Poll: Voluntary Human Extinction

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Aardvark

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Once again, space ships, extraterrestrial colonisation and expanding out into the stars will be the future of Humanity. Of course, this will only be the technologically advanced nations that manage this, so the backwards 3rd world dictatorships and fundamentalist regimes will be left behind to fight amongst themselves over this dry, empty, over-exploited husk of a planet that we leave behind.

So it's win-win!

Win-win-win, if we leave behind the hippies and degenerates who call for voluntary human extinction.
 

Hunde Des Krieg

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Since when has population growth begun to slow? The more of us there are the faster we breed...
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but even if you did remove humans, eventually another species will evolve mentally and just do exactly what we've done
Not likely, considering how long it took for a species like humanity to evolve, but still I agree with your sentiment. It's not like we are some invading alien species invading the planet to take what we want and leave, we originated here we have just as much right to be here as any other species.
 

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Anton P. Nym said:
naftali1 said:
I take offense to the hippie comment. The original hippies were about free love...that leads to ridiculous amounts of reproduction. Most hippies today have a similar view. DO NOT equate the dumb-shits of VHEMT to hippies.
With respect, plenty of hippies got into Zero Population Growth in the mid '70s, as well as other movements that make up the whole flagellant wing of the ecological movement.

Besides, this movement is based on an obsolete model with an overly-limited data set [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Population_Bomb]. It's old news, and it's failed numerous tests of its predictions in any case.

-- Steve
Fair enough.

But in my defense the poll implies that all hippies buy into that when in fact it is a small portion. Therefor I still dislike it...but now my reason makes more sense.
 

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Hunde Des Krieg said:
Not likely, considering how long it took for a species like humanity to evolve, but still I agree with your sentiment. It's not like we are some invading alien species invading the planet to take what we want and leave, we originated here we have just as much right to be here as any other species.
It's not likely but neither were the creation of humans in the first place. Besides, becoming sentient is the next evolutionary step, eventually another creature will inevitability get there. Unless, of course, it takes several billion years and the sun explodes, but hey.
 

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Yeah. That's a good idea! While we're at it let's go cut off our penis(es/i, not sure) and then throw them at women saying,"hahahahahaha! I don't want what you're selling!" and then go cook our appendages and then eat them. OR we could go make babies...
 

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I think its kind of high and mighty for humans to think that they are a threat to the planet, the planet is as its always been, and has survived billions of years and should survive quite a bit longer. Human's however will reach their end when the time comes, and its an inevitability, therefore it makes no sense to rush things along.

Humans are not a threat to the planet, humans are only a threat to their own survival. The earth renews itself, creates and destroys, neither judges nor rewards. Let it alone and life will find a way.
 

SecretTacoNinja

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No... I'd like to spread my genius genes thank you very much, and also sterilize every chav and moron in existence.

Everything dies. Why speed up the inevitable?
 

Lonan

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Puppeteer Putin said:
I'm gutted here. I do believe there should be some sort of population control. Yes it's near nigh impossible to enforce and yes it may infringe on the individuals "freedoms" but fact of the matter is, we need less people. We've ended up in the exponential growth of population that has become unsustainable. In the short term, strategically, it may not be a bad idea.

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Because of the exponential growth we need more people to pay for the older generations survive. It's already evident that the generations following the baby-boomers are going to dole out the cash in form of taxes.

So from here there are two options 1) employ population control or 2) don't prolong the life of the elderly, let them go naturally. Now I'm bracing myself for a flaming but many live way beyond their years and are sucking up resources that could be used elsewhere. By no means should they cut their lives short or be refused treatment but perhaps just let them die rather than aggressively prolonging life.
I'm not sure I understand your point about exponential growth and taxes. Are you saying that we require exponential growth in order to retain social institutions (like Social Security)? I hope you understand that the current crisis with social security and the baby boomers is the result pricely of non-exponential growth. If had continued to grow at the rate of our grand parents then there would be no problem in funding Social Security.

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I have two points to make here:

Point #1: Population control is not as important as say, education in general.

Er, I'm looking for a chart I saw online. I'll edit my post if I find it. If you find it before me, please post it: It's a bar graph comparing educated to non-educated women in six or seven countries and the number of children the average woman is expected to have.

Essentially, people have studied the relationship between the number of children women have with no education and the number of children have with more education. The study compared a bunch of countries. In the USA and many western nations, there is still a trend (women with less than a high school diploma on average have something like 3.8 children), but is not as strong as it is in some developing nations, like Nigeria or Botswana or something. In those poorer African nations, uneducated women can be expected to have as many as 8-12 kids in their life time. However, high school educated women have half of that, and college educated women have even fewer.

