Poll: What do you think of furries?
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Ok, my mistake. Now that think about it though, that kind of thing does come under keeping it to other people with the same interest.Labyrinth said:
(FYI, I am not part of that 'Vanilla' group,' but I keep what specific stuff I like to myself because "normal" people wouldn't like it. It's not necessary to reveal that kind of thing.Labyrinth said:
The pandering to that vanilla heterosexual is part of the culture. I don't think it's healthy but it is still accepted by most because they are used too it.
If someone is used to something that would be considered unnatural (in this case the overexposure of 'vanilla' sex), taking them and exposing them to something even more unnatural (a fetish) is still wrong.
What makes furries so special, that so many of them think that they should do that?
I'm not the judge of that. You ask any "normal" person if furry fetishism is natural and they will tell you that it is not. Same with foot fetish, vore, tentacle fetish, inflation and everything else.Labyrinth said:
All those are parahilias [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia]. By definition, a paraphilia is not "normal." Things that are atypical, extreme, unusual and/or deviations are not natural. Those words could be used in place of "unnatural" and my point would still stand.
This is why; by current definition, the fetish termed "furry" is not natural.
How about addressing some of my other points rather than the one you feel to be the weakest, because it uses less than optimal wording?
Problem there is that I've never heard a justifiable definition of "natural" or "unnatural", hence my question.Legendsmith said:
I would say that furries are special because they are a primary target for persecution. It's a little more risky to go pointing fingers at a whip-wielding dom, too. Personally I don't understand the hate.
And that kinda sucks. I love furry art, but I don't want to be categorized under the same label as the fursuiters or lifestylers. Not that I have anything against them, it's just not me.ultimateownage said:
Okay, that's true. I just meant that even though we all call ourselves furries, we have many different "categorizes" within the fandom. At least Furaffinity forums. But that forum is scaryDexiro said:
Its all furry, just in leveling degrees. A human with cat ears and a tail is a nekomimi, but is still a furry. Most consider it a "watered down" furry but its still clearly there.
If people identified themselves as strictly animals, then we wouldn't have tons of people with anthro fursonas, would we?
There is a clear difference between just an animal and and anthro regardless of how "furry" or "watered down" it is. I should go dig up one of those furry charts that are scattered across the interwebs.
If people identified themselves as strictly animals, then we wouldn't have tons of people with anthro fursonas, would we?
There is a clear difference between just an animal and and anthro regardless of how "furry" or "watered down" it is. I should go dig up one of those furry charts that are scattered across the interwebs.
So how many physical animal features can you add to a human before it becomes an animal? Obviously less than five, according to you. But more than two? I dunno, I guess the whole thing sounds silly to me, at this point. An animal with human features would be like a werewolf or something, something animalistic inside. You hear people in movies go up to psychopaths and say things like `you're not human,' but by your reasoning that doesn't make any sense either because they sure do look human. Being human comes from human abilities, not human appearance. Your line of thought, that `it doesn't look exactly like me so it's not human,' is what got white supremacy started, and we all know how well that turned out. The thing is, being human comes from the ability to think, to understand, to be self-aware, to be intelligent, to speak, things like that. Even if an anthropomorph looks no different from an animal, if it can still think like a human and talk like a human, it's effectively a human. The only differences is it's a hell of a lot cuter than a human.Troublesome Lagomorph said:Compare: something shaped like a human but with nearly all animal features and a human with a feature or two? Same thing? They're both anthropomorphism, but one is clearly VERY far on the animal side of the spectrum. Far enough, I'd say, to just call it an animal.DarthFennec said:Alright then, they're fake. I'm pretty sure I put that qualifier in thereTroublesome Lagomorph said:
There are a lot of anime where the ears and tail are things are real. What's your opinion on those?
Basically its the difference between animal with human features and human with animal features.
Let's put it into the perspective of this conversation: bestiality. Why is bestiality looked down upon? Simple, because a dog can't sit there and make decisions about it. Because people force it into something that it has no business doing. Because it can't think like a human, it can't love like a human, and it certainly can't tell the humans to stop being assholes to it. Exactly the same reason pedophilia is looked down upon. Because there is a party for whom it's simply impossible to have or communicate consent. The thing is, the ability to consent is not based on how human you look. Little kids look human, so by your logic pedophilia should be fine. Rather, it's about if the party can understand what it's getting into, agree that it wants it, and communicate that agreement. The nature of an anthropomorph, no matter how animal in appearence, is completely human in that respect. So even if you do disagree, and even if it is weird to you, it's not bestiality.
Oh, and also, just as an afterthought: bestiality is sex with animals, so if anthros were animals as you suggest, there's no sex going on because you can't fuck something imaginary. So it's not bestiality. But that's splitting hairs
You're completely right, but sadly misinformed. Fur is a fandom. If I'm furry, that means I'm a fan of something. Yes, there is a sexual fetish that comes with that most of the time, but that's a very small part of the fandom, and there's a lot more to it than that. It's a bit like being lgbt in that respect: there's a whole community involved, and a whole mindset involved. There's a large social aspect to being furry. That's what we're talking about when we tell people we're furry. I agree that furs should keep the fetish to themselves, it's just common courtesy. But that doesn't mean they should keep the entire fandom a secret.Legendsmith said:
What you're saying in this post sounds a lot like `I don't like Star Wars fans, I mean come on, I don't want to hear about how you get off to Princess Leia every night.' There's just more to it than that.
