Poll: "Uniforms" in public school

[Deleted]

Abusing power to implement completely asinine rules like that, probably makes one feel powerful or in control.

 

[Danny Ocean]

Its not a private school its a public school, you know one funded by the state. Most people can't really switch from public, although I can since I live on the border of two states but this is actually the better school

Public school means private school over here. State school is the only term for state schools.

It's still a non-issue that you'll grow indifferent to as you age. I've been in uniforms all my life, with stricter dress codes than you (Actual military ones- that's what the cadets do to a school), and I don't mind. Hell, it's easier than facing the fashion rat race every day.

 

[Marcosn]

I live in america and they changed out Casual day into jeans day... and now there making use pay money for these days or participate in a Raise the most money for the school fundraiseres in order to win one of these days for our grade

yea, same story really except we've always had to pay something towards it like 50p or £1 but I guess I'm lucky 'cos not only could we wear jeans but for an extra pound we could wear trainers or a wacky tie! My school is SO fun... =_= well atleast this is my last year before the wonders of college!

 

[Danpascooch]

I was just saying the issue has been blown way out of proportion, people act like if kids aren't forced to wear certain color clothes a gang war will break out in the cafeteria, and the only defense against everyone in the school dying is a tucked in shirt, it's insane.

I can see the problem in strict dress codes and I would prefer none at all in my school but I can see the advantages. There might not be a gang war but there has been a few times neds from other schools(or who don't even go to school anymore) have entered my school looking to cause trouble and some try cell drugs at the school gate.

Crossing the street can be fatal too, but we don't make everyone crossing the street wear LED flashing vests.

However you are told to look both ways, use the traffic lights etc.

And when you're on your bike you're told to have the reflector lights on the wheels so cars can see you at night. Different safety precautions for different situations.

Are you saying that requiring your shirt to bear the school logo and be tucked in is the safety equivalent of properly responding to traffic lights?

Do I seriously need to explain how messed up that argument is?

 

[Ziggy]

do the teachers follow the same rules

No they don't

thats unfair

 

[StBishop]

Their school, their rules. You may not like having to wear a work uniform but it is part of life and you really have no say in it other than go somewhere else.

It's a PUBLIC school. Private schools can do whatever they want (as long as it's legal), but public schools are run by the government.

This is crazy. I can understand no hats/head coverings so teachers can see your face and you aren't identifying with a gang, maybe top button of shirt so girls aren't "improper." But belts? Collars? Khakis? That's ridiculous, and almost as bad as my former private school (at least you don't have to wear the school emblem over your heart). Public schools shouldn't expect this level of dress from their students.

Students can only rise to the level expected of them. If a students parents and teachers all honestly believe a student has the capacity to do something it gives the student "permission" to aspire to reach those expectations. If everyone expects that same student to join a gang, sell drugs, & end up in jail, that's where they're likely to go.
I say likely because there are always exeptions.
If you genuinely expect that state school kids will wear their uniforms and give reasonable punishments for not wearing the uniform, most will wear the uniform.

I don't see a problem with school uniforms, they serve to keep everyone at the same level in a fashion sense to avoid bullying of poor kids for their clothes. It also serves a safety purpose for school excursions, try keeping tabs on 20 teens that don't like you.
It also gets students use to wearing stupid uniforms, which most of them will do at one point in their life after secondary/high school.
It can, and is intended, to give school pride, but I never experienced or witnessed school pride when I was in school.

Also, public school doesn't mean what most people seem to think it means. A public school is a school run by a member/members of the public as opposed to the government. That is, a public school is what we generally term a private school.

(I'd insert a "the mire you know" banner but I'm on an iPhone and they're bastards to work with.)

And for those who are interested the school code I had to deal with went like so: uniform dress code [http://mossmanshs.eq.edu.au/wcmss/images/stories/Policies/DressCode/student%20dress%20code.pdf]

 

[TheLaofKazi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting you do remember them, right?

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Schoolboy-attacked-by-intruders.6640805.jp (could easily of got worse)

I would say it is more likely to be killed in school to be honest.

So, since the past 44 years, let's say about 300 (and I'm being very, very generous here)) have died from school shootings.

Want to know how many people die from lightning? 90 people each year, or 3239 deaths over the last 36 years.

Source: http://www.unitedjustice.com/death-statistics.html

Statistically speaking, school shootings are hardly threatening, and it's the way our society, especially the media, has blown this whole issue out of proportion and saturated our televisions with coverage of these events that has killed more people. Check out this article:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-did-the-media-help-to-pull-the-trigger-2020927.html

Notice how within the last years, as media coverage of school shootings increased, so did the school shootings? Our whole society lives in so much fear, and ultimately it's not those threats, but the fear itself and the drastic measures that we go through to make ourselves feel safe, that are the problem. Within a year, fast food will kill more people then terrorism and school shootings will in 10 years combined.

