Yes. I am familiar with System Shock,(good nod btw) However my thinking is what defined it, and as peoples reception is what defines any game, I couldnt in all honesty say that system shock defined or redefined shooters considering how few copies it sold. Even if it is a near perfect game, couldnt really consider it genera defining, because it wasnt as if system shock changed the genera as a whole, or introduced it to a massive new fanbase.Tattaglia said:You may have heard somewhere that BioShock was a spiritual successor to a certain series...
Maybe, but you can't say the same about Deus Ex. That game sold fairly well, developed a pretty strong fan base, had one sequel released and has another on the way.viranimus said:Yes. I am familiar with System Shock,(good nod btw) However my thinking is what defined it, and as peoples reception is what defines any game, I couldnt in all honesty say that system shock defined or redefined shooters considering how few copies it sold. Even if it is a near perfect game, couldnt really consider it genera defining, because it wasnt as if system shock changed the genera as a whole, or introduced it to a massive new fanbase.Tattaglia said:You may have heard somewhere that BioShock was a spiritual successor to a certain series...
Actually, Quake 1 was already fully 3D.The_root_of_all_evil said:Quake 2 was the first to have true 3D. ('97)
Agreed. Wolfenstein was the first FPS, therefore, it was the defining FPS.Psychosocial said:No Wolfenstein, this poll sure is broken.
Que? Yeah I know what Doom did for the genre, but I'm not qúite sure about the latter part of your statement.Gabanuka said:Doom for sure, it had everything modern FPSs do and more.
Halo did not define it, because Perfect Dark came oh so many years before Halo, and was a greater game, had a great plot, and didn't milk itself with millions of games.viranimus said:What defined it? People. Primarily with their reaction to them. Otherwise, it is just a disc.
Oh you want a specified game?
NO! you get 3.
Birthed it? Doom. Enough said.
Defined it? Halo (specifically 2 when console multiplayer became widespread and increased the popularity of shooters across the board)
Redefined it? Bioshock. Proper shooter with hybrid elements of RPGs with in depth and cohesive story and char building it has advanced the genera as a whole, because some people who wont play a shooter, will play bioshock willingly.
EDIT: you could argue that Kill.Switch redefined it, with the advent of the cover system, or gears of war with perhaps the fluidity and need to utilize the cover system. I personally wouldnt, but it is a valid argument.
Well said, this is the best way you could put it.Cowabungaa said:Different hallmarks for different parts of the genre. It's not as clear-cut that there is 1, big overarching game that defined it all.
There were multiple games that each added something to the table.
For example:
- Wolfenstein 3D put the genre on the map.
- Doom revolutionised level design.
- Quake made multi-player FPS a big thing.
- Half Life revolutionised storytelling.
- GoldenEye 007 defined console FPS'.
I'd say there is. I like valve games as much as the next guy but they hardly defined the genre. They were great examples of it, to be sure, but none were the first with mass appeal.Epocu said:Half-Life. No. No explanation. No need to justify it.