Poll: USA Invaded...by whom?
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Actually, it isn't even necessarily incompetence. The vietcong kicked the ass of the french forces, and did a hell of a lot of damage even to the american troops.rhizhim said:
The fact is, invading somewhere is no guarantee of actually conquering it, if the civilians take it upon themselves to murder every occupying soldier they get their hands on, it's bloody difficult to pick out the troublemakers.
It would be far easier to just nuke the USA and claim ownership of the resultant pile of slag. But then they would nuke you. That's why you go live in switzerland or australia, or canada. Neutral, defensible (switzerland, anyway, the others can just let nature kill off an invading army), and preferably with little to no strategic value or natural resources.
Also, australians are criminals, so you have an effective guerilla army right there.
I'm not really sure who would invade the US... well beside everyone that hates em? But atm. I guess most are clever enough to know that they would never be able to win a one on one war with the US, but on the other hand i see another possibility for the US being invade.
If China at some point said "f*** the us" and then stopped selling/making goods for em, the US would be royally fucked (mind my French), do you people have any idea how depending the US is on China? Most of everything the US makes is made in China, so if they decided to ditch the US and just wait a bit then the US could collapse in on itself with its then completely dead economy. then the US would be as weak as a little baby seal and then even Holland would be able to invade the US xD
The only reasons the US is so "safe" as it is atm. is because everyone is ass kissing them... the USA would lose against a military alliance of "China, Russia, North and South Korea." alone, no contest and even more so if china no longer saves their poor already dying market.
and a nuclear war no one would win, so let's leave that one out of consideration
If China at some point said "f*** the us" and then stopped selling/making goods for em, the US would be royally fucked (mind my French), do you people have any idea how depending the US is on China? Most of everything the US makes is made in China, so if they decided to ditch the US and just wait a bit then the US could collapse in on itself with its then completely dead economy. then the US would be as weak as a little baby seal and then even Holland would be able to invade the US xD
The only reasons the US is so "safe" as it is atm. is because everyone is ass kissing them... the USA would lose against a military alliance of "China, Russia, North and South Korea." alone, no contest and even more so if china no longer saves their poor already dying market.
and a nuclear war no one would win, so let's leave that one out of consideration
As of now it is impossible for the United States to be invaded by an hostile armed force.
We have the best navy and air force in the world. Two things you need when landing troops on someone else's land.
We have the best navy and air force in the world. Two things you need when landing troops on someone else's land.
Not discounting the rest of your points, but you should never underestimate the potential of a vast, poorly-trained force of nationalistic nutjobs to endlessly frustrate the efforts of a superior force. I mean, we made that mistake in Vietnam, as well as in Afghanistan for about the first six years of the war, and look where that got us.Verlander said:
An armed populace is not necessarily a trained populace, and most of the "armed" people in the U.S. would probably get themselves killed pretty quick. After that there would probably be a few resistance movements, but they wouldn't repel the invasion, they would be a slow and steady drain on resources until a larger power stepped in to repel the invaders.
Not sure why anyone would want to invade us. Nothing really gained from an invasion or even conquering aside from being able to say you took it. Its too big of a mess to bother dealing with.
You can have all the weapons you want, but if no one knows how to use them or has the organization mount a defense, it'll just be hillbillies taking potshots at enemy troops. Despite what movies like Red Dawn would like you to believe, high school kids could not take on trained soldiers.Happy_Mutant said:
Just look at the kill ratio for Iraq and Afghanistan. In 10 years of occupation, we've lost just under 5000 soldiers compared to the estimated 150,000 - 200,000 the insurgents have lost. Even in Vietnam, the ratio was something asinine like 20 to 1.
That being said, in this day and age with satellite and SOSUS systems, it would be utterly impossible for an earth based force to mount a surprise attack. The logistics involved in moving an army into position (including tanks, planes, boots, helicopters, etc) are astronomical. It wouldn't even take spy satellites to see it. Even Google would know about it before they were even on the move.
On top of THAT, the United States is bordered on two of it's three sides by very large oceans. Moving enough troops to mount an effective invasion over that much area takes time and not only allows the military to set up defensive positions to repel the invasion, it also gives us a grand opportunity to attack them. All you have to do sink the transport ships and instantly they've lost 1000 foot soldiers. Sink and aircraft carrier, and they've lost air support. That's why it was so imperative to follow the "island hopping" campaign in WWII. You need staging areas and places to refuel aircraft and put troops. Coming down through Canada wouldn't work because the Canadians are hardly going to let them march on through and would bog them down long enough for us to mobilize and help the Canadian's before they even even reach the US border. Mexico would be equally unwanted because along the border, there is nothing of strategic value. It is all desert and without the constact supply of goods via the interstate system, there would be nothing to live off of without creating a very complex and fragile supply line.
To even add more to that, there is nothing of value in the US to warrant an invasion in the first place. Unless there was a war going on like the second world war in which the goal was to capture the capital and dismantle the government, there would be no reason to land troops.
All of that comes into play LONG before an armed population even gets looked at.
That's not exactly the best way to be making friends here. I'm reasonably sure they don't "hate us." They are not very fond of us because of the attitude you display here, but they don't hate us.DragonLord Seth said:
Also, that picture looks like it's just Army troops on a transport plane. I don't think they are paratroopers or SpecOps like you seem to imply. They don't look like them, anyway.