Don't get me wrong, those school shooting events were indeed tragic, but don't you think our attention to the various things that threaten us is a bit... disproportional?

And there really isn't any proof out there that school uniforms contribute to security, or order, or success. Perhaps this is an equally unsubstantiated statement, although I think psychology agrees with me on this one, what will make us more safe, more peaceful, and more successful is happiness, acceptance, tolerance, compassion, and freedom. People don't just shoot up schools for no reason, there are a variety of factors that contribute to it, sociology being a strong one. Instead of looking outward from our limited shell, viewing those people that threaten us as outsiders, we should look inward and see where they came from and who created them, which was us.

 

[DuctTapeJedi]

No, kids will always be petty and harass others based on clothing and appearance. If it wasn't this, it would be something else.

 

[Ickorus]

Sounds like a school here in England, I never had much of a problem but i'll admit I didn't really adhere to the dress code much.

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

Disgusting.

Uniforms are horrible, overbearing way to beat into student's heads that they are nothing more than a cog in the machine.

 

[GenericAmerican]

I would say my school is/was stricter than that; if you read the student rulebook it is. But I'm a senior and they don't enforce anything.

Wear our uniform shirts and black or khaki pants, and a belt.

Used to have our hair a certain length (no over the eyebrows, touching your collar, over hte ears, or sideburns below the ears. There is also a limit on how high it can be, we had people come in with afros and stuff.), no facial hair(i break rule every day), no jackets/hoodies etc. Dress shoes, (I have dress boots) keep things tucked in. No jewelry, none of those stupid wristband things. blah blah blah.

One good thing is that we seniors are the only ones that get to wear the new style uniforms. The normal styles are so freaking uncomfortable and itchy, now we can laugh at the other grades as they sweat to death because the Air conditioning is broke.

 

[Double A]

Their school, their rules. You may not like having to wear a work uniform but it is part of life and you really have no say in it other than go somewhere else.

It's a PUBLIC school. Private schools can do whatever they want (as long as it's legal), but public schools are run by the government.

This is crazy. I can understand no hats/head coverings so teachers can see your face and you aren't identifying with a gang, maybe top button of shirt so girls aren't "improper." But belts? Collars? Khakis? That's ridiculous, and almost as bad as my former private school (at least you don't have to wear the school emblem over your heart). Public schools shouldn't expect this level of dress from their students.

Students can only rise to the level expected of them. If a students parents and teachers all honestly believe a student has the capacity to do something it gives the student "permission" to aspire to reach those expectations. If everyone expects that same student to join a gang, sell drugs, & end up in jail, that's where they're likely to go.
I say likely because there are always exeptions.
If you genuinely expect that state school kids will wear their uniforms and give reasonable punishments for not wearing the uniform, most will wear the uniform.

I don't see a problem with school uniforms, they serve to keep everyone at the same level in a fashion sense to avoid bullying of poor kids for their clothes. It also serves a safety purpose for school excursions, try keeping tabs on 20 teens that don't like you.
It also gets students use to wearing stupid uniforms, which most of them will do at one point in their life after secondary/high school.
It can, and is intended, to give school pride, but I never experienced or witnessed school pride when I was in school.

Also, public school doesn't mean what most people seem to think it means. A public school is a school run by a member/members of the public as opposed to the government. That is, a public school is what we generally term a private school.

(I'd insert a "the mire you know" banner but I'm on an iPhone and they're bastards to work with.)

And for those who are interested the school code I had to deal with went like so: uniform dress code [http://mossmanshs.eq.edu.au/wcmss/images/stories/Policies/DressCode/student%20dress%20code.pdf]

You make a good argument (not enough to convince me that I'd ever wear a uniform, though. At least not a "real" one and not just a nice shirt), except about the "bad clothing gets you bullied." Do you honestly think that a kid's getting bullied because they ware weird clothes? It's because the bully doesn't like them. If the major source of ridicule was clothes, a bully would just make fun of something else, like their face.

 

[El Poncho]

I was just saying the issue has been blown way out of proportion, people act like if kids aren't forced to wear certain color clothes a gang war will break out in the cafeteria, and the only defense against everyone in the school dying is a tucked in shirt, it's insane.

I can see the problem in strict dress codes and I would prefer none at all in my school but I can see the advantages. There might not be a gang war but there has been a few times neds from other schools(or who don't even go to school anymore) have entered my school looking to cause trouble and some try cell drugs at the school gate.

Crossing the street can be fatal too, but we don't make everyone crossing the street wear LED flashing vests.

However you are told to look both ways, use the traffic lights etc.

And when you're on your bike you're told to have the reflector lights on the wheels so cars can see you at night. Different safety precautions for different situations.

