Poll: Thought experiment: What if homosexuality COULD be "cured" medically?
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It is completely optional. If someone who is gay wants to go in and get that done, knock yourself out. Even though its not a disorder, some people might just not want to live with it anymore.
However, the problem with this is that it might just cause more pressure from society on gays to be straight. I don't like the idea of people being pressured to take pills to make them "normal".
However, the problem with this is that it might just cause more pressure from society on gays to be straight. I don't like the idea of people being pressured to take pills to make them "normal".
Some people would hate it, some people would love it, others wouldn't care. I'm in the latter. It's up to the gay person themselves if they want to change their sexuality.
"No real side effects" Except for a complete change in identity. For a lot of people being gay is a huge part of who they are, and for anyone sexuality is a very important aspect of identity.
Not to mention that it would validate everyone out there who hates gays. It's hard enough to get it legal in many countries, there's still places out there that make chemical castration and "rape therapy" the penalty for being gay. This "cure" would just be used in it's place to force gays to fit the norm.
I can see plenty of people on this side of the world who would use this cure on their own family members, against their will. Who would ever come out if they thought they'd be drugged and be completely changed by their own parents.
Also, I think the thread puts a target on homosexuals as if it needs to be cured. I'm not saying that's what you think, but I think if this is a thought experiment why not apply it to everyone? What if everyone was able to choose their sexual orientation?
Not to mention that it would validate everyone out there who hates gays. It's hard enough to get it legal in many countries, there's still places out there that make chemical castration and "rape therapy" the penalty for being gay. This "cure" would just be used in it's place to force gays to fit the norm.
I can see plenty of people on this side of the world who would use this cure on their own family members, against their will. Who would ever come out if they thought they'd be drugged and be completely changed by their own parents.
Also, I think the thread puts a target on homosexuals as if it needs to be cured. I'm not saying that's what you think, but I think if this is a thought experiment why not apply it to everyone? What if everyone was able to choose their sexual orientation?
"You take the cure, or you die!" is what 90% of the homophobes would say, I frankly don't find homosexuals in any way offensive, they're just regular people with a fetish, seriously, that's what I see homosexuality as, it's no different when a guy (Or girl) is turned on my another guy (Or girl) than when a man (or girl) is turned on by feet, or furries, or what have you. This isn't some kind of contagious plague that threatens to wipe out humanity, it's a group of people with a fetish that some people find weird, I for one find people with a Vore fetish WAY more offensive, ugh...
Even if it was a quality I disliked ( like say I disliked being gay ) I still wouldn't agree to it. Who would grow up with a part of themselves, just to get rid of it when they become a certain age? No matter how insignificant sexual orientation really matters in someone's personality, you would never be the same person again.
If we can have operations for those who want to change their gender, I don't see why we can't provide the same thing for those who want to change their orientation assuming we can develop such a thing.
It should NOT, however, be mandatory. It should be the person's choice.
Personally I'd rather not see any gay person sign up for it in the hope that they can be "cured", I think the leap we really need to take in our culture is for gays to be afforded all the rights that everybody else has and we wouldn't need orientation-changing technology at all. But what I do support is the person's RIGHT to choose such an operation if that's what they want.
I'd rather no gay person going through with such a procedure, but who am I to make that decision for them?
It should NOT, however, be mandatory. It should be the person's choice.
Personally I'd rather not see any gay person sign up for it in the hope that they can be "cured", I think the leap we really need to take in our culture is for gays to be afforded all the rights that everybody else has and we wouldn't need orientation-changing technology at all. But what I do support is the person's RIGHT to choose such an operation if that's what they want.
I'd rather no gay person going through with such a procedure, but who am I to make that decision for them?
Reverse it. What if there was cure to being straight, would you take it? The only option is that you take the cure as you please.Jonluw said:
This isn't open for discussion all that much; whether you support it or not, it isn't your choice to make. When will people understand this simple principle?
It would be great for use in prisons, I mean if I were sent to prison I would hope that there was none of that.
That would mean people could be infected. I would "infect" all the people who are insanly anti-gay. I mean people are people, you can't lose that quality unless you do some horrible stuff.
Think of the fun though go to a gay hate group put a dose of gay in the drinks and walk out. maybe add something to make them horny too. I am a bad person. gonna go rock out at some kkk party.
