So... anyone who bought it gets grandfathered into a premium account. That isn't too bad. I honestly don't see how this would kill the game anyways. I think this is all just a bad case of fear of change. Nothing more than an overreaction.
Poll: The TF2 Insult
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About being upset you paid and now it's free, I understand if you bought the game recently, otherwise if you bought it ages ago and played it a lot, I would think the fun you've had was worth the money you spent. even with no hat involved.
On people who get it for free being a pain... Give it some time. Right now everyone might be getting it and trying it out, but later a lot of people will just go away. Some people actually did want to be serious players but never got around to buying the game for whatever reason, and now that it's free they can. Plus some people might be getting Steam just now, or next year, or whatever, they're not "lesser" players just because they got late to the party. Not everyone was around when it first came out after all.
On people who get it for free being a pain... Give it some time. Right now everyone might be getting it and trying it out, but later a lot of people will just go away. Some people actually did want to be serious players but never got around to buying the game for whatever reason, and now that it's free they can. Plus some people might be getting Steam just now, or next year, or whatever, they're not "lesser" players just because they got late to the party. Not everyone was around when it first came out after all.
NOPE!La Barata said:
Please.. Come off it! If you enjoyed the game as you stated you did, then the 20 or so dollars that you spent was well spent money. Don't get pissy just because they decided to go free to play with it. That sort of thing is to be expected when purchasing a game, that there might be a chance that it will drop in price, or in this case, drop it's price all together.
Your complaints about all these newcomers being trolls and griefers... The TF2 community wasn't all that shiny and golden to begin with, and it's silly to think otherwise. Not to mention, there are plenty of options that have been in the game for how long now that all of us pretty much know how to use effectively in removing players that are problem makers, and we all have been following the routine of finding a couple of servers that we can trust and know to be affective against problem causers and have a small server based community that we find appealing...
You're over reacting. Plain and simple. Even if all these people are simply wasting their time and hard drive space by installing this game just to be ass hats... They'll get bored of it within a week.
And to complain about only getting a hat. You spent $20 dollars on a game. Did it NOT bring you joy? Did Valve NOT give you tons upon tons of content and a multitude of patches... For free?
Those are other games, most likely from other companies. Not every game has to shower you with compensation gifts especially when valve has been very... VERY generous with TF2 in the first place. If you can't accept the hat, then I feel you are being greedy. If you think about it, Valve doesn't have to give you ANYTHING.
If you paid $20 and enjoyed the game upon the initial purchase of the title, then you should consider that money well spent. Simple as that. This goes to anyone else that is complaining that they paid for the game.
Not to mention, new players joining a game that you love should be a GOOD thing. This is a problem that just flat out sodding irritates me when it comes to gamers. "Oh they're new, I don't want them in my game," Or "Oh they suck, I don't want them in my game."
That's selfish and ignorant. It chases away new players, and makes those that aren't any good give up. If you have a game that you enjoy and happen to be good at, wouldn't you WANT to share your hobby with others? ESPECIALLY when 3/4's of the time it's a multiplayer game? This kind of attitude hinders the growth of not only the community within the game, but also the gaming community as a whole. There's a reason why we're seen as selfish children and it's because we all act like it in game. We can't seem to shake this concept that "Oh they don't know who I am, I can be a total ass hat and they can't do anything about it, even if they asked a total legit question. Psh, noobs always asking questions that anyone playing longer than a week would know... They need to leave because being helpful and expanding my community is too much to ask of me."
Noobs are good, in more ways than one, fresh meat to the grinder. No they're not all out to get you by trolling and griefing the server... Those trolls and griefers already had their place in TF2 society looooong before the company decided to go f2p with it.
I payed 20 dollars. I am in no way upset by this, because I feel the sacrifice of that $20 was well spent money for the enjoyment I got out of the game. Do you know how many old generation games I can find for free online and in various other sources that I personally paid full price for back when they were released? Obviously with websites popping up to make these games available again for a very low price this is becoming less of an issue, which is a good thing of course. It's nice to know I can pick up an old game I've wanted to play. That kind of availability is something I'd gladly pay money for, because I'd rather spend $5 to a trusted site than to risk getting a virus elsewhere. Heck, there are even games on these sites that are free or $5 that I paid the full initial price on. Does this anger me? NO
It happens.
