Poll: The Legend of Zelda....Why do you love or hate it?
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I put "Like it."
I was a hardcore Zelda fanboy for years upon years growing up. I've presently played every Zelda game Nintendo has made from start to finish. As I've grown into adulthood the series just doesn't hold the same appeal for me. Don't get me wrong, I still borrow/rent/wait-until-it's-really-cheap-and-buy each Zelda game as it comes out in order to play it, and I still look forward to new releases, but the series doesn't hold my adoration like it used to.
It seems to be me that with each new Zelda release, the "Zelda formula" gets thinner and thinner. Of course it could be that I've just played too much of it. Regardless, (EDIT: most of) my favorite Zelda games are the ones that don't have Ganon as the villain (Minish Cap, Majora's Mask, Link's Awakening) because killing that guy has just gotten really old.
I was a hardcore Zelda fanboy for years upon years growing up. I've presently played every Zelda game Nintendo has made from start to finish. As I've grown into adulthood the series just doesn't hold the same appeal for me. Don't get me wrong, I still borrow/rent/wait-until-it's-really-cheap-and-buy each Zelda game as it comes out in order to play it, and I still look forward to new releases, but the series doesn't hold my adoration like it used to.
It seems to be me that with each new Zelda release, the "Zelda formula" gets thinner and thinner. Of course it could be that I've just played too much of it. Regardless, (EDIT: most of) my favorite Zelda games are the ones that don't have Ganon as the villain (Minish Cap, Majora's Mask, Link's Awakening) because killing that guy has just gotten really old.
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I haven't played a Zelda game since Ocarina. I haven't beat a Zelda game since A Link to the Past. More honesty though: I have loved what I played. A Link to the Past is in my top 25 best games of all time and even though I have never beat it, Ocarina is... well, turns out it isn't even in my top 20 best N64 games but I did enjoy it. I'm not a fan but I'll absolutely admit that those two games, as well as the original 8-bit Zelda, are gems of gaming history.
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I haven't played a Zelda game since Ocarina. I haven't beat a Zelda game since A Link to the Past. More honesty though: I have loved what I played. A Link to the Past is in my top 25 best games of all time and even though I have never beat it, Ocarina is... well, turns out it isn't even in my top 20 best N64 games but I did enjoy it. I'm not a fan but I'll absolutely admit that those two games, as well as the original 8-bit Zelda, are gems of gaming history.
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Seriously though, I voted love. I think I'm now on my eighth playthrough of Twilight Princess alone, I've stopped counting for the others.
Zelda games have an odd sort of appeal. It's almost a high fantasy, but with a lot of very far-eastern themes bled into it. The world that Nintendo have created is masterfully done, far better than most other fantasy games you find these days (I'm looking at you Witcher), but the fact that they back it up with clever puzzles, properly challenging combat and a huge epic world full of secrets and little eccentricities just makes it all the more brilliant. The protagonist doesn't ruin every scene by talking, the villain is Machiavellian and actually quite cleverly done, the princess is not just a meek, expressionless lump of male fantasy and all of this is communicated using Nintendo's traditionally good quality gameplay and design. The major drawbacks are that the games tend to be a little formulaic (but that's Nintendo for you) and the chronology is quite hard to follow to the uninitiated.
Seriously though, I voted love. I think I'm now on my eighth playthrough of Twilight Princess alone, I've stopped counting for the others.
Zelda games have an odd sort of appeal. It's almost a high fantasy, but with a lot of very far-eastern themes bled into it. The world that Nintendo have created is masterfully done, far better than most other fantasy games you find these days (I'm looking at you Witcher), but the fact that they back it up with clever puzzles, properly challenging combat and a huge epic world full of secrets and little eccentricities just makes it all the more brilliant. The protagonist doesn't ruin every scene by talking, the villain is Machiavellian and actually quite cleverly done, the princess is not just a meek, expressionless lump of male fantasy and all of this is communicated using Nintendo's traditionally good quality gameplay and design. The major drawbacks are that the games tend to be a little formulaic (but that's Nintendo for you) and the chronology is quite hard to follow to the uninitiated.
Ocarina of Time was my first big gaming experience.
And at the time it was (and many people still think it is)"the best game ever". So I fell in love.
I don't think Nintendo ever inovated any on my beloved Zelda serries, but I still like the games.I like to save the princess. I like to defeat the big monsters with the fancy weapons. I love the music. And I like me the nostalgia and the memories of sneaking into the castle and meeting Zelda for the first time. So, I voted "I like". That will never change
btw, is this fallout from Spoonys thing?
