Actually, levitation did serve a purpose in Morrowind. There are quite a few locations in dungeons that can only be reached by levitating.SajuukKhar said:
Also, it's good for getting around the nightmare of tedious level design that is Vivec.
Poll: The Elder Scrolls VI: what do you want?
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Also, it's good for getting around the nightmare of tedious level design that is Vivec.
Just put it in the option menu. So when I want to let off some steam, I can turn it off and have some fun. We all want to do this sometimes:Politeia said:
SajuukKhar & Politeia play nice or I'm sending you both to bed with no sweetrolls. While I agree that all 17 plus Khajiit species is highly optimisitic if they keep the engine (and don't spend a lot of time upgrading it) the chances of a few more subspecies increases. Also if the set the next game in Valenwood they can introduce a few, making the game after more likely to have more as they already have some done. Either that or contrive a story reason to reduce the numbers of subspecies to a more manageable number
In one of the in game books it states that the tomb doors are locked not to keep people out, but the undead in hence why they are so simple.King of Wei said:
Good idea, have essentials sent to a healing hall to get better, maybe anyone you didn't kill (so a dragon attack on riverwood doesn't empty the village apart from the kids and that one chicken.Krinkle Ymouse said:
Morrowind. Make it like that, the story, the choices or armour and weapon choice, the variety of landscape and culture. Actually i want Morrowind+. I want the stats to matter for guilds. No "i have one spell yet become grandmaster" nope, i want the guilds linked to the skills you use. I know you can CHOOSE to go magic or thief. But make the game limit you, you know, because its meant to be a real world and thus the wizards guild wouldnt allow a dumb ass with one spell to rule them. 
I'd honestly prefer if they didn't do this, even if it makes sense in the lore. Pledging oneself to a cause shouldn't be so cheap that you can do it ten times over with no negative repercussions. Especially if it involves offering your soul.SajuukKhar said:
Really, I just want to be a normal guy in TES VI. No dragonborn, destiny or Nerevarine stuff. Just to be random adventurer doing what I do. But no, I've got to "save the world" again... That's what's wrong with TES' main quests. Everything else in the game is about wandering the land, just happening upon interesting things and exploring, but the main quest is just a generic "The world is in danger", "Oh, no, I better do X so I can kill X and then save the world". Actually, not having a main quest at all might be a good idea. Guilds generally are more expansive and interesting than the main quest anyway and could easily take its place.
Well, first and foremost, combat overhaul. Even if it is just a copy of something like Dark Souls, combat needs to be better. I think the idea of Dark Souls style of combat is where the game is headed to begin with (stamina bar and all that), and the idea of fights being threatening in one on one encounters let alone when friends get involved would be amazing. Various sorts of swings based on how you swing, using heavy and light attacks, switching from one to two hands on the fly and changing attack animations depending on if you swing mid run, standing, jumping backwards, after a roll or whatever. Also, add in the dodge roll system and help make the decision to carry every plate and cup you find in the dungeon truly a tough choice as you have to keep encumbrance below not just the max, but below 75%, 50%, or even 25% based on what sort of character you play.
Introduce a Stance system to add to combat and character roleplaying (and variety to random encounters too). Treat it like the Dark Souls weapon system, only changeable and bound to classes of weapons. Lets say I have a Stance that lets me do short pokes with a longsword, as well as wide sweeps with heavy swings. It would work for every type of long sword, so I could get familiar with a fighting pattern, pick my favorite but not be restricted to a single weapon the whole game. Furthermore, one would not be able to always guess how an npc bandit will attack simply because of the weapon on their back. Hell, add small stat variations on them too. Small percent more damage per swing, but wider and slower. Faster strikes but requires a dagger and can't block as well. Imagine if you played in a cave of bandits with every one armed with a dagger or sword and not a one fought the same as another. Would that not add actual individuality to them, threat and personality to them? Imagine if even weak enemies made you just a little fearful again.
Now that combat is fairly decent, lets work on leveling. Keep how skills level as you use them, but change the growth they have on the player a little. The same health/mana/stamina growth per level doesn't give the same feeling as getting a few stat points that oblivion/morrowind did. Don't have the amount you get based in the skills you level though because god I hated that.