For the next month of two, you're going to get a lot of shitty players on your team. That's the ONLY thing that is affecting you. Why should you care that it's free now? Find a server that isn't full of newbies, and you'll be fine.
Look at it this way. I don't know how long you've been playing TF2, but I've been playing for about a year now. I think the measly $20 I spent on the game was definitely worth the year of playing and the hundred items I've found in that time. Basically you payed 20 bucks to start playing the game LONG before anyone else, and with a game that's THIS GOOD, it was worth it.
Look at it this way. I don't know how long you've been playing TF2, but I've been playing for about a year now. I think the measly $20 I spent on the game was definitely worth the year of playing and the hundred items I've found in that time. Basically you payed 20 bucks to start playing the game LONG before anyone else, and with a game that's THIS GOOD, it was worth it.
Right after a couple of days of playing TF2 I can say that the so called veterans are bitter and evil creatures.They bunch up in a single team vs the noobies to farm stats.Sad to say I've got no items or a lot of playtime to be added in the exclusive bunch so if I want to stick around I should continue feeling welcomed.
PS:Brink did everything TF does but better.Har har.
PS:Brink did everything TF does but better.Har har.
People are over-reacting a being rather self-entitled. So the game went free to play and you bought it back when it was $20 (or whatever the price was for you). People who bought the game got to play it before all the new players that just got it. Some of these people got several years of gaming in with tons of free extra content added in later. I think that's worth the money.
So yeah, calm the fuck down and do your best to help out the noobies who are coming in. You never know, you might make a friend.
So yeah, calm the fuck down and do your best to help out the noobies who are coming in. You never know, you might make a friend.
I dunno... I only started playing TF2 yesterday, so yeah... I'm a F2P newbie too. But even I'm getting pissed off with the damned noobies.Hristo Tzonkov said:
I started playing a medic, in King of the Hill, figuring that one-point maps and heal-focused class would be easiest to learn in.
And, you know what? After:
- being left alone on the point repeatedly (to get raped by the other team's two heavies with pocket medics),
- adopting a heavy only to watch him chase after a scout (and not protecting me from the flamer behind us),
- getting sniped repeatedly (because our snipers are sniffing coke or whatever),
I feel perfectly justified in hating on the noobies who are ruining TF2.
I just feel sorry for the veterans, whose game has suddenly taken a nose-dive into the dungheap.
Oh yeah... and don't even get me started on the frustrations of finally finding a decent team only to get "balanced" the very next round onto the biggest, steamiest, turd-team you've ever had nightmares about. Repeatedly.
Please can I be on your team? Pretty please?Mannayz said:
I was playing it last night, like usual, and you know what? It was challenging. I don't know if the people I was playing with were new or not, but I was having a blast and everyone there was doing a good job. I was wondering what going free was going to do, and yes, there will be a small down side, but a lot of the people who just can't get ahold of it are going to stop playing it and give up. I'm not worried about hackers, Steam is good with stuff like that. One thing I did notice is it was running slow and I was getting some serious lag, but I think that was more my connection then theirs.
Yeah that happens to me toLawyer105 said:
r I supercharge someone and he just sits there looking at me.Thing is noobies are generally pitted in the same team.While it's wrong for me at least to start the game without doing all the tutorials that give me the basic run down of the classes,there's a lot of people who didn't do that and have no examples to follow.You can also add the fact that you insta die as you try to get out of cover and you really can't learn the game.So I ask the veterans,if you really want a bigger player base of people who actually know and want to play you should bear with us for a while.Although it was funny getting 6 headshots in a roll with the sniper and the veterans yelling that I'm a fucking noob who lucked
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n the balancing.I also wonder how does pitting oldest and newest players against each other work in a game that isn't an average shooter.Something is really wrong in the balancing I don't even understand how they snipe out who has hats and who does instantly as the game starts.
I just got TF2, I love it, though yes, I am one of those newbies, though it has more to do with lack of skill rather than lack of dedication. Just wait 1-2 weeks, and all the annoying, self-centered morons who don't bother to learn any other playstyle than free-for-all deathmatch will leave. (Training Mode!) I personaly think the F2P idea is better than paying 10-20 dollars, and then needing to buy more stuff. Battlefield Heros (not nearly as good) uses the same system, and it works fine. I just do not get the backpack, trading, crafting system.
