Your school's a fair bit more forgiving than mine, be grateful for that.
I say, screw uniforms. It makes everyone look like sheep.
I say, screw uniforms. It makes everyone look like sheep.
Poll: "Uniforms" in public school
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And this is every reason I loved the uniform. So long as I showed up wearing something blue with khakis on, the teachers didn't give a toss if it was part of the uniform or not. They were also nice because, given my area, it was one less thing the preps/jocks/elitist fuckwads could make fun of you for.justnotcricket said:
I'm not helping myself because I don't want to spend more time on this argument, but I'll just say this, if everyone made an effort to socially be more open-minded and understanding and to teach younger generations how to be so and make them understand why, it would destroy your entire argument. My argument wasn't little parts. I know they teach us in linguistic classes to break up our arguments, but I find it just makes it easier to destroy an argument that way. My argument is whole. It needs the sum of its parts to work, you can't decide to cut something out of it. Those points you made don't take into account the whole philosophy. I showed a philosophy which should be undertaken that would fix the whole issue and remove the necessity for these limits.Generic Gamer said:
And saying that we need to dress in uniforms to be clean doesn't make sense. Why? I don't personally feel comfortable not washing my hair and drowning in sweat and dirt. It's just not comfortable. Pissing in a sink? Not comfortable. It's just logic. I'll do thinks more comfortably. Of course, should my job require me to do less comfortable things, I'll do it, as it's my responsibility. I took the job, I accept everything that comes with it. If not, I wouldn't have.
I'm considered as rich and have befriended some lesser off colleagues. It doesn't mean anything. It's more of a mental state you need to achieve. Teens will be teens, and teenagers at my age (18) don't really care anymore. Sure, 5 years ago we were all ignorant and dicks, but we grew up, and without any of this strict crap. We didn't need it, why would everyone else need it, then?
As for uniforms preparing you for work, that's a wrong assumption. Usually, in public places where you HAVE to wear some kind of uniform, you are a few workers and the uniform has a use: identifying who's who. But when it comes to schools, they could do many other things to identify you, like instead of uniforms, which could more easily be faked, they could have IDs, some kind of pin or digital scanners (eyes, fingerprints, etc.). Schools by now all have a surveillance system, too. All these should be easy enough to make students identifiable and keep those who are not supposed to be in outside. And, it should cost less than uniforms year after year. (Installing the system once, then just maintaining it, which shouldn't be hard)
Is it hard to work in a uniform if you haven't had the experience of wearing one before? All uniforms are not the same, after all, so saying "it helps you wear it more comfortably" falls, especially since most schools do not force suits, but rather other types of uniforms. Uniforms do not take experience to wear, they are not gothic lolita dresses with metal parts to keep your shape in a very specific manner. There are also tons of comfortable but professional-looking alternatives. People should be more comfortable with people they do not know, anyways. It can be achieved, I know I can be comfortable around anyone, and I was one heck of an awkward kid back when I was 11. People are awkward because they lack social experience, and giving them lots of it and teaching them how to be more in control of their instincts and more open-minded can help alot. It'll help people socialize more easily. I don't have an exact system in place, but hey, that's not what's important. I'm sure we can figure that out.
Of course you'll defend your opinion over any other. You're used to that one, you'll be hard to persuade. I'm not as hard to persuade, because I can understand other point of views, as I do yours, but I've discussed the subject so much that I know my point of view is more logical to me and works over yours.
Also, if you are used to being around people with different clothing and who are unique, it is easier to interact with the public and understand them, and that IS NECESSARY IN ALMOST EVERY JOB THAT OTHERWISE REQUIRES YOU TO WEAR A UNIFORM, I can guarantee it. It helps you see other people and if you t. If you defend the point of view that it helps break the barrier, you're probably someone who was ostracized for not being uniformed (in the sense that if the popular thing to wear is jeans and you always wear training pants, you're not uniform with others). Or they could always make jeans become the new uniform pants, and accept jeans with holes that are covered underneath by another material (IE, who are made with the holes). Fashion and clothing is a part of our society. We can't block it out because we don't like it. You need to understand the public you interact with. That can help make bonds and work more efficiently. If you work at a starbucks, for example, yes, you wear an uniform, but you DO NOT need to have experience wearing one, because you'll most probably interact with the public rather than your co-workers. Your co-workers will likely become like buddies, you'll learn to get along with them, but you will come in contact with almost the same people at work, while the public will change. I think it's something like 70% of interactions will be with the public, and those people, you don't know, while 30% will be co-workers and you'll likely be able to make links with them more easily, though you will have to be understandable. At one point, the uniform becomes invisible anyways, because at work, what you wear or look like doesn't even matter in terms of co-worker relations. You're busy and you won't notice as much and if you work in a public place, you're not going to dress in a sexy or fashionable way. You're not there to show-off. At school, it's a social place, even in class. It's not exactly like work. But you can make work more socially easy if you make an effort to be understanding and open-minded.