Also, change level scaling. Have areas designated by a challenge rating that makes sense for the area, let them take into around player level but not entirely dependent on it. Areas have a modifier or something that add or subtract from the player level, have level caps or minimum enemy levels. It comes off as a little ridiculous that the cave right next to starter village has monsters that can bend me over the table and slap my ass if I spent a little time crafting beforehand. That system discouraged anything but combat proficiency of some degree. Instead, break skills into two categories in terms of how the game reads them to base enemy difficulty on. First are combat skills. Weapons, armors, magics. These are treated 1 for 1 in terms of how they'd affect enemies. Next are the non-combat ones. Reduce them to 2 or 3 for 1. That way, it takes into account how those skills can help out, but doesn't pretend that because I can convince a guard to let me go, it will help me stop an undead dreadlord from curb-stomping my ass.
Upgrade weapon crafting and increase variety of weapon and armor types. I miss paldrons and piece by piece armor finding (and enchanting). Add in some spears and polearms, some crossbows and javelins. Have crafting have an element of chance to it, where weapons can come within damage ranges rather then static numbers. Make it a joy to see a weapon drop in hopes it is higher quality then the one you made. Hell, have smithing ranks affect the highest rank you can potentially make of any sort of weapon rather then a static reinforcement number. Keep reinforce but encourage harder decisions between making new stuff for a higher potential base quality and reinforcing an existing one.
Magic and Enchanting. Make it fun, make the enchantments creative, let players come up with spells based on a plethora of effects. Give us orbs and small bolts as well as walls and traps and weapon coatings, armors of flame and swirling vortexes of lighting and death. Don't just make magic practical, make it absurd. I want to be able to cast a fireball that explodes and casts levitate and slow on enemies to confuse the hell out of them. I want a lightning bolt that paralyzes them in the spot. I want trap rune that can cause poison. Give players more options and flexibility and dozens of casting types, effect, damages and the like. And, add in that Stance system from before for various buffs/penalties. Adds to individuality if necromancers have a Casting Stance that has them cut their hands, costing them a small bit of lift to cast much higher damage spells, or Clerics pray a moment before casting healing spells, making it slower but more potent. Hell, have a pyromancer stance that makes a Kamehameha that always adds explode to the spell effect.
All I can think of for now, but there is a lot more.
Introduce a Stance system to add to combat and character roleplaying (and variety to random encounters too). Treat it like the Dark Souls weapon system, only changeable and bound to classes of weapons. Lets say I have a Stance that lets me do short pokes with a longsword, as well as wide sweeps with heavy swings. It would work for every type of long sword, so I could get familiar with a fighting pattern, pick my favorite but not be restricted to a single weapon the whole game. Furthermore, one would not be able to always guess how an npc bandit will attack simply because of the weapon on their back. Hell, add small stat variations on them too. Small percent more damage per swing, but wider and slower. Faster strikes but requires a dagger and can't block as well. Imagine if you played in a cave of bandits with every one armed with a dagger or sword and not a one fought the same as another. Would that not add actual individuality to them, threat and personality to them? Imagine if even weak enemies made you just a little fearful again.
Now that combat is fairly decent, lets work on leveling. Keep how skills level as you use them, but change the growth they have on the player a little. The same health/mana/stamina growth per level doesn't give the same feeling as getting a few stat points that oblivion/morrowind did. Don't have the amount you get based in the skills you level though because god I hated that.
Also, change level scaling. Have areas designated by a challenge rating that makes sense for the area, let them take into around player level but not entirely dependent on it. Areas have a modifier or something that add or subtract from the player level, have level caps or minimum enemy levels. It comes off as a little ridiculous that the cave right next to starter village has monsters that can bend me over the table and slap my ass if I spent a little time crafting beforehand. That system discouraged anything but combat proficiency of some degree. Instead, break skills into two categories in terms of how the game reads them to base enemy difficulty on. First are combat skills. Weapons, armors, magics. These are treated 1 for 1 in terms of how they'd affect enemies. Next are the non-combat ones. Reduce them to 2 or 3 for 1. That way, it takes into account how those skills can help out, but doesn't pretend that because I can convince a guard to let me go, it will help me stop an undead dreadlord from curb-stomping my ass.