Screw it, its just fun to burn things.
Screw it, its just fun to burn things.
"I'm mad because more people are ow enjoin my hobby" Relly dude? Get over yourself. More people having fun can only be considered a good thing
I'm sorry that so many newbies have been encountering experts who resent them. I'm happy to see new players, and hope you get better; I just hope you won't be like the newbies I've met and resent any advice.
Me: Hey Scout, just so you know; should really only use the baseball bat as a last resort. The scattergun is an awesome close-range weapon.
Scout: And we don't have to do what you say, bub.
Me: ???
Also, every time I try to use the coaching system for the new players, very few of them chat back to me, and sometimes immediately leave (they can definitely see my chat). Out of the many times I've tried coaching, only once have I legitimately helped someone for a short time.
In terms of team balancing: Unlike console games, TF2 does not automatically make up the teams for you. They may be scrambled if one wins far more than the other, but otherwise it's just whoever picks each.
Me: Hey Scout, just so you know; should really only use the baseball bat as a last resort. The scattergun is an awesome close-range weapon.
Scout: And we don't have to do what you say, bub.
Me: ???
Also, every time I try to use the coaching system for the new players, very few of them chat back to me, and sometimes immediately leave (they can definitely see my chat). Out of the many times I've tried coaching, only once have I legitimately helped someone for a short time.
In terms of team balancing: Unlike console games, TF2 does not automatically make up the teams for you. They may be scrambled if one wins far more than the other, but otherwise it's just whoever picks each.
I actually bought the game 5 days before it went free...lol...
In my first game ever I was MVP...I am an experienced FPS player (I have played pretty much every FPS ever, mostly quake2 & 3). The thing is TF2 is easy, it almost doesn't have a learning curve, even for noobs like myself. It doesn't really punish you for being a bad player...I'm not pissed when someone dominates me, because it's super fun. Don't get me wrong there are some masters there, but as far as I can tell this game is 90% about fun and 10% about skill.
I'm just gonna say I'm sad that I discovered it so late...I see I missed a lot of fun...
In my first game ever I was MVP...I am an experienced FPS player (I have played pretty much every FPS ever, mostly quake2 & 3). The thing is TF2 is easy, it almost doesn't have a learning curve, even for noobs like myself. It doesn't really punish you for being a bad player...I'm not pissed when someone dominates me, because it's super fun. Don't get me wrong there are some masters there, but as far as I can tell this game is 90% about fun and 10% about skill.
I'm just gonna say I'm sad that I discovered it so late...I see I missed a lot of fun...
I haven't read the whole thread, so this may have been said already.
We got plenty of compensation. We were able to play the game 4 years before anyone else could.
4 years.
We paid somewhere between 2.50 and 20 dollars for a game that Valve has updated for free at no additional cost. For 4 years.
OP, you seem to think that you're entitled to something. "How dare Valve open the game up to new people! I WANT THE GAME ALL TO MYSELF"
I for one enjoy coaching new players. I've been able to teach the newbies the finer points of the game, and at least 15 of the newbies I've talked to have upgraded to premium.
I thank Valve for increasing the playerbase, and for all the work they've put into this game.
We got plenty of compensation. We were able to play the game 4 years before anyone else could.
4 years.
We paid somewhere between 2.50 and 20 dollars for a game that Valve has updated for free at no additional cost. For 4 years.
OP, you seem to think that you're entitled to something. "How dare Valve open the game up to new people! I WANT THE GAME ALL TO MYSELF"
I for one enjoy coaching new players. I've been able to teach the newbies the finer points of the game, and at least 15 of the newbies I've talked to have upgraded to premium.
I thank Valve for increasing the playerbase, and for all the work they've put into this game.
Let me see ... It has been almost 4 years since TF2 came out ... Most of the game's fans are asking Valve for a TF3 ... So , really ... Isn't Valve getting TF2 into Free to Play a sign they are ( already or thinking about ) getting their hands into a new TF3 project?. Came on , use your Mathematical Logic skills ...
I'm not gonna read all 12 pages of this to check if this has been mentioned before, but there's a server plugin which will auto-kick anyone without a premium account. So if you really can't stand the f2p guys, then just find one of those servers and be happy.
