoyed far too much of an advantage over the competition - In the shape of the TV licence fee. It is the law here in the UK that if you have a TV in your home attached to an aerial, then you must pay the TV licence, which is about £140 a year. If you don't, you risk facing a hefty fine, up to a £1000 limit. I feel that charging people to watch TV is wrong, & that the BBC should be forced to raise its funds through commercial advertising, like every other broadcaster here in the UK.
I do indeed complain if I don't like it.
I don't see why I should not.
If I don't like something, I won't praise it, I will tell what I dislike about it.
I won't care about the people who do like it, they can state their opinion as well.
If there are indeed more who enjoy it, then my opinion won't matter as much now will it?
Still you can forget that I will agree just because some fanboys are gonna get pissy.
I don't see why I should not.
If I don't like something, I won't praise it, I will tell what I dislike about it.
I won't care about the people who do like it, they can state their opinion as well.
If there are indeed more who enjoy it, then my opinion won't matter as much now will it?
Still you can forget that I will agree just because some fanboys are gonna get pissy.
i voted live and let live.
if i don't like something, i ignore it, and find something better to do with my time.
if i don't like something, i ignore it, and find something better to do with my time.
I honestly don't give a shit, mainly because I find politically incorrect humour the funniest type out there. One thing I found strange was that out of the million or so people who listened to the show, around 25000 or so complained. Thats not exactly a huge percentage is it? Or is it a remarkably high number? I find though as a non-Brit living in England that the English love complaining to an excessive degree, almost as much as they love queueing.
I've never found Russell Brand nor Jonathan Woss that funny or talented anyway, so if they get fired I wouldn't give a rats ass.
I've never found Russell Brand nor Jonathan Woss that funny or talented anyway, so if they get fired I wouldn't give a rats ass.
I don't know much about what russel and johnathan said, mostly coz i don't care. But i was watching the top gear episode where he made the prositute joke. But i wasn't a prositute joke, it was a trucker joke was was ment only as a joke. People who complain about that sort of thing usualy don't have a sence of humour and as clarkson might say 'wear cardigans'.