I assume most civilians either own shotguns or handguns, handgun rounds can easily be stopped with a bulletproof vest and keep in mind that not everyone who owns a handgun knows how to properly/safely use it or is capable to use it to kill another person.
still with a high as fuck defense budget the US might be hard to invade.
I think that if the EU wanted to they could technically invade the US,other then that civil war.
still with a high as fuck defense budget the US might be hard to invade.
I think that if the EU wanted to they could technically invade the US,other then that civil war.
ironiclly there was actually something there when i looked upThe_root_of_all_evil said:Insanely easy.
And they've already done it.
Just look above you...
A HUGE SPIDER
I don't think this is necessarily true these days. I think that China does a pretty good job of holding all their cards near their chest when it comes to military technology, and if they were(for some unfathomable reason) going to launch an attack, they would do it with the key to victory in any war on their side - Intelligence.GigaHz said:
Chinese Intelligence gathering efforts outstrip that of the United States by a wide margin (just look at recent reports from the pentagon of having information stolen in cyber attacks), however we have comparatively little information on the latest Chinese defence projects.
In any case, there won't be any wars between industrialised nations - Nuclear weapons, and a globalised economy have seen to that.
So for that reason, no, nobody will invade the U.S - could they? Quite possibly, but it'd be the war to end the world itself, and nobody, not even Kim Jong Il, is that crazy...
All of this has got nothing to do with whether or not Billy-Bob has the right to keep his shotgun collection.
Wow... just wowDragonLord Seth said:
You kind of come across as rasist, ignorant and foolish.
Sure it would be very hard to invade the US of A, but why would anyone want to?
On topic:
Come to think of it, why would anyone invade another country in this age? I mean what would you do when you win? You would just be stuck with a big broken piece of land filled with people who hates you and an extremely costly repair bill
Who helps train The Rangers? 1 Para, The Parachute Regiment ( British Army ) Who help train SEALs? SBS, ( Royal Navy SF ).DragonLord Seth said:
After doing some research on your military, you spend less than a thrid of the time training your troops compared to most other countries. Hell, the USMC training is 12 weeks, add Recon for a few and you've got 24 weeks. Standard British Infantry soldiers have 28 weeks of training, before they are deployed.
As a lot of military personnel here say: "The US military? All the gear no idea."
But, alas, this isn't an argument on that.
OT: I think an invasion of America would have to be economic. I say this because it is strategically unwise to attack overseas. Logistics are a nightmare. This is a prime example of why we failed at keeping our colonies. It took two months for orders from England to come through. I believe then only nations with the military might to attack America are Russia and China. Though the resulting "war" would fuck up the rest of the world.
Also, I honestly don't see why anyone would want to invade you? There's not a lot there. When we fought, it was because you were our colonies, I think if it you hadn't have been "ours" We would have left you to it. There's nothing of value there for it to be worthwhile.
Another thing about all the guerillas and insurgents is that the U.S. generals, as I pointed out, don't do the right things. They don't adapt. So, if another nation were to invade, the U.S. military will be forced by the generals to not adapt, and if the generals on the invading army are smart, THEY will, and the U.S. will falter.rhizhim said:thats is why im asking. warfare has changed mostly into urban warfare and hit and run tactics.kickassfrog said:Actually, it isn't even necessarily incompetence. The vietcong kicked the ass of the french forces, and did a hell of a lot of damage even to the american troops.rhizhim said:
It would be far easier to just nuke the USA and claim ownership of the resultant pile of slag. But then they would nuke you. That's why you go live in switzerland or australia, or canada. Neutral, defensible (switzerland, anyway, the others can just let nature kill off an invading army), and preferably with little to no strategic value or natural resources.
Also, australians are criminals, so you have an effective guerilla army right there.
im not sure about swizerland. nuke italy, germany, france or austria and you have no deal with some nice radioactive clouds. (you still aren't allowed to eat mushrooms you can gather from a forrest because of chernobyl.)
if a force should invade australia it it would mean that they have some strong naval forces. and for a resistance to hide out in the outlands is a really bad idea. no military force would ever go into the center of australia thus making it the best place for a resistance to have a secret base.
so the invaders would be around the costal line holding the resistance off until they are tired because of the enviroment. also mind that australia has the most poisonous creatures in the world (spiders, snakes, jelly fish etc.)
so im not sure if living in Australia would be that good since the land can bite you in your ass aswell. unless you raise a army of box jellyfishes and train them to joint themselves into a deathly mech.
or you make a jelly fish bazooka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_jellyfish
well canada gives you the chance to escape to colder regions. but then again the cold might bite you back.
The only time I saw a good strategy in recent times from the U.S. was using the SEALS to take out bin Laden. THAT was a smart move.
Here's the thing, Unless your Canada or Mexico, invading the US would be such a hassle to get off the ground. The two coasts are dotted with major cities with large miltary bases and populations, not to mention the sheer naval force that would be necessary to make a landing. An air drop is simply to crazy to work on the scale it would need to, and trying to get through one of the borders means attacking that country as well.
Aside from that, there is really nothing super valuable here that would make it worth the trouble.
And even aside from that, the current state of technologies and politics would make an invasion of the US a death sentence to the country invading, and perhaps to the rest of the world if nuclear arms fire is exchanged.
Aside from that, there is really nothing super valuable here that would make it worth the trouble.
And even aside from that, the current state of technologies and politics would make an invasion of the US a death sentence to the country invading, and perhaps to the rest of the world if nuclear arms fire is exchanged.