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ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.
=Charles Darwin
I love when people quote scientists outside their area of expertise. It's like getting an athlete to endorse McDonalds.
I love it when people don't realize that by providing a quote I'm actually helping such people like "ThrobbingEgo", especially when such a quote is obviously stating that "those with faith rather than knowledge will say that a problem can't be solved by science".


In closing, douchenozzle.
 

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Yeah but if I knew it was a commonly used tactic for converting people I wouldn't have used it in my "argument".
It's more of a rationalization for being religious.
 

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you still don't get it don't you!?
Disney World is not magic. That's just a statement - a fact. I'm not trying to ruin it for you. It's a cool place. I want to go back there some day.

Do we understand each other?
I understand you. But do you understand the concept of Disney's magic? In a technical way imagination is magic. So that's where it comes from. Now do we understand each other?
Okay, so long as you're not implying that imagination is magic.

I never said "make-believe bad." I'm just saying, if Disney could, they'd be the ones using real magic. Do you understand what I'm saying?
No I'm not saying imagination is real magic. But in a sense thats where disney gets it from............... OH OH OH seeing how we are talking about if disney really had magic go read Kingdom Keepers by Ridley Pearson. LOL if you do then look at the irony of all of this! XD
 

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Cliff_m85 said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.
=Charles Darwin
I love when people quote scientists outside their area of expertise. It's like getting an athlete to endorse McDonalds.
I love it when people don't realize that by providing a quote I'm actually helping such people like "ThrobbingEgo", especially when such a quote is obviously stating that "those with faith rather than knowledge will say that a problem can't be solved by science".


In closing, douchenozzle.
Huh? One, your quote seems like an attack on my certainty of no afterlife. Two, it is annoying - and a fallacy, when people quote famous thinkers outside their area of expertise. Even if it was meant to "help" me, it's still wrong.

And what's with the "douchnozzle" comment? It's not like I insulted your mother. Please, don't take logic personally.
 

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No I'm not saying imagination is real magic. But in a sense thats where disney gets it from............... OH OH OH seeing how we are talking about if disney really had magic go read Kingdom Keepers by Ridley Pearson. LOL if you do then look at the irony of all of this! XD
I kept responding to your quotes and I was wondering "why does this person think I hate everything Disney?"
 

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Cliff_m85 said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.
=Charles Darwin
I love when people quote scientists outside their area of expertise. It's like getting an athlete to endorse McDonalds.
I love it when people don't realize that by providing a quote I'm actually helping such people like "ThrobbingEgo", especially when such a quote is obviously stating that "those with faith rather than knowledge will say that a problem can't be solved by science".


In closing, douchenozzle.
I think he understood that. However, the same point still holds. Again, it would be like if he said that some athlete agreed with him. Granted, Darwin was more intelligent than most athletes, but outside his area of study, his word doesn't (or at least shouldn't) have much weight.
EDIT: Ninja'd.
 

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ThrobbingEgo said:
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No I'm not saying imagination is real magic. But in a sense thats where disney gets it from............... OH OH OH seeing how we are talking about if disney really had magic go read Kingdom Keepers by Ridley Pearson. LOL if you do then look at the irony of all of this! XD
I kept responding to your quotes and I was wondering "why does this person think I hate everything Disney?"
Because you are putting everything as if you don't get the fun of Disney's magic. I never said you hated Disney. it's just that you sounded like you never got the concept of it's magic. Also seriously read the book and you'll see the irony of this whole discussion XD
 

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"Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains."
-Robert G. Ingersoll


I think this quote sums it up nicely.
 

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ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.
=Charles Darwin
I love when people quote scientists outside their area of expertise. It's like getting an athlete to endorse McDonalds.
I love it when people don't realize that by providing a quote I'm actually helping such people like "ThrobbingEgo", especially when such a quote is obviously stating that "those with faith rather than knowledge will say that a problem can't be solved by science".


In closing, douchenozzle.
Huh? One, your quote seems like an attack on my certainty of no afterlife. Two, it is annoying - and a fallacy, when people quote famous thinkers outside their area of expertise. Even if it was meant to "help" me, it's still wrong.

And what's with the "douchnozzle" comment? It's not like I insulted your mother. Please, don't take logic personally.
"Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out."
-0p3rati0n

Add my quote to it after you just addressed him and you see my quote fit and wasn't attacking you.
 

