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I don't really care. Bets the limitless bias against Middle-Eastern people and Russians that plagues AAA games today.
 

sagitel

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why should ubisoft care? for them its like: lets throw a bunch of tea-drinking barbaric buck-toothed inbred bastards for the player to slaughter.
they show the trailer so more people would want to buy the game. and yes there a HUGE amount of people not caring about: ooohhh! that British guy is bad. this racism. this is controversy!
they buy for the game to go in and kill and ubisoft makes money from them. so this whole idea of" america fuck yeah!" in the trailer which was released on the fourth of july clearly shows that money making goal.
 

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dfphetteplace said:
The British are some of history's worst tyrants. You can't keep hiding your past behind Shakespeare and proper pronunciation. I don't mind if they get their asses kicked a little bit.
I'm really hoping you're being sarcastic. You know, with the whole Industrial Revolution thing and everything...
 

sagitel

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why should ubisoft care? for them its like: lets throw a bunch of tea-drinking barbaric buck-toothed inbred bastards for the player to slaughter.
they show the trailer so more people would want to buy the game. and yes there a HUGE amount of people not caring about: ooohhh! that British guy is bad. this racism. this is controversy!
they buy for the game to go in and kill and ubisoft makes money from them. so this whole idea of" america fuck yeah!" in the trailer which was released on the fourth of july clearly shows that money making goal.


Kyrian007 said:
I remember an idea I had during the Jack Thompson GTA:SA "murder simulator" controversy. We should kickstarter up a dev company who timed releases of games with other AAA titles with the specific purpose of OUT-controversy-ing the game we all REALLY want. Example: just before the release of GTA:SA, release an ACTUAL murder simulator. A sandbox populated by a myriad of NPC's. The player selects his target. Toys with them (bumping into them, calling then hanging up, sending cryptic letters and messages, whatever.) And then the break-in and murder (or kidnapping and pit-basement-"lotion on its skin" torture... then murder.) Then the post-murder toying with investigators while selecting a new target. Points would be given for creating a steady "theme" with the murders, resources spent by law enforcement finding you, panic among the populace, media coverage, and so on.

Good god, I just had the thought "I kind of want to play that game..." Perhaps there's something wrong with me? D'oh well.

See, with that game on shelves no one would have picked on GTA. Now for AC3... just have to OUT-"fuck yeah" the AC3 trailers and problem solved.
good gosh thats the best gaming idea i have ever heard! i want this!
 

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Whats the problem the brits were the baddies that time?? I live in the south I was the bad guy then 100% inspite of what confederate apologists would like to think.


Sometimes your the bad guy sometimes your the good guy. tough titty.
 

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Da Orky Man said:
dfphetteplace said:
The British are some of history's worst tyrants. You can't keep hiding your past behind Shakespeare and proper pronunciation. I don't mind if they get their asses kicked a little bit.
I'm really hoping you're being sarcastic. You know, with the whole Industrial Revolution thing and everything...
Not to mention the founders of principles that America would eventually fight for. John Locke yadayada.

ITT: A lot of people need to educate themselves on the British education system. Contrary to seemingly popular belief, we're not taught that the empire was great.
 

Da Orky Man

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Lethos said:
Da Orky Man said:
dfphetteplace said:
The British are some of history's worst tyrants. You can't keep hiding your past behind Shakespeare and proper pronunciation. I don't mind if they get their asses kicked a little bit.
I'm really hoping you're being sarcastic. You know, with the whole Industrial Revolution thing and everything...
Not to mention the founders of principles that America would eventually fight for. John Locke yadayada.

ITT: A lot of people need to educate themselves on the British education system. Contrary to seemingly popular belief, we're not taught that the empire was great.
Hell, we're taought next to nothing about the empire. I mean, a bit of it came in while doing the First World War, but we went through a full module of Industrial Revolution with nary a word.
 
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It's fine for the game to be biased, but when it goes for such a cheap bias as making the Redcoats bad and the Colonials good then it's pretty shitty. It'd be like if they made it a crusade against Islam in the first one because the target demographic was white Americans.

If they go for that bias then I'm far more likely to believe that they did it solely because they were too scared to break the status quo.
 

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DRes82 said:
Can you imagine a world where the US just decided to withdrawal from any involvement outside its borders? It would be special. I'll leave you all to ponder that.
They did that once before. We got the Great Depression and (arguably) WWII. Yeeeaaaahh...
 

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Kyrian007 said:
A sandbox populated by a myriad of NPC's. The player selects his target. Toys with them (bumping into them, calling then hanging up, sending cryptic letters and messages, whatever.) And then the break-in and murder (or kidnapping and pit-basement-"lotion on its skin" torture... then murder.) Then the post-murder toying with investigators while selecting a new target. Points would be given for creating a steady "theme" with the murders, resources spent by law enforcement finding you, panic among the populace, media coverage, and so on.

Good god, I just had the thought "I kind of want to play that game..." Perhaps there's something wrong with me?
Not at all. This sounds fucking awesome.
 

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erttheking said:
Between Tomb Raider, Mass Effect and this, I really don't care anymore. I got behind the Mass Effect movement, but I am just so sick of controversy in every single game. "Oh this game is xenophobic." "Oh, this game is racist." "Oh this game is sexist" I JUST WANT TO PLAY MY FREAKING VIDEO GAME! God, I am just sick of all the fucking drama.
A-MEN!