Are you saying that requiring your shirt to bear the school logo and be tucked in is the safety equivalent of properly responding to traffic lights?

Do I seriously need to explain how messed up that argument is?

The shirt doesn't need the logo(nor does it need to be tucked in), the school tie just needs the school colours.
It is a form of safety, they may not be on the same level but they can both protect in their own way.

 

[The Ambrosian]

-snip-

I've seen worse,
We have a uniform:
White shirt, buttoned to the top.
School tie.
Jumper is optional (it's a specific one, that looks smart)
Blazer with the school emblem.
Grey/black trousers.
Smart shoes, no trainers, boots etc.

 

[JacobSmith]

Uniforms were in 99% of the schools in the U.S. until after WWII. They were tossed out fairly quickly in the next years. In America a public school is one most people go to and it is run by the state. A state school is one that is in a Juvenile jail, and a private school is one that is run by an independent group, most are religious based.
Also, uniforms do not really end discrimination against the poor. They buy the used uniforms. You can tell the difference. They also do not stifle uniqueness. You just have to use your mind to make yourself different. That is a lot more work than a $2.99 bottle of hair dye or other simple exterior change. The teachers in my school had a rather simple dress code, but very strict in its execution. But sadly Standardized testing has taken over teaching people here. Those are the things that limit what we learn.

 

[higgs20]

admittedly I only read the first 4 posts before getting a bit bored but my impression of your school is that it is either:
1. Run by jackboots.
2. employs masochistic fuck ups with OCD.
3. under the impression that regular trephination is good for the staff.
4. attempting to groom you all into some form of soulless killing machines.
or 5. doing an experiment on the easiest way to rip a soul from a body

 

[higgs20]

oh and just to clarify I wasn't really talking about the dress code, i'm British, all our schools have that, I was more on about how strictly it seems to be upheld I have no idea what ISS is but being sent there for handing wonky papers back to the teacher seems a bit shit.

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

I went to public school in Puerto Rico and ALL schools here have a uniform, including private ones.

 

[Andalusa]

And that's strict?

Copied from my school website.

Uniform and Appearance

1. The school uniform as on the approved uniform list must be complete and carefully worn.
Pupils may be sent home if they arrive at school incorrectly dressed and your co-operation in
the enforcement of these standards is most earnestly sought. No deviation from the school
uniform will be allowed; it must be complete and worn with pride.

2. ALL items must be named - Cash's tapes are recommended.

3. Hair - All pupils must be consistent with expected standards of neatness. Extremes
of style, length and colours are unacceptable.

BOYS Boys hair should not be below the collar. Facial hair is not acceptable.

GIRLS Hair which is long enough to touch the shoulders should be tied back
with a dark coloured ribbon or clasp during Science, PE and Technology
lessons, or at other times where there is a safety issue.

4. Jewellery Girls may wear one pair of small "sleeper" or stud earrings on the earlobes. No
other jewellery of any kind is allowed. It will be confiscated.
Boys are not permitted to wear earrings in school; whilst attending school
functions or on school visits. The use of plasters to cover ear piercing is not
permissible.

Body piercing is not permissible and no items of jewellery may be worn in
school; whilst attending school functions or on school visits.


Tattoos are not permissible.

5. Make-up or nail varnish is not to be worn.

Property and Possessions

1. The following are forbidden. They must not be brought into school:

Alcoholic drinks.
Cigarettes, tobacco, matches.
Fireworks.
Sharp cutting tools such as Stanley knives.
Correcting fluid such as "Tipp-Ex".
Chewing gum.

2. For the care and carriage of books, a satchel, briefcase or strong case/bag in discreet colour is
required. Plastic carriers, hessian bags, flimsy nylon bags are not acceptable for this
purpose.

3. All personal items such as calculators to be clearly labelled with the pupil?s name.

4. Very valuable items should only be brought to school at students? own risk, and so it is
essential to reflect on whether it is necessary to bring such items into school.

5. Personal stereos may be used only on bus journeys and during the lunch hour.

6. Mobile phones are allowed in school, although we question how appropriate it is to bring
them into school. We can accept no responsibility for loss or damage. Where students (or
their families) wish them to have a mobile ?phone in school (and we recognise that domestic
arrangements, rural journeys etc. might make it desirable) then their use must be in line with
the school policy regarding their use.

a) They must NOT be used to make calls or send texts during lesson times

b) They must NOT be set to receive calls or texts during lesson times.

The use of mobile phones is strictly prohibited in any examinations.

 

[Newtilator]

In (Soviet) Britain, all schools have uniform. I don't really see the issue. But a dress code? Thats just plain odd.... How do you define it? Sounds like they wanted a uniform, but decided to tone it down, making it worse. Don't they offer cheap uniform esque clothes?