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ThrobbingEgo said:
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Also seriously read the book and you'll see the irony of this whole discussion XD
I'll check it out.
Ok i don't know how old you are but just a fair warning if if your over 18 it's a 7th grade read But reeeeeeaaaaaalllllllllllyyyyyyy good! I just wish it became a movie and was just as popular as twilight and twilight would got knocked off ;)
 

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Cliff_m85 said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.
=Charles Darwin
I love when people quote scientists outside their area of expertise. It's like getting an athlete to endorse McDonalds.
I love it when people don't realize that by providing a quote I'm actually helping such people like "ThrobbingEgo", especially when such a quote is obviously stating that "those with faith rather than knowledge will say that a problem can't be solved by science".


In closing, douchenozzle.
Huh? One, your quote seems like an attack on my certainty of no afterlife. Two, it is annoying - and a fallacy, when people quote famous thinkers outside their area of expertise. Even if it was meant to "help" me, it's still wrong.

And what's with the "douchnozzle" comment? It's not like I insulted your mother. Please, don't take logic personally.
"Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out."
-0p3rati0n

Add my quote to it after you just addressed him and you see my quote fit and wasn't attacking you.
ROFLMFAO I can't believe you used me as a quote that's f***in hilarious XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
 

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0p3rati0n said:
Cliff_m85 said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.
=Charles Darwin
I love when people quote scientists outside their area of expertise. It's like getting an athlete to endorse McDonalds.
I love it when people don't realize that by providing a quote I'm actually helping such people like "ThrobbingEgo", especially when such a quote is obviously stating that "those with faith rather than knowledge will say that a problem can't be solved by science".


In closing, douchenozzle.
Huh? One, your quote seems like an attack on my certainty of no afterlife. Two, it is annoying - and a fallacy, when people quote famous thinkers outside their area of expertise. Even if it was meant to "help" me, it's still wrong.

And what's with the "douchnozzle" comment? It's not like I insulted your mother. Please, don't take logic personally.
"Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out."
-0p3rati0n

Add my quote to it after you just addressed him and you see my quote fit and wasn't attacking you.
ROFLMFAO I can't believe you used me as a quote that's f***in hilarious XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.
-Charles Darwin
 

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Cliff_m85 said:
Add my quote to it after you just addressed him and you see my quote fit and wasn't attacking you.
Oh noes? If you want to relegate god to smaller and smaller positions of authority and power, that's your prerogative. If you believe his contribution to the universe was gathering spacedust - all hail your mighty god. Besides, if your god created the spacedust, where'd this god come from?

You're just answering a question by introducing a bigger, more complicated one. And I don't believe it's even the right answer.
 

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Kukul said:
There is no supernatural.
Just because you can't find explaination for something, doesn't mean it happens against the laws of physics.
I've experienced some highly improbable coincidences and tricks played by my mind, but I was never dumb enough to call it "paranormal", "supernatural" or "magic".

Sorry for being such a buzz-kill.
Agreed.
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ok good so let me go on. Why do you think there is no outer power (aka GOD) I think you put god as a person more or less a power. God is infinity, side eight, etc. That's why "he" has always been there/ here. When I get the question why doesn't god help us with our problems. It's because he helps our inner straight. He can help externally. But that's only if you say it was him and his work.

Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out.

So work off that.
And the point of pushing your religious point of view on them is what, exactly?
But I can play that way too.
How did god come about?


The best you have is "He/she has always existed."
To borrow your question, "Okay, then how did that happen?"
Dead end.
Ta-da.
once again your putting god as a person thus he has to have a b-day. God is infinite, side eight, etc. That's why "he" has always been here. TA-DA right back ;P
 

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ThrobbingEgo said:
Cliff_m85 said:
Add my quote to it after you just addressed him and you see my quote fit and wasn't attacking you.
Oh noes? If you want to relegate god to smaller and smaller positions of authority and power, that's your prerogative. If you believe his contribution to the universe was gathering spacedust - all hail your mighty god. Besides, if your god created the spacedust, where'd this god come from?
Seeing how I'm an Atheist I don't see how I would want to even use god.