I'm not american (neither british) but it would make sense to me that the Templars are pro-British and the Assasins pro-revolution if the Templars are controlling the British crown, in which case they would lose part of their empire with the independence of the USA.

But I don't know if that's the case. It would make sense though, since the Templars have been controlling great western powers like the Papacy in previous games.
 

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Ok I have a serious honest to god question that id like to ask. This is neither sarcasm or feined(sp?) ignorance. I actually dont know the answer to this question if there is one.


So the implication here is that the revolutionary war is not black and white. not nearly so as the civil war was that i mentioned in an earlier post. I mentioned that we were clearly the bad guys in spite of what confederate apologists think.

The same goes with nazi germany I imagine the american/british/russian hail marys that ensue with every ww2 depiction might indeed get old but itd be nigh impossible to argue that it happened any other way.

So i myself have little education on the revolutionary war aside from this otherwise black and white understanding.

So how and in what ways would you say that the revolutionary war was in fact grey? I would argue that if it wasnt so grey than the rise trailer is justified.

how can in any light the brits possibly be the good guys and the americans bad? or the morality of the whole thing be grey and unclear?

again totally real question. looking forward to some sharp responses.

edit:eek:f note it was not just the americans but the french,the netherlands, and spain on the side of the colonies.
 

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Da Orky Man said:
dfphetteplace said:
The British are some of history's worst tyrants. You can't keep hiding your past behind Shakespeare and proper pronunciation. I don't mind if they get their asses kicked a little bit.
I'm really hoping you're being sarcastic. You know, with the whole Industrial Revolution thing and everything...
Not even a little. I'm not saying other people are innocent at all, but I have no sympathy for an empire that paved their way with the blood of indigenous people.

Cappa: Trust me.
 

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erttheking said:
Between Tomb Raider, Mass Effect and this, I really don't care anymore. I got behind the Mass Effect movement, but I am just so sick of controversy in every single game. "Oh this game is xenophobic." "Oh, this game is racist." "Oh this game is sexist" I JUST WANT TO PLAY MY FREAKING VIDEO GAME! God, I am just sick of all the fucking drama.
I wouldn't be so sick of these sorts of things if the people complaining didn't phrase things in ways that imply that anyone who disagrees with them is some sort of "-ist". I recently came across someone on Kotaku who literally said that they held their position because it was a just one, and anyone who disagreed with them supported injustice. Considering how messy even basic social issues tend to be, I tend to be leery of anyone proclaiming absolute positions.
 

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JonnWood said:
erttheking said:
Between Tomb Raider, Mass Effect and this, I really don't care anymore. I got behind the Mass Effect movement, but I am just so sick of controversy in every single game. "Oh this game is xenophobic." "Oh, this game is racist." "Oh this game is sexist" I JUST WANT TO PLAY MY FREAKING VIDEO GAME! God, I am just sick of all the fucking drama.
I wouldn't be so sick of these sorts of things if the people complaining didn't phrase things in ways that imply that anyone who disagrees with them is some sort of "-ist". I recently came across someone on Kotaku who literally said that they held their position because it was a just one, and anyone who disagreed with them supported injustice. Considering how messy even basic social issues tend to be, I tend to be leery of anyone proclaiming absolute positions.
Sith deal in absolutes this is a good thing to be cautious of.
 

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I think the real controversy present in that trailer is that there is an "assassin" fighting on the front lines of a war.

Last time I checked, that was called being a soldier.
 

Da Orky Man

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dfphetteplace said:
Da Orky Man said:
dfphetteplace said:
The British are some of history's worst tyrants. You can't keep hiding your past behind Shakespeare and proper pronunciation. I don't mind if they get their asses kicked a little bit.
I'm really hoping you're being sarcastic. You know, with the whole Industrial Revolution thing and everything...
Not even a little. I'm not saying other people are innocent at all, but I have no sympathy for an empire that paved their way with the blood of indigenous people.

Cappa: Trust me.
And what about, like every other empire that has ever existed? The Spanish Empire, Roman Empire, Mongol Empire? Sure, the British Empire did some rather awful things, but next to almost any other, it was relatively peaceful, not to mention getting the world out of the late middle ages into the early modern era.
 

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book of negroes.

The document contains records on 3000 African Americans; the former slaves recorded in the Book of Negroes were evacuated to British North America, where they were settled in Nova Scotia. According to the Treaty of Paris (1783), the United States argued for the return of all property, including slaves. The British refused to return the slaves whom they had promised freedom during the war for joining their cause. The detailed records were created to document those freedmen whom the British resettled in Nova Scotia, along with other Loyalists.

In this im rather impressed the brits kept there end of the bargain.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
It's not so much that I dislike the British being painted in bad light, more like I dislike just how 'America fuck yeah!' the trailers have been so far.
That's the marketing for you. Maybe the game will be different. If the marketing is any different, the core consumers would "get offended" because Americans are getting slaughtered.
 

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Uh...
GiglameshSoulEater said:
Of course they will vilify the British. To be honest, it annoys me how the Americans describe British rule as something that was 'Slavery and tyranny'. I certainly expect an American developer to be making an American-centric game. Hell, they'll probably have the rebels as saints while the Redcoats burn children in churches, etc.

Edit: Its a french developer? Ye gods. I did not know that. I acknowledge my mistake, then, but as the primary market is American I still think vilification of the British is doubtlessly going to happen
A french developer... You know there are jokes about France vs. Britain still floating around right? Then there is the fact that France backed the revolution. This could turn into a biased situation very easily. But then again, it probably wont.