And at the time it was (and many people still think it is)"the best game ever". So I fell in love.
I don't think Nintendo ever inovated any on my beloved Zelda serries, but I still like the games.I like to save the princess. I like to defeat the big monsters with the fancy weapons. I love the music. And I like me the nostalgia and the memories of sneaking into the castle and meeting Zelda for the first time. So, I voted "I like". That will never change
btw, is this fallout from Spoonys thing?
It's not so much the folk-tale influence or anything else like that which gets on my nerves: I understand if villains continuously return to plague the hero (Hell, Batman and the Joker are probably the best example of this i can think of from the top of my head: If the villain loses, retreats and swears vengeance..ok it can get a tad annoying, but i can live with it for it's basically what makes the show/game/etc). But..what gets annoying is when in games the 'big bad' is constantly killed and ressurected time and again, or brought back through contrived reason constantly to basically be the bad guy again. If i remember, Ganons been killed off more then once. This is something that bugs me is when villains don't stay dead after multiple 'deaths': An example of this is Palpatine in the Expanded universe of Star wars. He's basically brought back to life after what is, in my opinion, a fitting end to the character. Not only that, but by doing so it essentially makes all the previous effort in the first place to stop him useless and renders the sacrifice and redemption of darth vader ultimately pointless (As i said before, whats the point in fighting amd killing a villain if he's just going to bring himself back into existence somehow). Even the New doctor who series Daleks are an offender of this. Don't get me wrong, love the daleks, but it almost got to the point that them showing up for the 'finale' was almost routine and the doctor stopping them assured that it got rather predictable and boring. I'm actually glad they havn't showed up so far since the last series, gives us a chance to see some other stories and scenario'sJaime_Wolf said:
New villains can definitely be interesting, and they help keep things fresh. Not saying you need to do away with Ganon entirely but...would it be to hard to keep him out of it for maybe one or two games in light of a new threat, then maybe bring him back in a manner thats entirely unexpected slightly later on?
As for the final comments, you're basically saying i can't find some parts of the fanbase to be annoying? I just simply don't see what makes Link this big 'almighty demi-god' level character. Not saying he isn't skilled or anything, but..i just don't see what makes him 'unbeatable' is all. It's how i view all the people who think Naruto's unbeatable and how Edward Cullen is 'the bestest vampire evars!' That sort of stuff wears on the nerves of even the most thick-skinned of people over time, like Na'vi in orcarina of time! *ba-dum-tish*
To close, i just don't like it and i just don't see the appeal of the series or anything that really grabs me with it. I've given ocarina of time a go and i just didn't like it. That simple. As i said before, if you like the series that's fine and i certainly don't look down upon you for finding it enjoyable. But..it's just not my thing, and i don't think
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I love zelda, it's amazing, my favorite is Wind Waker then Twilight Princess then Majoras Mask then Ocarina of time then Spirit tracks then Phantom Hourglass
What I love so much about the series... I don't know it's just very fun to play
I love zelda, it's amazing, my favorite is Wind Waker then Twilight Princess then Majoras Mask then Ocarina of time then Spirit tracks then Phantom Hourglass
What I love so much about the series... I don't know it's just very fun to play
Always loved Legend of Zelda series, favourites are Link to the Past (which I still regularly play) and Wind Waker (both hold up really well, unlike Ocarina)
I don't love it or hate it, and while "Meh" isn't always an appropriate middle ground option, I find that it does fit in this instance. I've been playing the series since the first game and haven't missed very many along the way, but I'm just over it at this point. It's not so much that the plot is the same every game, it's the fact that the gameplay is. Even with the jump to 3D with OoT, nothing really changed in how the game works at it's core.
There's really been almost no evolution in the past 20+ years and it bugs me that both Nintendo and the series keep getting what I feel to be free passes when they keep releasing the same game every couple of years. And people complain about Madden being the same every year, or Halo/CoD being the same every outing (even though they've both been around much less time than Zelda).
There's really been almost no evolution in the past 20+ years and it bugs me that both Nintendo and the series keep getting what I feel to be free passes when they keep releasing the same game every couple of years. And people complain about Madden being the same every year, or Halo/CoD being the same every outing (even though they've both been around much less time than Zelda).
I seriously wanted to enjoy the Zelda games. But I normally just stopped playing after maybe 30 minutes because, well, I just got bored.