Overall people have their sexuality as long as they can take a hint that I am not worth hitting on fine by me.
Think of the fun though go to a gay hate group put a dose of gay in the drinks and walk out. maybe add something to make them horny too. I am a bad person. gonna go rock out at some kkk party.
Overall people have their sexuality as long as they can take a hint that I am not worth hitting on fine by me.
I'll change your argument into something else so you can see how silly it is:Jack the Potato said:
"This is just a hypothetical scenario in which say, scientists have discovered liking the colour red is caused by some sort of chemical brain chi something or other and they've developed a pill that could make people who like the colour red, stop liking the colour red. First, would you support it if it were utterly painless with no real side-effects? Second, what do you think the reaction would be from the masses? The community that likes the colour red? Please try and keep discussion civil."
Am I trivializing a person's sexual preference by comparing it to whether you like the colour red or not? Probably.
Does this thought experiment have any real value? Nope.
The only things that can be "cured" are things that are not meant to be, problems, infections, illnesses, etc.
There is nothing wrong with homosexual people, it is just their own preference. Even suggesting that it is something that could be potentially cured is pretty offensive. Even if you add "I am not a freaky fish guy!" it is still offensive.
two things
1. Im sure some gay people would take it..but some wouldnt..I mean being gay can have alot of other lifestyle factors good and bad (no problems with contraception)
2. however some would REALLY struggle with it..they dont mind being gay but the social preasure would be there...it would become a "choice" and therefore some people would use that Idea as justification for dicrimination "why dont you just be like everyone else you FAG?!"
gayness does not affect anyone negativly,
and FORCING peopel to take drugs to change themselfs? for sotmhing relitivly harmless?? FUCK NO
to me thats like saying shy people are defective and should take drugs to put them in a perminant state of outgoing-ness
1. Im sure some gay people would take it..but some wouldnt..I mean being gay can have alot of other lifestyle factors good and bad (no problems with contraception)
2. however some would REALLY struggle with it..they dont mind being gay but the social preasure would be there...it would become a "choice" and therefore some people would use that Idea as justification for dicrimination "why dont you just be like everyone else you FAG?!"
...?DeadSp8s said:
gayness does not affect anyone negativly,
and FORCING peopel to take drugs to change themselfs? for sotmhing relitivly harmless?? FUCK NO
to me thats like saying shy people are defective and should take drugs to put them in a perminant state of outgoing-ness
I'd be curious as to how such a cure would work. To me sexual identity is pretty ingrained in someone once they've come to grips with it. This kind of treatment seems like behavioral modification on a deep level. Imagine using a cure to adjust other aspects of who we are. I think the majority (in this case would be heterosexuals) would pressure the minority to conform to their norms and see this as a solution. I think we should focus more on understanding and respecting others than wishing to mold us all into a singular homogeneous form.
I would support it, insofar as it's up to the individual to make that decision themselves. The only people who's sexual orientation anyone has any business caring about are those they are fucking.
Anyone who says otherwise is demonstrably wrong. It doesn't matter what orientation someone is, it's completely irrelevant in 98% of cases and in the other 2% it's, at worst, a side question.
Sexual orientation is an utterly meaningless facet of an individual, and we really need to stop making such a big deal out of it.
That said, you did bring up a good point. This thread is kinda silly since it's focused on a "gay" cure. It would be far more sensible to be "if anyone could choose their sexual orientation".
Anyone who says otherwise is demonstrably wrong. It doesn't matter what orientation someone is, it's completely irrelevant in 98% of cases and in the other 2% it's, at worst, a side question.
Quick question: Why does "being gay" have any impact on self-image or identity? What you like to have sex with has no impact on anything but what you have sex with. The simple fact that you place enough importance on being gay to make it part of your identity is part of the problem to begin with.Sporky111 said:
Sexual orientation is an utterly meaningless facet of an individual, and we really need to stop making such a big deal out of it.
That said, you did bring up a good point. This thread is kinda silly since it's focused on a "gay" cure. It would be far more sensible to be "if anyone could choose their sexual orientation".
being deaf is a serious disabiltyKendarik said:
being gay? how is that any worse than say..being turned on by bondage or robots or feet? should we "cure" those people too because god forbid what people get up to in their bedrooms should be of great concerin to us "normal" people