Poll: Transhumanism: How Far Would You Take It?

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Lightknight

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synobal said:
Lightknight said:
Anything over 2 and I might as well go all the way.
Go Post Human with me, we will be great cosmic beings with intellects spanning the galaxy.
Well, I have to be smart about it. The longer I wait, the better the initial version and features of the body I use. If I went full post human first generation I may only have dial up without the ability to upgrade...

I like the idea of having a regular brain "backup" so that if I ever do kick it I can just be restored to the robotic body.
 

synobal

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Lightknight said:
synobal said:
Lightknight said:
Anything over 2 and I might as well go all the way.
Go Post Human with me, we will be great cosmic beings with intellects spanning the galaxy.
Well, I have to be smart about it. The longer I wait, the better the initial version and features of the body I use. If I went full post human first generation I may only have dial up without the ability to upgrade...

I like the idea of having a regular brain "backup" so that if I ever do kick it I can just be restored to the robotic body.
Hey you can always go back to meat, there is no rule that say you can't, just look at the Ancients from Stargate, a few of them went back to a meat body after the ascended.
 

Exius Xavarus

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I'd go with minor augmentation. I wouldn't mind cybernetic implants that made my vision better or made my memory better. I don't particularly care about anything else but I have awful, awful vision(not exactly blind, but I need very high prescription glasses/contacts) and I'm extremely forgetful with a terrible memory. If I could fix those, you can bet your shiny hiney I'd be all over those augmentations.
 

Schmeiser

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Pure for me, i believe that even if you replace something minor on yourself you change in a way. Yes it would be cool to lift 10000 tons with your bionic arms but i'll pass. I wouldn't be against it tho, it's your choice. Only thing i would never like is gene altering pre birth, i don't want every person to be tall black handsome with blue eyes. I want some individualism in the world(i'm positive that's not even a term but you get it). But i have a few questions, if you replace your body with some electronic technology how vulnerable would you be to hacking or stuff like that? I mean i see a lot of negative repercussions if you augment your body.

P.S. theres acid for a lot of stuff some people posted here or just meditation :)
 

NSGrendel

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None of the initial options mention what would become of my penis or my capacity to take drugs, assuming I maintained some degree of biological substrate. So I can't really comment.
 

Zakarath

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6 is the only way to become something approaching immortal, so I'll be going with that... eventually. I'd like to spend most of my mortal life somewhere around 2-3 (Just nothing that would compromise my taste buds. Good food is too high up on my list of the pleasures in life for me to throw it away), and then only switch over to 6 once I start approaching the time my brain would otherwise start to deteriorate.
 

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I've got with option 3.

I'd replace a limb or three; I quite like the idea of leaving myself one human arm for sentimental reasons.

Could get that stomach replaced by something a little shinier.
 

Heronblade

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Schmeiser said:
But i have a few questions, if you replace your body with some electronic technology how vulnerable would you be to hacking or stuff like that? I mean i see a lot of negative repercussions if you augment your body.
Depends. Some configurations would be extremely vulnerable, namely those with wireless data connections that have a path to root files. Most of us are a bit smarter than that however. With the setups I envision, only direct physical access to a port would allow for access to the important files, and even then, hackers would have a tough time getting past the other countermeasures. This would include defenses aside from the traditional firewalls. For instance, it would be child's play to require that the user be conscious and stress free before write permissions can be granted.

NSGrendel said:
None of the initial options mention what would become of my penis or my capacity to take drugs, assuming I maintained some degree of biological substrate. So I can't really comment.
Keeping to the important things?

Regardless, almost certainly nothing you don't ask for. Don't get something that filters toxins and drugs will work fine, and all your genitals need to work properly is blood. Heck, get an artificial heart and your blood pressure is easier to maintain.
 

The_Echo

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Would a full body augmentation mean I never have to eat or use the bathroom ever again?

'Cause that's totally worth it.
 

Belaam

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Hey, why can't I upload my brain?!

I'm done breeding, from a genetic standpoint, I'm done, why not mess around with what we've got. I'd pretty much be up for any of the above, but would be more inclined to be a test case for cybernetic implants/google glass corneas/etc. than genetic modification. Still up for genetic modification, but not as the first few people trying it out.
 

Oliver Cuenca

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I'm going to go with minor augmentation, or at least non-intrusive like JC Denton. I just want to have the amazing powers, I don't want to draw attention to myself, and I'm kinda uncomfortable with the idea of losing limbs and being effectively cripples if I have to give up the augmentations because I can't afford to pay for Neuropozyne anymore. :)I wanna feel like a cybernetic sorcerer, able to conjure fire from my fingers, and have brain power able to handle any natural or un-natural disaster. :D
 

IamLEAM1983

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I'd go for the second option. Convenience is one thing, abandoning my limitations is another. I think I, as a human, am unable to do certain things on a physical level for a reason. Being forced to fail, to fall, to injure yourself and to regret certain attempts teaches you humility, and I'm almost afraid to consider what I'd become if you somehow put me off to the hook, in terms of standard human limitations.

I'm saying this based on the fact that not everyone tends to act nobly, when confronted with the ability to seize power. The posters joking about getting complete Eldritch replacements and basically turning into a sentient supercomputer thingy are what would honestly bother me, if this were a real possibility.
 

Fleaman

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Option 6. Everything must go.

If the objective is longevity, a robot body doesn't go far enough. If the solution doesn't prevent Alzheimer's, then it's no solution at all.
 

