Poll: Tolerance of other's opinions

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PeterMerkin69

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Good thread, I've been meaning to start a topic similar to this one for a while. I'm an overcritical asshole, and when I discuss media with people, they always take an antagonistic approach to arguing back. I never really understood why, because I'm criticizing something that someone else made, and yet the people who like it respond with personal attacks against me, as if I've personally insulted them. Or they dismiss me as a troll if I don't like what they like. Then, I read some game reviewer's blog, I forget whose it was now, but apparently he has a strong anti-fan following, with the shit-huskers of the gaming community following his posts solely to condemn him in the comments section, and I had a hate-epiphany: these imbeciles actually are devoted to the entertainment they consume. They think it's a part of who they are, that it's a part of them, and take every nasty word said about something that isn't them, personally. Which is hilariously pathetic, of course. I'm beginning to sympathize with developers who misuse the word "entitled" when describing their fans.

Identity.
Have we forgotten Fight Club already? ?You are not your job, you're not how much money you have in the bank. You are not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You are not your fucking khakis. I agree wholeheartedly, but maybe for different reasons as the author--I am not a gamer. I am not a cinema nerd. I am not a comic geek. Rather, I am an amalgamation of all of these things, and more, with these subculture designators being relegated to hashtag keywords on the twitter post of my persona. Look, world, I'm Dick Wig Sixty-Nine, #gamer #archer #lover #hater #goodwithanimals #greatcook #masterdebaterslashmastermasturbator. While they do describe things I like, or little fragments of me, I'm not just those things; those things are those things, separate and distinct, from me. Moreover, your opinion of them has absolutely no bearing over my ability to enjoy them except, of course, if they really aren't very good, and I simply didn't notice it until someone pointed it out to me. Which, unless I'm overly concerned with external opinions of me, shouldn't really matter.

Is that it, then? Were they willing participants in blissful ignorance, and now that I've robbed them of their ignorance, the seen will never be unseen? Or are they so worried with about what other, random people think of them that it overpowers their own ability to think for themselves? Is it some bizarre(to me) emotional reaction to an attack on an inanimate object with which they've bonded emotionally, and when I insult it it's tantamount to spitting on their wife? I still don't know all the particulars, just that they actually do take it seriously, a phenomenon with which I simply cannot relate on any level.

For the sake of this thread's poll, I chose to argue with them, because I like arguing. It's a very productive pastime, actually. You learn a little more about them, they learn a little more about you. Maybe they have good reasons for liking or disliking something that you're missing--I'm always open to that possibility, simply by virtue of different people responding differently to the same stimuli due to various deviations in personality. Echo chamber cranks are one step removed from the Unibomber, so I do my best to be a well-rounded crank. So, for that reason alone, I chose "argue with them." But, at the end of the day, I really don't care whether or not they like what I like. Unless it somehow deprives me of it, then it's fightin' time.
 

teqrevisited

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I wouldn't care. I might ask why but I'm not going to go on a crusade and demand that they appreciate the things I like.

If they just say "Oh it's shit" without backing it up or explaining why they think that then it's not worth the effort and at that point I just think "Opinion is opinion" and leave it at that.
 
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I would find out why.

After discussing it, I predict the same thing would happen in nearly every difference of opinion: We would come to the conclusion that some aspect of the game requires a certain taste my friend doesn't have.

Now in terms of the title.... WOO BOY. I don't do well with opposing opinions. ESPECIALLY religious ones. The only time I've experienced mod wrath was from a disagreement over religion.
 

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Mrkillhappy said:
I wouldn't care that much so long as they could give reasons why they didn't like it.
Indeed.

If somebody doesn't like it and they can give honest reasons as to why, I can happily accept that it's a matter of differing tastes.

It's when people say idiotic things such as "Halo has the worst graphics EVAH?!!?!" that I start to get irritated. I still don't get into arguments about it, because I know how it will end, but I am more inclined to stop taking them seriously.
 

Hasido

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By default I wouldn't care, but if I were in the mood to argue, was bored, or had nothing better to do, then I might argue with them, even if just get understand their point of view.
 

Catie Caraco

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I chose "avoid them" for the poll, because I generally don't like being around the sort of person who is going to rain on my parade. However, I guess it really depends on the situation and the person. I love Final Fantasy Tactics to it's core, I love everything about it, even, at this point (having spent so much of my formative years playing it) it's poor English translation, it's glitches, all of it's faults. However, my boyfriend has never played it, and after watching my roommate perform HORRIBLY at the first few fights (mainly due to forgetting some of the gameplay and then trying to "man mode it" when he forgot to buy potions, and also trying to do the Dorter Trade City fight WAAAAAY to early) my boyfriend dismissed the game entirely. "It just seems like a lot of pointless micromanaging, and it takes too long." This I am easily able to shrug off. It doesn't bother me that he doesn't like it, because it has no effect on our relationship. His style of games and my style of games doesn't often overlap. But that doesn't really seem to matter, there are a few games we'll play together, and in the end we're both gamers.

In cases other than my boyfriend, it depends on how they react to my liking of the game. If they're just like "shmeh, not my thing," then I will be shmeh along with them. If they are obnoxious about it, I'll avoid them. If I think they might be swayed with a little bit of argument, I might try it. Overall though, people not liking something I like isn't going to make me like it any less, so it's not a problem.
 

ninjaRiv

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I'd like to know why they think these things but other than that, I wouldn't care. I have been accused of arguing because I ask too many questions, though.
 