Upgrade weapon crafting and increase variety of weapon and armor types. I miss paldrons and piece by piece armor finding (and enchanting). Add in some spears and polearms, some crossbows and javelins. Have crafting have an element of chance to it, where weapons can come within damage ranges rather then static numbers. Make it a joy to see a weapon drop in hopes it is higher quality then the one you made. Hell, have smithing ranks affect the highest rank you can potentially make of any sort of weapon rather then a static reinforcement number. Keep reinforce but encourage harder decisions between making new stuff for a higher potential base quality and reinforcing an existing one.
Magic and Enchanting. Make it fun, make the enchantments creative, let players come up with spells based on a plethora of effects. Give us orbs and small bolts as well as walls and traps and weapon coatings, armors of flame and swirling vortexes of lighting and death. Don't just make magic practical, make it absurd. I want to be able to cast a fireball that explodes and casts levitate and slow on enemies to confuse the hell out of them. I want a lightning bolt that paralyzes them in the spot. I want trap rune that can cause poison. Give players more options and flexibility and dozens of casting types, effect, damages and the like. And, add in that Stance system from before for various buffs/penalties. Adds to individuality if necromancers have a Casting Stance that has them cut their hands, costing them a small bit of lift to cast much higher damage spells, or Clerics pray a moment before casting healing spells, making it slower but more potent. Hell, have a pyromancer stance that makes a Kamehameha that always adds explode to the spell effect.
All I can think of for now, but there is a lot more.
Do you know what I want? Let Bethesda Game Studios invest full time in the game without feeling that the "11.11.11" is a perfect release date. Do you know that there is a mod that actually found the code that make the Civil War quest more interesting and it's not even made by modders, most of the codes and scripting is literally found in the game and the modders fix it.
It is very clear that the game is being rushed considering that the game have been patched multiple times, the issue with the console especially PS3, and the added features in the later date (4 GB RAM awareness, High Resolution Texture, Horse Combat). BGS have once created the most unique game which is Morrowind and most of the Elder Scrolls fan are still argue that it is the best game ever, even though I like Oblivion and Skyrim. Morrowind is literally created by a few people and it is a massive success.
If Skyrim is made by a 100 people, they probably should ofhow Morrowind saved Bethesda from bankruptcy. The feedbacks have been mentioned, the issues have been annoying, the complaints have been swarming Pete Hines tweet. I probably expect that Fallout 4 isn't debut at E3 2013 because they need more time to create the best RPG ever. Of course, we all will probably anticipate the the debut of Elder Scrolls VI, which hope to rival CD Projekt's, The Witcher game series, the old Bioware RPGs, probably Dragon's Dogma too or all of the game, in the gamer's heart.
It is very clear that the game is being rushed considering that the game have been patched multiple times, the issue with the console especially PS3, and the added features in the later date (4 GB RAM awareness, High Resolution Texture, Horse Combat). BGS have once created the most unique game which is Morrowind and most of the Elder Scrolls fan are still argue that it is the best game ever, even though I like Oblivion and Skyrim. Morrowind is literally created by a few people and it is a massive success.
If Skyrim is made by a 100 people, they probably should ofhow Morrowind saved Bethesda from bankruptcy. The feedbacks have been mentioned, the issues have been annoying, the complaints have been swarming Pete Hines tweet. I probably expect that Fallout 4 isn't debut at E3 2013 because they need more time to create the best RPG ever. Of course, we all will probably anticipate the the debut of Elder Scrolls VI, which hope to rival CD Projekt's, The Witcher game series, the old Bioware RPGs, probably Dragon's Dogma too or all of the game, in the gamer's heart.
chivalry medieval combat, take that combat system and put it into skyrim. I would like some variety in magic maybe actually being able to make a wall of ice, or a spell that increases your runnign speeed and causes you to leave behind a trail of fire, but at the very least make magic a viable option at high levels. Maybe a hardcore mode like fallout new vegas, also permadeath option.