FalloutJack

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I'm actually looking forward to option five. We'll discuss further mutations later.
 

Scarim Coral

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Option 2 sound ideal for me, being a better version myself (I would go with better eyes and have more strength) without needing to removed any of my original organ or major changing to it.
 

krazykidd

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After playing xenosaga , and meeting ziggarat 8 ( ziggy) , i prefer to be pure squishy killable human . Dying ain't so bad.
 

Dedtoo

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I'll start at 2, but if/as my body starts failing I would probably be up for some spare parts. Hands no longer able to grasp stuff? New, shiny ones!
Heart no longer beating properly? New, heat powered one!
Brain starting to have memory problems? I'm already forgetful, so gimme!
 

Pebkio

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Technically I'd go for option five but with a very large asterisk: I don't care about physical augmentation. In fact, leave my body all weak and pudgy because being physically awesome doesn't really matter in a world in which we have that kind of technology. In other would, that kind of nonsense is for macho meathead douchenozzles.

I wouldn't go for option six though because I'm heavily addicted to being an introvert and would like to unplug when too many people get uppity.

Basically, I'd want more memory space with a built in manager for clearer access to those memories and the option for some editing. The ability to access the globat connection of information and communication would also be required. I'd only need limited AR so my eyes wouldn't have to be modified, the programing could just layer information over the things I see. But yes, I'd then also, probably, have my nervous system altered to that I can control the intesity of my senses. I'd like to be able to turn any of those senses as well. Most of my wanted changes would be internal, not external, and wouldn't, in any way, make me a better fighter/laborer.
 

Voulan

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Heronblade said:
Voulan said:
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We've evolved as much as we'll ever need to, what's the need to have even more? The human body has been more than capable ever since our existence.
Correction, the human body has been sort of capable, with a boatload of help from technology, of surviving the challenges we have faced so far. A lot of our own have unnecessarily died in the process, and are continuing to die in dealing with the challenges we have yet to overcome.

I suppose you could be content with the bodycount, and just hope life doesn't throw us a bigger curveball than usual. I prefer to take the long view however. For instance, the odds of us ever getting off of this rock go up by several factors of ten if the right bodily modifications are available to those who need them.

Much the same holds true when dealing with problems such as AIDS, cancer, and Alzheimer's. Perhaps you should explain to some of the cancer patients out there about how their body is working just fine in spite of the fact that their own cellular structure is going rogue and painfully killing them.
I'm talking limb modifications, as I clearly said in the first post, not cancer research. In which case, what you mean there is medicinal progress, not technoligical modifications. And what on earth more "challenges yet to overcome" are you seeing? Unless you're meaning man-made disasters like war, which could involve technology itself, then I don't really see the necessity to have a camera in your eyes. We're becoming far too reliant on technology.

But seriously, giving myself mechanical hands just because my hands are somehow not good enough anymore (which they completely are) is a waste of time and money. But this is all hypothetical anyway.
You don't get it do you? Cybernetic augmentation is a direct result of biomedical research, the two are one and the same. The first and foremost reason for cybernetics is in terms of fixing medical problems such as blindness or muscular dystrophy. The fact that it can be used for so much more is just a bonus.

In addition, there are only two methods on the table to reliably cure/prevent cancer, heavy genetic modification, or cybernetic modification. There is no other prospective method that has a good chance of reliably solving our body's tendency to turn cannibal on us.

As for the rest, speaking as someone who tinkers often, my hands have never been good enough. Not nearly enough precision and too little grip among other things. I can indeed counter some of these problems if I have the perfect tool for the task at hand, but that approach requires multiple times my body mass in specialized equipment, much of which is awkward and slow to use. The right tool also never seems to be around when needed.

And as for my eyes, every couple of days I get up and jam bits of polymer onto them. I do this because I (for some incredibly weird reason) don't like wandering around in a mostly blind haze as nature apparently intended. I can also tell you that even with perfect vision, we are all missing out. There is an incredible world out there that we will never see for ourselves, simply because a low quality nonadjustable camera feed covering less than 3.5x10^-26%, or 0.0000000000000000000000000035% of the light spectrum was "good enough" for our evolutionary path.
That's getting creepily into the very territory Deus Ex explores as a central theme. The title is Latin for "god of the machine" which refers directly to the terrible endings of ancient Greek plays where a god played by an actor would be lowered onto the stage by a machine and would solve all the problems in one go; but if we take the term literally, as the game does, it refers to the almost worship-like view people have of technology. They wish to turn themselves into gods through machine implants, and view technology as a god-like entity capable of perfecting people. Wanting to be perfect and spurning the natural body is exactly that. It is hardly more worse than other animal bodies, but because people have this bizarre desire for constant progression and domination of nature (and the subversive self, and here the whole mind/body split debate comes in), being human is no longer good enough. Which in turn opens up a whole debate about the fear of devolution or being taken over by another species, and the body being seen as basic and instinctive, animal and driven by emotions, which is an extremely old fashioned view.

Anyway, this very debate is ongoing constantly. I still stand by the 'only when I am in desperate need of assistance' view; my daily grind hardly requires beyond-necessary vision to go to a supermarket or something. It's also a fear of identity, really. Are you human if you don't have human parts? Is being a human a bad thing? If my body is composed of parts created by corporations that can power off my body due to bad security or monetary issues, then who has the real right of ownership of myself? Where am I in this machine? Better to just stick with what you know to not have that kind of horrible confusion.