And of course if I got bored with Ocarina of Time, the claimed magnum opus of human creation, there is nothing I can gain from playing the others
But what really puts me off the Legend of Zelda series and pretty much most Nintendo games in general is the annoying repetition. People enjoyed Zelda games as children and feed off nostalgia the rest of their lives.
So essentially, I do not like the Zelda series because of its lack of evolution.
And of course if I got bored with Ocarina of Time, the claimed magnum opus of human creation, there is nothing I can gain from playing the others
But what really puts me off the Legend of Zelda series and pretty much most Nintendo games in general is the annoying repetition. People enjoyed Zelda games as children and feed off nostalgia the rest of their lives.
So essentially, I do not like the Zelda series because of its lack of evolution.
Your argument doesn't make sense. If the series were solely targeted towards a younger audience like you claim, then there would be no need to keep the series roughly congruent with each other since the 80's, kids have grown up since then, you said it yourself. Why then, would the Zelda series be using musical cues, references and gameplay mechanics from the earlier games that were in most instances released before most kids these days were even born. If the series were really targeted towards kids and kids only then I think it would make MORE attempts to change rather than less, because despite what you saying the contrary, I have found in my experience that kids get easily bored with things if they are too similar and that it is the older gaming audience that encourages game series' to stay within certain bounds.(all you need to do is look at the endless stream of rated T and M sequels for proof of that.VikingSteve said:
I think the truth of the matter is that Zelda is made with both old-school fans and newcomers to the series in mind as it's audience and I don't think it has much to do with age brackets.
As for me, I like the series...not as much as a lot of other people I know but I have found most Zelda games to be decent and fun, my favorites being Wind Waker and Majora's Mask.
To be fair, there have been several other villains in the games, though many of them have ended up backed by Ganon (it's hard to say who the big bad of the Oracles games is for instance since you only see Ganon if you play through one and do the New Game Plus thing on the other). A few simply have no mention of Ganon whatsoever.Infernai said:
That said, I don't think I was clear before. My point was that the issue with Ganon being defeated and returning is only a problem if you insist on imposing a continuity on the series. By virtually all accounts, that was not the intention - it's supposed to be a collection of folktales linked by common themes rather than by a common chronology (excluding the stories that are explicitly sequels). The developers never even talked about a continuity before the players started arguing about it on the internet and sort of laughed the idea off until very recently. More recently, it seems like the attitude has shifted to "it might be fun to make one since everyone seems to want one", but it's still clear that they don't take continuity seriously at all.
In this sense, Ganon isn't being resurrected each time (well, aside perhaps from the games where he is explicitly resurrected/freed from some Zero Dimension thing), they're just separate, similar stories. Even in the explicit cases of Ganon's return, he only really returns once in each case.
As for the fan-hate, I was more taking issue with your admitting that it was one of the things preventing you from enjoying the game. It's one thing to dislike the fans of something, but it's another to judge the thing itself by the fans. (Incidentally, Naruto fans are some of the most obnoxious on the planet and I avoided the show for years because of it. Having gotten over my hangups, it's actually surprisingly entertaining! (Twilight, on the other hand, is quite possibly worse than its fans.))
Also, I highly recommend giving Twilight Princess a try over Ocarina of Time which, while still good, hasn't held up as well over the years for people who didn't play it when it came out. Failing that, I think it may very well be impossible not to like A Link to the Past, which is a very, very different game if you've only ever played the 3D Zelda games.
Yeah I love Legend of Zelda since it's a classic tale of a chosen hero to save the day/ Princess. Sure this had been used over and over but it should be a reminder to the new generation (like how some classic Disney films is a must watch).
The game give you a sense of freedom by letting you roan about and dealing the side quest. Also the puzzle in the dungeon are great to tackle and the boss take some thinking on how to defeat as oppose to keep bashing it on the head.
The game give you a sense of freedom by letting you roan about and dealing the side quest. Also the puzzle in the dungeon are great to tackle and the boss take some thinking on how to defeat as oppose to keep bashing it on the head.
I must be the only Nintendo fan to dislike the Zelda games. I dunno. I tried playing them, but they never really clicked with me. Mario, Kirby and Donkey Kong still have a soft spot in my heart 10 years after I've played any of their games. Link? uh... not so much.
I'm a "meh" person when it comes to Zelda. I've played a little Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, and I played all of Twilight Princess. Though I enjoyed Twilight Princess, the franchise still doesn't really impress me. Always the same story and same idea, which can be good that its not really changing that much but its also fairly boring too. Whenever a new one comes out and people are fussing over it, I just shrug my shoulders and stop paying attention.