I know it costs enough that its the very reason they haven't done it in any of the games so far. You just want to seem to ignore that fact because you had some odd hellbent obsession over cats apparently.Politeia said:
Having stats matter to guids makes no sense because stats are nothing more then an abstract game method of showing progress to the arbitrary 100% state the devs set. Realistically, guilds would make you use magic in order to pass tests/complete challenges.SonOfVoorhees said:
Which is what the guilds kinda do already
-DB makes you murder people
-TG makes you pickpocket someone to get in, and makes you do like 40+ radiant quests, all of which require being able to steal/pickpocket/plant evidence without getting caught, or murdering the target, before you can become guild master.
-College makes you have to cast a spell to get in, and makes you have to know how to cast wards for a long period of time, and makes you have to know how to use fire/frost magic to overcome a challenge, and several magically sealed doors.
-The Companions just make sure you can kill shit.
OFc, I do agree these test need to be harder, but its far better then "here's some magical sheet of all my stats despite the fact that stats don't actually exist, now make me guild leader cuz 100's hur der der."
Three fun factsThe Feast said:
1. that mod is mostly that modders own code that he made based off of notes left by the devs about the civil war, and not Bethesda code itself.
2. The PS3 problems was because of the PS3's cell architecture, and the split memory design, not because the game was rushed.
3. By that logic all expansions are indications of a rushed game as well. All games have patches, and most games gets new content. 4gig awareness, Hrose Combat, HRT, where all things made because they wanted to do them, not becuase they had to cut them from the base game cuz 11/11/11.
So you want Bethesda to make an Elder Scrolls game, that defeats the entire purpose of the name Elder Scrolls? Which is to say, a game based off of someone doing some epic thign as fortold by The Elder Scrolls?theemporer said:
Also, they did make a game like that, it was called Redguard, and everyone hated it, and it almost bankrupted Bethesda.
I kinda like how you define the facts which I have not have known even though I still disagree on things that almost make Bethesda a fan rage & troll attraction association. But about the guilds, or mostly the whole Skyrim quest, they seem to have lack the charm and detailed story when compared to Morrowind and Oblivion.SajuukKhar said:
The DB in Oblivion is the reason it became so popular and only Cicero is the main reason to care, the Fighters Guild in Oblivion and Morrowind seems to at least feel like an episode rather than a short movie, and even though the MG and TG quest is impressive, all of the finished guild quest seems to be boiled down to errand job instead of being a great Harbringer advisor or a feared Arch Mage. At least in Oblivion or Morrowind, you feel like the person who manage things in the guild. Unfortunately, the Bard College have lose its potential of being an interesting guild, they should expand it more in the next Elder Scrolls.
Man, I have never been this demanding from an Elder Scrolls, even I feel satisfied when playing Oblivion.
What they'll likely do is create a new engine and we'll get a new game with even fancier graphics, characters, environments, and so forth. And it'll look gorgeous, but definitely have an even larger hollow spot where its core used to be.
What I'd like is a game that mixes Skyrim's detailed graphics and environments, but returns some of the functionality lost over the past two games, or comes up with new features and functions. I miss having more than 4 pieces of armor, having more detailed and in depth enchanting and spellmaking, and so on. But even more, I keep hoping Bethesda will learn the lessons of Fallout New Vegas and learn to incorporate a stronger and more diverse storyline into its games.
What I'd like is a game that mixes Skyrim's detailed graphics and environments, but returns some of the functionality lost over the past two games, or comes up with new features and functions. I miss having more than 4 pieces of armor, having more detailed and in depth enchanting and spellmaking, and so on. But even more, I keep hoping Bethesda will learn the lessons of Fallout New Vegas and learn to incorporate a stronger and more diverse storyline into its games.
Y'know, I vaguely remember a thread likes this for Elder Scrolls V years ago. Lemme see how they did with those requests before I consider what I want to see in ES6.
So how'd we stack up.
They even took out armor durability just to please me. I'm touched. Anyway, Bethesda, if you want to make ES6 (or whatever it is), all you gotta do is use the tools you've got to make things better. Elder Scrolls V was awesome, all you have to do is use that toolset you used to make that game to make one that's even better. It's not that hard.
Though if I can suggest a place, how about Orsinium and a return to Daggerfall? Or barring that, Black Marsh.