All this implies that beyond sex education, distribution of contraceptives, etc, a better policy is just to increase the availability of education to women (especially). This is not only easier, but has many other practical applications as well (too much education can't be a bad thing, unless you're Big Brother).

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Point #2: Populations are starting to control themselves.

Exhibit A:


As I have previously stated, global population growth in the past few decades has slowed for the first time in human history. Global growth peaked 50-60 years ago with the Baby Boomers, and has since fallen. From 1940-1960 the human population tripled. Since then it has merely doubled (in twice as much time!). To be honest, I'm not particularly alarmed.

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To me, this implies that education and social instruction are much more useful and ethical then strict population control (look at the mess in China!) or something crazy like denying health care to the elderly.
What do you mean look at China? They have 1.2 billion people, and there population is still going up. The resources they need must be gargantuan. The reason the population is still going up is because it's only a fine if you have more then one child. Lots of people do it anyway, I believe. In any case, I love China, when they want to do something, they get it done. Once the U.S. shows they care about the environment because of Obama, the people of China will wonder why they need to wear face masks when they go outside.
 

Charli

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Well if we all stopped having sex for a week theroetically the population should drop drastically. I kid you not. Eventually we'll figure it out, so chilllaaax.
 

Hunde Des Krieg

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Locust said:
Hunde Des Krieg said:
Not likely, considering how long it took for a species like humanity to evolve, but still I agree with your sentiment. It's not like we are some invading alien species invading the planet to take what we want and leave, we originated here we have just as much right to be here as any other species.
It's not likely but neither were the creation of humans in the first place. Besides, becoming sentient is the next evolutionary step, eventually another creature will inevitability get there. Unless, of course, it takes several billion years and the sun explodes, but hey.
But don't forget evolution doesn't always work in steps. You can look back at our evolutionary history that way but not the future. But that's still beside the ultimate point anyway.
 

Lonan

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I voted for strict population control because if we did just go extinct, Chimpanzees would just evolve into humans in a few million years anyway, and this would start all over again. Chimpanzees have already been observed using tools to hunt. If I'm in charge, we can have a sustainable future, without anyone who would vote for Sarah Palin. Vote me Emperor of the Earth!
 

Mookie_Magnus

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The sad thing about this is that these people are intelligent and SHOULD be reproducing to counter the exponentially growing number of stupid people. I mean come on, there's too few smart people already..
 

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dekkarax said:
These guys and PETA are proof that evolution can sadly work backwards.
PETA? Treating animals in an ethical and responsible manner doesn't constitute stupidity to me. In fact, not all PETA members are vegetarians, although the vast majority are. The ones that aren't believe that as long as the animal wasn't treated cruelly, it's perfectly acceptable to eat it.
 

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v3cks said:
dekkarax said:
These guys and PETA are proof that evolution can sadly work backwards.
PETA? Treating animals in an ethical and responsible manner doesn't constitute stupidity to me. In fact, not all PETA members are vegetarians, although the vast majority are. The ones that aren't believe that as long as the animal wasn't treated cruelly, it's perfectly acceptable to eat it.
Apologies, I was generalising, the head of PETA had themselves sterilised, for the same reason as these fellows.
 

Anton P. Nym

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v3cks said:
dekkarax said:
These guys and PETA are proof that evolution can sadly work backwards.
PETA? Treating animals in an ethical and responsible manner doesn't constitute stupidity to me. In fact, not all PETA members are vegetarians, although the vast majority are. The ones that aren't believe that as long as the animal wasn't treated cruelly, it's perfectly acceptable to eat it.
If PETA actually stood for the ethical treatment of animals, I'd agree with you. However, they don't; they're more akin to the Animal Liberation Front. They use unethical means (lying to children is the one that makes my blood boil the most) to promote their ethical stance, and to me that means either heinous malice or just inexcusible stupidity.

-- Steve
 

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Kukul said:
Archemetis said:
People should be handed licenses to breed, stupid people, sex offenders, pedophiles and other such people of similar natures, shouldn't be allowed to have one.
and in the case of someone attempting to reproduce without a license their offspring will be terminated, forcing stupid people (and the rest) to live in underground socities and never be seen aagin.
How old are you? Perhaps you should lay off "Mein Kampf" and internet for a while and get back to you middle school books.
Middle school?!
I'm turning 21 in April...

By the way, who or what the hell is Mein Kampf.

I suppose I should've seen this coming, because everything I wrote in it that post is clearly serious... [/sarcasm]
 

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i dont think thats a good idea

what would be ideal is if they could stop teenage pregnancy's, have a set limit to when you can have a baby or something o_O
its too complicated for me to think about
 

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I'm down. My wife and I don't plan on having kids either. Let's get more people on this train. Snip it or wrap it up fellas.
 

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but the only good reason to kill every human everywhere is if... the flood invaded and we were all gonna get infected or something along those lines