Cliff's Notes: The dude said "Scientists will never know _____", I use quote saying "Yaz they will 'tard, just give time k?" by Darwin, you got confused and thought I said "Goddidit".
 

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0p3rati0n said:
once again your putting god as a person thus he has to have a b-day. God is infinite, side eight, etc. That's why "he" has always been here. TA-DA right back ;P
So he's less "god" than "the sum of all the energy and matter" in the universe, right? That's, well, it doesn't explain anything - and it doesn't fit the definition of a supernatural agent. You're just nicknaming your science-fiction principle "god."

I don't mean to offend, but this is really all you've done. Also forgive me if this is what you were trying to say in the first place.
 

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0p3rati0n said:
Kukul said:
0p3rati0n said:
LimaBravo said:
Kukul said:
There is no supernatural.
Just because you can't find explaination for something, doesn't mean it happens against the laws of physics.
I've experienced some highly improbable coincidences and tricks played by my mind, but I was never dumb enough to call it "paranormal", "supernatural" or "magic".

Sorry for being such a buzz-kill.
Ditto
ok let me ask something before I go into something. Are you both atheist?
I am. And?
ok good so let me go on. Why do you think there is no outer power (aka GOD) I think you put god as a person more or less a power. God is infinity, side eight, etc. That's why "he" has always been there/ here. When I get the question why doesn't god help us with our problems. It's because he helps our inner straight. He can help externally. But that's only if you say it was him and his work.

Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out.

So work off that.
And I'll happily throw that argument back in your face: How did God happen?
 

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We seem to have gotten into a bit of a quote war. I'll throw in one from Socrates. "The most knowledgable men are those who know that they know very little."

I believe in the supernatural. Because we seem to have had some argument as to the definiton of that word, I'll clarify slighty. I don't believe in things that can't exist. By the same token, I believe in ghosts, aliens, bigfoot, magic, the lochness monster and anything that can make a halfway decent argument for itself. People who suggest that the things on that list can't be real because they don't follow the laws of physics or nature assume far too much about human understanding.

A good 98% of our universe is composed of dark matter. A substance we can't detect directly with any equipment known to man. We presume it's there because we need it to be there to make the math work and we can see the effects it has on gravity. But, for practical purposes, it's invisible, intangible and incorporeal.

Additionally, current scientific doctrine dictates the existence of at least 10 dimensions. These are, once again, invisible, intangible, incorporeal and beyond the reach of current scientific observation. We only presume their existence because we need them to be there for the math to work. Despite this, they are intrical to the underlying functioning of our universe and have countless affects on our everyday life.

In fact every scientist in this room who deserves the title will happily admit that what we are currently capable of observing and expaining with 100% certainty and accuracy accounts for less than 1% of our universe. And yet, how dare anyone have the gall to suggest that there are processes in nature science has not yet documented?

I would remind everyone here that the laws of physics are not the central unchallengable axioms of the unvierse and all its dimesions. We invented the laws of physics. They're usefull for explaining observable phenomina and justifying patterns but, again, I would remind that 99% of the universe and all it's dimensions are unobservable to humans. Therefore, saying something can't exist because it's contrary to the rules you set up in the infancy of your understanding is an extremely unstatisfying argument.

I'm not dissing science. Science is the best (and in most cases only) route to discovering truths. By the same token when it dissmisses ideas out of hand because they opposes it's pre-existing belief structure, it sure doesn't look like science anymore. It starts to look like a religion and, similiarly, it ceses to accomplish truely great things.

That's my opinion on the matter anyway. I completely believe in the supenatural (or perhaps better put as 'the unexplained') and I voted "Yes, but it doesn't bother me much".

(Oh, and just cause I can't help myself, ThrobbingEgo's assertion that magic isn't real because Disney hasn't monoploized on it is flawed logically. It'd circular logic. Why hasn't Disney monoploized on magic? Because it isn't real. How do you know it isn't real? Becuase disney hasn't monoplized on it. Ask yourself this, no one is producing hydrogen powered-cars. Does that mean there's no such thing as hydrogen?)
 

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i dont believe in the supernatural.


altho one morning i woke up and FELL. yea. after careful consideration on how does one fell ON the bed, instead of OFF the bed i realized i was floating a few inches above the bed. kinda creepy. i still dont believe in the supernatural, but that was freaky.