Me from 2009 said:
1. Nope. Elder Scrolls V took place solely in Skyrim (and Solthsteim, which I still consider Skyrim since Morrowind basically went kablooie). Elder Scrolls Online is doing that, though, so no strike against them.
2. Way better. I hated the conversation system in Elder Scrolls 4, they went back and fixed it. Though I'd politely ask them to make sure NPCs don't put food/drink in their mouths when they're talking. Funny, but a little eyebrow-raising.
-2.1. Fixed. Thank the Nine.
-2.2. Also fixed.
3. Vastly better. Spells feel more different and unique, though getting a few (like Telekinesis or Detect Life) was a bit annoying.
-3.1. Fixed. The Destruction Apprentice and Expert spells were kind of similar but nothing too terrible.
-3.2. I'm not sure if it's faster, but it's certainly less like a grind.
-3.3. They didn't do this. I'm not too terribly broken up about it, but I'd still like Bethesda to consider it.
4. They did it. Love it.
5. They did that too.
6. As far as I can tell, it's optional to kill Mario (Parthunnaax's voice actor also voices Mario) and Ulfric Stormcloak, so I call that a win.
7. There's the Dawnguard, otherwise there weren't many new factions seeking recruits. But what happened to the Arena?
8. Done. Vastly better, makes the character way more customizable (and personal), love it. Great job, Bethesda!
9. Everything was done better. Everything.
10. Done. It's awesome being a Vampire Lord or Werewolf.
11. It's better, but I don't know, I still don't like being a prisoner.
12. Going into Hermaeus Mora's realm was definitely creepy and interesting, but I'd love to see more of Oblivion.
13. Enchanting is better in ES5, but I do miss being able to put as many enchantments as possible on stuff.
14. Fixed. Vastly better, especially if you have Summon Arvak.
15. Oh yeah, great seeing Dwarven tech and machines in Elder Scrolls 5. When I wasn't getting destroyed by Centurions, anyway.
16. Crossbows are like bows but they ignore armor with a slower reload time? Acceptable! Good to see alternatives to longbows!
17. Didn't do it. Disappointed, but not like I wasn't hard up for cash on my wizard playthrough.
2. Way better. I hated the conversation system in Elder Scrolls 4, they went back and fixed it. Though I'd politely ask them to make sure NPCs don't put food/drink in their mouths when they're talking. Funny, but a little eyebrow-raising.
-2.1. Fixed. Thank the Nine.
-2.2. Also fixed.
3. Vastly better. Spells feel more different and unique, though getting a few (like Telekinesis or Detect Life) was a bit annoying.
-3.1. Fixed. The Destruction Apprentice and Expert spells were kind of similar but nothing too terrible.
-3.2. I'm not sure if it's faster, but it's certainly less like a grind.
-3.3. They didn't do this. I'm not too terribly broken up about it, but I'd still like Bethesda to consider it.
4. They did it. Love it.
5. They did that too.
6. As far as I can tell, it's optional to kill Mario (Parthunnaax's voice actor also voices Mario) and Ulfric Stormcloak, so I call that a win.
7. There's the Dawnguard, otherwise there weren't many new factions seeking recruits. But what happened to the Arena?
8. Done. Vastly better, makes the character way more customizable (and personal), love it. Great job, Bethesda!
9. Everything was done better. Everything.
10. Done. It's awesome being a Vampire Lord or Werewolf.
11. It's better, but I don't know, I still don't like being a prisoner.
12. Going into Hermaeus Mora's realm was definitely creepy and interesting, but I'd love to see more of Oblivion.
13. Enchanting is better in ES5, but I do miss being able to put as many enchantments as possible on stuff.
14. Fixed. Vastly better, especially if you have Summon Arvak.
15. Oh yeah, great seeing Dwarven tech and machines in Elder Scrolls 5. When I wasn't getting destroyed by Centurions, anyway.
16. Crossbows are like bows but they ignore armor with a slower reload time? Acceptable! Good to see alternatives to longbows!
17. Didn't do it. Disappointed, but not like I wasn't hard up for cash on my wizard playthrough.
Though if I can suggest a place, how about Orsinium and a return to Daggerfall? Or barring that, Black Marsh.