The best way to describe how I feel about furries is that I'm neutral towards them. I have nothing against them and see no reason why I should considering them to be just another sub-culture. I would admit that some of them may creep me out a little but overall I tolerate them.
How is it lying? Every fandom has their fair share of assholes, this one's no different.Bags159 said:
And I'm not saying that all furries are assholes, just alot of them.
You are not substantiating your claims at all. I have not met a self proclaimed furry who I found to be an asshole; like I said, I found a furry TF2 server to be politer than the average server. Until you can prove to me that the average furry would "get in the way" of our bronydom I call bull. Can you at least explain how furries can "get in the way" of the mlp fandom?PoisonUnagi said:
Sounds more like you have a problem with certain individuals of the furry fandom, in which case wouldn't it be more accurate to claim that they would ruin the MLP fandom?
... I honestly have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Get in the way? Like, if the furs infiltrated our boards and started fapping to Fluttershy and that scared us away by the thousands? Or if some fur in a pony suit went off and raped and killed Faust? What the hell are you afraid of happening? Internet communities don't get killed off all that easily, and ours is no different. Also remember that the furry fandom has an uncomfortably large amount of suicidal teen angst, and the bronies started out as 4chan trolls, so I think if they try anything we can take them 9_9PoisonUnagi said:
As a furry brony myself, I can't help but facehoof at your comment. Aren't bronies supposed to love and tolerate the shit out of each other? I thought that was the point. I thought you were supposed to make your fellow brony feel welcome. Be friendly. We're all united as subjects of Celestia, no matter our differences. We all eat hay and oats, you gotta share, you gotta care, ringing any bells? Good job fucking that one up, then. `You damn furries better stay out of our community, or imma be pissed!' Technically, a furry is a fan of anthropomorphs. MLP characters are anthropomorphs. So technically all bronies are furry anyway. Way to think that through, too.
I'm not really angry or anything, I'm just trying to get you to see it from a different angle. There will be bronies like that in our community, and there's no stopping that. Hell, there already are bronies like that. Bronies write and read more clopfics every day, and honestly that should be fine with you. Tolerance, dude. Doesn't mean you have to agree with it or like it, it just means they should feel as welcome as any other brony. It's like if I said `I feel indifferent about gamers, but if their addiction gets in the way of the brony community then I'll be right pissed.' Don't you hear how ridiculous that sounds?
I think you've taken this completely the wrong way. I'm vaguely furry myself, but it's no secret that there's a ton of fetishy assholes in the furry community and it's well within their power to label themselves as bronies, be the fetishy assholes that they are and give the bronies a horribly bad rep. I'm not saying that all furries are assholes, because I know plenty of awesome ones, but it's a very possible scenario.DarthFennec said:
Well that pretty much IS what I'm saying. As for "getting in the way", well I explained that in reply to Fennec.Bags159 said:
You know, I think this entire argument is just the unwanted bastard child of a badly worded post. My bad :/
Hmm ... actually I think I do see what you mean now. I guess I agree, I mean that's exactly what happened to the Sonic fandom. Sonic used to be great at one point, the whole Nintendon't thing (best console war ever, by the way), but then some poor autistic furry fetishist blokes like Chris Chan and Guptill89 turned the whole fandom into trollbait. Yes, I agree, I think I would be angry if that happened to the bronies too, but it would be a very defeated sort of anger. If someone attracts that kind of troll attention, they're probably the kind of person who can't help it, so I wouldn't really be mad at them. I guess if it's going to happen, there's nothing we can really do about it. I think I'll just hope it doesn't, then, and not dwell on it.PoisonUnagi said:
... but wow, yeah that would really suck. I'd be very sad.
I don't. Someone's interested in something I'm not, more power to them, because I'm sure I have interests that others don't share as well. I'm much more intolerant of those who persecute others based on stereotypes instead of treating everyone as an individual.
Eh, a whole lot of us are socially maladjusted shut-ins who use the weird subculture as an excuse to be obnoxiously special. Those ones are special like a particularly weird smelling fart. The other ones that do it right are about as varied as any other person on the street, given that we're basically nerds that probably do have a higher kink-per-capita, so expect fetishes and geekyness. I guess that means that I consider furries to be kinky and nerdy, then. That's my opinion of furries. I think it's fun, though, if you do it right, otherwise you just come off as an autistic twelve year old, for lack of a better term.
(and some autistic twelve year olds can be pretty cool people, I guess, it's just that you tend to notice first that they are autistic twelve year olds, and then that they are pretty cool.)
(and some autistic twelve year olds can be pretty cool people, I guess, it's just that you tend to notice first that they are autistic twelve year olds, and then that they are pretty cool.)