Giyguy

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as long as i get to say "I appreciate that you have an opinion, but I have my own opinion, so fuck off." or some politer variation as called for.

I will also respect someone else's opinion as long as the result of that opinion does not physically harm someone who is unwilling to be harmed.
 

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Honestly, I think I'd be a little upset, but not enough to affect my relationship with them. Different people like different things, but I am the sort of person to want to share something I find wonderful.
 

Assassin Xaero

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I wouldn't care. I can actually understand that people have different opinions. Though, if someone goes on constantly trashing a game based on what someone on youtube said, when they have never even played it, I get annoyed. If you want to trash talk a game, actually try it for yourself, first.
 

BloatedGuppy

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If they are thoughtful in their criticism, I will happily discuss the issue with them. Perhaps I might even share or understand some of their criticisms. I may not ultimately share their opinion of the game, but I have no issue with people analyzing or critiquing things that I love.

If they are vehement or hyperbolic in their criticism, I will attempt to reason with them and see if I can't soften their perspective. I dislike hyperbolic assertions, especially when they are presented as facts. And don't give me the "everything I write is my opinion" nonsense, there's a way to state an opinion, and there's a way to state a fact. If you're doing the latter, it's because you want your opinions to appear as writ. Don't act like you don't know what you're doing.

If a friendly accord cannot be reached, I will usually begin critiquing their arguments. At which point one of two things happens.

5% of the time the person will say "I was being a little over the top, but it's just how I feel", and we will agree to disagree.

95% of the time the person will start a flame war.

I have to admit, I don't understand the "I don't care" option. I know it's appealingly bad ass to appear as though you are forever above the fray, but why the fuck are you on a gaming forum discussing games if you genuinely "do not care" about the opinions or input of others? I can understand not letting it ruin your day or work you into a lather. But surely you care enough to TALK about it. Otherwise why enter the conversation in the first place?
 

Adept Mechanicus

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I wouldn't get angry about it. I'd have a reasoned discussion, but not too reasoned, because I got places to be. If it goes on for longer than 5-10 minutes and I've exhausted all my usual points, I'd move on to something else.
 

Yopaz

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tippy2k2 said:
Fuck, I could name my favorite video games (not an exclusive list here; just the games that get people going) and get that exact reaction.

Here's a list! Feel free to rage about it:

-Call of Duty Black Ops II (really any of them can go here)
-Battlefield 3
-Madden
-FIFA
-Mass Effect 3 ending
-Dragon Age 2

My reaction:

I suppose I would tell them why I think X is great but I really don't care all that much if they don't like the game. I forgive them; not everyone can be as awesome as I am.
Your taste sucks and you should feel bad for liking those crappy games. You are what's wrong with the game industry and you will eventually be the cause of a thousands supernovas at the same time ruining all life in the universe.

Yeah, I went really overboard to make my sarcasm clear there... I agree with your post. Someone doesn't like a game I like. Well, that's a shame, I had really fun with it and I wish others would enjoy it the way I did.

Let's say I did care what people thought about the games I liked. Well, I tend to like JRPGS and I enjoy some of the new Mario games (not all mind). Being a frequent poster on this site I would give myself a seizure trying to keep up with all the criticism those games are getting. Now I actually agree with the criticism those games are getting more often than not, I just happen to like the games despite their flaws.
 

SweetLiquidSnake

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I personally wouldn't care as I don't get worked up about this but from my last post I can clearly see that some people like to stew and get physically mad when other people's opinion differ from theirs. It's a game people, not that big a deal.
 

Raikas

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I don't care - I might not take their recommendations seriously in the future, but otherwise it doesn't matter at all.

That said though:

Strazdas said:
however if he is going around "omg this game sucks because ponies"
This is my exception too. If someone thinks a game is terrible because it doesn't have a certain feature or didn't hit certain plot points and it actually does - so they either missed it by playing a branching game differently or stopped playing before they got to it - then I tend to respond to that, because their opinion in those cases isn't based on matters of taste, it's based on an absence of information.
 

Not Matt

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I would argue, i am a very argumentative person, some times I argue just for the sake of arguing, because arguing is fun. you learn so much about a person by the arguments they make while arguing. if you where to argue that this is stu........ok I'll stop saying argue but if you think my argument is stupid I'd be happy to argue about it.


all jokes aside. i will try and make one a debate out if it just for fun. it is an easy topic to talk about
 

Ishal

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I don't care if their opinions differ from mine. If people wish to discuss them amiably and sincerely, fine. But all to often I get dragged into snarky and sarcastic arguments that just turn me off completely. At which point, I'm done.

Like someone else said earlier, I've been ostracized for far less than videogames. Also, my taste in games could be called quite esoteric when put in comparison with my IRL friend's tastes. So naturally there is conflict. I usually just don't bring it up since I know it could spark a pointless argument.

Honestly I don't care if someone hates my opinion, or hates me for my opinion(s). It does bother me if they are misinformed about what they hate. I've been on this ride many many times. With my interest in the metal music genre, my dislike of team sports, and most recently my interest in MLP. If people want to disagree with me they should at least know what they hate.
 

fezgod

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I feel like I'm the person who usually ends up calling a videogame that someone else likes "garbage," so I don't really care if someone has a negative opinion on a game that I like. But then again, this only applies if I'm good friends with the person I'm talking to.