They really need to combine the best attributes of the past few Elder Scrolls games to make a truly epic entry. Skyrim has the looks and the physics, but to me, it felt soulless. Fewer cities and environments made it feel more claustrophobic than Oblivion, despite Skyrim technically being larger, at least when flattened out.
They also need to do some character work quite badly. I could see the dev teams of Bethesda and Obsidian working together, creating a game with the scenery and engine of Bethesda together with the characters and storytelling of Obsidian.
Other potential improvements:
- Combat system is mostly good. Incrementally improve it, no missive overhaul needed.
- Bring spears back! I want to re-enact 300.
- Though mods serve me quite well here, throwing weapons would be nice.
- AI, both combat and civilian variants, could use improvement. We don't want them to be actually intelligent, but rather give the illusion of intelligence.
- Stop allies jumping in front of my own swings, it gets really annoying.
- *Others may be added when thought of.
They also need to do some character work quite badly. I could see the dev teams of Bethesda and Obsidian working together, creating a game with the scenery and engine of Bethesda together with the characters and storytelling of Obsidian.
Other potential improvements:
- Combat system is mostly good. Incrementally improve it, no missive overhaul needed.
- Bring spears back! I want to re-enact 300.
- Though mods serve me quite well here, throwing weapons would be nice.
- AI, both combat and civilian variants, could use improvement. We don't want them to be actually intelligent, but rather give the illusion of intelligence.
- Stop allies jumping in front of my own swings, it gets really annoying.
- *Others may be added when thought of.
Quests with multiple solutions and multiple outcomes. After Fallout 2, I expect this standard in every WRPG
Guild rank requirements. Knowing I could become arch-mage with a meat-head warrior broke the immersion in Oblivion and Morrowind. It enhances the credibility of the world and gives weight to character build choices.
Hand placed loot/treasure independent of level. So what if the player happens upon a good weapon or armor early? I dont need a babysitter to keep me from "ruining" my own experience. That's the player's decision. What good is the much vaunted exploration if there is nothing useful to find?
Interesting spells. Levitation set ES apart from most RPGs. They need to find a different method of rendering towns if there is a conflict with closed cells. In general, Skyrim has some of the most boring spells I've seen in a WRPG.
Multi path, labyrinthine dungeons. The dungeons in Skyrim are a joke.
Non-scaled valuables in buildings. I didn't make a thief so I could pilfer wooden spoons and bolts of cloth.
Climbing + verticality in level design. Not much of a thief if I can't sneak in through the top floor.
Guild rank requirements. Knowing I could become arch-mage with a meat-head warrior broke the immersion in Oblivion and Morrowind. It enhances the credibility of the world and gives weight to character build choices.
Hand placed loot/treasure independent of level. So what if the player happens upon a good weapon or armor early? I dont need a babysitter to keep me from "ruining" my own experience. That's the player's decision. What good is the much vaunted exploration if there is nothing useful to find?
Interesting spells. Levitation set ES apart from most RPGs. They need to find a different method of rendering towns if there is a conflict with closed cells. In general, Skyrim has some of the most boring spells I've seen in a WRPG.
Multi path, labyrinthine dungeons. The dungeons in Skyrim are a joke.
Non-scaled valuables in buildings. I didn't make a thief so I could pilfer wooden spoons and bolts of cloth.
Climbing + verticality in level design. Not much of a thief if I can't sneak in through the top floor.
Redguard failed because it was a third person action game with a preset main character, completely contradicting the entire Elder Scolls formula, not because the main character wasn't a chosen hero.SajuukKhar said:
And yes, I do want the former. TES' appeal comes more from the large open world and interesting lore than from the actual elder scrolls themselves, which are rarely mentioned and are often just used as a deus ex machina in a lackluster main story anyway. Interacting with that world from the perspective of a random person who lives in that world, who isn't a chosen hero, would be a more interesting, personal experience in my opinion. TES being a roleplaying game in which you can create your own character, I'd say offering more freedom in the kind of character you can play, not forcing you into a prophecy, would be a good thing.
Honestly, I hope they bring back the old stat system along with the skills and perks. It made more characters feel more personalized and original. Also, bring back custom classes. The stat boosts from custom classes helps you start out with your own preferred playstyle right off the bat, instead of working 7+ hours just to get a decent thief character.