And I think our society puts way too much importance on being clean. Looking clean does not equal being clean. If anything, we should stop forcing people to wear suits (I've never worn one and I like them and manage to wear a suit quite nicely) and install a security system that checks out how clean someone is. There are many ways. Being clean is important, looking clean doesn't matter, because you can be crass and not look it and make everyone sick at work that way. Don't defend a point of view because that's how it is today and it works. Anything can work, it depends on personal experience and social values, and let me tell you, those change. I feel as if you are argumenting like a fundamentalist would argue to a very liberal person. Take the example of the middle ages. If we'd be to argue with someone of the middle ages, they would dismiss us like you dismissed my point of view, that my philosophy doesn't work nor apply. Yet who's to say the world won't follow this kind of philosophy in 30-40 years? At that point, they would be modern society and you would be medieval to them; you'd be a fundamentalist. It's what we're seeing today with the whole patriotic and christian aspects of the US. It's disappearing, that's the tendency. Here in Quebec, in the 60s, teenagers started developing another philosophy, one that was atheist and more liberal. Now, our point of view is the most popular around. (atheism) And we are, as a result, far more social and understanding. (Though there still are fundamentalists and politics has yet to reach that place.) The same thing is happening to the UK, the US, Australia and other countries. Pointing out what I don't talk about directly in each little part you thought you saw (when the argument is really one whole philosophy that would negate most of these little "faults") is just as a christian would say to an atheist "Well, if you don't believe, you risk burning forever in hell". That fault is completely silly to point out, because 1. There is no proof of it, 2. it is a belief and atheism is another belief and 3. if atheism is right, then risking of burning in hell is irrelevant, because it would not be true. Risking of being wrong is almost certain when you take a point of view. Heck, even when you don't take one, you are still at risk. There is no way to avoid risks in life.
And as I have said, you have to cope with others. It shouldn't be others' responsibility to behave how YOU personally want them. It should be everyone coping and understanding each other.
Defeatist. If you just say get used to it, it won't change anything. That's what disappoints me so much. People just don't try to make a change. Saying "Get over/used to it" and that kind of crap...If you don't care, let those that care make the decisions.Nouw said:
My school was the same... but less strict. But you couldnt buy normal clothes because they all had logo's or a stripe or something... So you had to buy them from a specialty shop who charges twice the price... so no-one wore it... Then they changed the code to all shirts MUST have the school logo on it, so that meant you HAD to buy new clothes to get them put on it which was 3 times the price! its stupid and shouldnt be like it.
My school had a very lax uniform policy... we could even wear jeans with our shirts untucked if we felt like it.
But with our recent principal, we're slowly transforming into a mock private school- it's horrendous. We get referrals even if we wear jumpers that don't reflect our school colours. At least it's not like we have other things to take care of like torn textbooks and stinking jerseys instead of focusing on this trivial matter. Oh wait.
But with our recent principal, we're slowly transforming into a mock private school- it's horrendous. We get referrals even if we wear jumpers that don't reflect our school colours. At least it's not like we have other things to take care of like torn textbooks and stinking jerseys instead of focusing on this trivial matter. Oh wait.
Okay then good sir, what should I say then? I feel sorry for you OP, you have my regards?Alex06 said:
Anyway, since I've been to a school that has uniform for two years and my future schooling isn't going to change that I've gotten used to it.
I'm assuming you live in the US so I understand that it might be a new concept for you but all I can really say is that it's not that bad.
[sub]Sue me if people expect a paragraph for each reply, it's how I think in situations where I'm used to it.[/sub]
Thats bullshit! Im so glad at my school you can wear just about anything you want as long as the girls dont look too slutty. Public schools are (more or less) free education. I dont see why they should be allowed to say what people can wear unless they are providing a uniform
Both public schools I have gone to, both my primary school and my high school, have not only enforced a dress code, but an actual uniform. Especially the high school. They even have a uniform shop where you buy said uniform.
Not the cheapest clothes ever, either.
Not the cheapest clothes ever, either.
As long as it doesn't create an unnecessary financial burden (or as long as they make appropriate arrangements in the case that it does so as to make it fair for everyone) then the school should be allowed to do that. But really, at that point, it really is a uniform since you seem to be allowed basically no real deviation aside from, like, "long sleeves".
well to be fair dress code often gets in the way of learning my 10th grade algebra teacher would stop class completely to tell someone to get into dress code she would spend 10 -20 minutes arguing with that student and in a 45 minute class thats half of the time goneSpace Spoons said:
